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[Verchod]

Eh?, it was an amazing trailer, so different, so crazy looking.
It wasnt another Fortnite or COD, if thats your problem.

Is there another trailer then?

That just looked like they ripped off Alien and Prometheus for the entire style of it, in fact I thought that's what it was going to be. Thats not what I'd call original if you copy something else so blatantly.
I know nothing else about this game so maybe there is a lot more, but this trailer didn't help.

Also, I have no interest in COD or Fortnite. But this not being a frantic shooting game doesn't make it any more interesting, or original.

 

[RaySoft]

So you don't even know what they've shown, that bodes well.

Godfall.

Sony hasent shown anything actually.. It's only 3rd party's that have shown anything PS5 related as of yet.

 

[DrScissorsMD]

Sony hasent shown anything actually.. It's only 3rd party's that have shown anything PS5 related as of yet.

So your original response was “where are the games MS” but you’re now admitting Sony hasn’t shown anything either? Can’t wait for the ultra fast SSD so maybe you guys can think a bit faster and come up with some logical critiques.

 

[TheGreatYosh]

Kinda lame.

 

[manuvlad]

Ouch

 

[Kumomeme]

The XSX GPU is not too far off from a 2080 Ti, so...

i believe 2080ti is stronger than xsx gpu...unless this is 2080 or 2080 super

well, console had lower level api and the optimization surely on different level than pc....compared to pc, console can squeeze more of its hardware

 

[Gravemind]

delete

 

[Bo_Hazem]

So? Should we all rage when Sony shows third party games on the 10.3 TF PS5 knowing the XSX version will be 12.2 TF?

No. Who honestly cares at this point dude. This whole thread is just fanboy fodder, and you know it.

It's about being honest with the consumer. Personally, I will not appreciate it if Sony shows PC build of AC Valhalla to show it as PS5 gameplay without clearly saying it in the video that it's a PC build or simply (not running on a PS5 device/not representative of final PS5 visuals). That's why you don't see Quantum Error in the official PlayStation youtube channel, although meant to be PS5 exclusive (timed more likely).

Would I think XSX will perform close to 2080Ti? Yes (base clock).

 

[Gravemind]

It's about being honest with the consumer. Personally, I will not appreciate it if Sony shows PC build of AC Valhalla to show it as PS5 gameplay without clearly saying it the video that it's a PC build. That's why you don't see Quantum Error in the official PlayStation youtube channel, although meant to be PS5 exclusive (timed more likely).

Would I think XSX will perform close to 2080Ti? Yes (base clock).

I reconsidered my response before you posted your reply. After further thought, I do admit that it was dishonest. They should have recorded it on the XSX, or at least mentioned that it was recorded on PC.

I still dont think it's that big of a deal that it needed it's own thread however.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I reconsidered my response before you posted your reply. After further thought, I do admit that it was dishonest. They should have recorded it on the XSX, or at least mentioned that it was recorded on PC.

I still dont think it's that big of a deal that it needed it's own thread however.

I appreciate your honesty, dear friend. It's just for discussion. I do believe that messages and threads here do get the attention from both Sony and Microsoft. When they do something fishy they need to be called out, like many threads previously posted.

You see that Sony took notes and scrubbed the event lately according to rumors/leaks to only show gameplay running on PS5/dev-kit.

 

[Closer]

Ampere will just butcher RDNA 2 soon.

Yes, but 2080Ti is not Ampere.

 

[JerryinSoCal]

People acting upset about this should realize that at most E3's especially before a console launch the vast majority of the playable demos on the floor aren't running on dev kits they are running on approximated PC's. I don't think "final" dev kits are ready by E3 during a launch year and they also aren't as widely available as a PC, this really isn't anything new, the only new thing is MS making it clear on the video that the game isn't actually running on the hardware that their event was said to be showing off lol.

I don't know why Sony is going to be able to show games running on PS5 dev kits in June and an Unreal Engine 5 demo that was going to be shown in March but MS couldn't show things running on their dev kits in May? If it's true that they are both ready to start manufacturing very soon shouldn't that mean that dev kits should be further along at this point as well? How do you have final retail ready hardware but not for the dev kits?

 

[longdi]

As most people thought, Series X should perform nearer to 2080Ti and at least above 2080S.
Which is a mean console feat, i think many have under-estimated the Series X difference and will be pleasantly surprised.

No doubt MS has not done as well showing the next gen games, as they have with other areas of transparency.

AT least we will get surprised rather than underwhelmed from overhyped.

 

[martino]

People acting upset about this should realize that at most E3's especially before a console launch the vast majority of the playable demos on the floor aren't running on dev kits they are running on approximated PC's. I don't think "final" dev kits are ready by E3 during a launch year and they also aren't as widely available as a PC, this really isn't anything new, the only new thing is MS making it clear on the video that the game isn't actually running on the hardware that their event was said to be showing off lol.

I don't know why Sony is going to be able to show games running on PS5 dev kits in June and an Unreal Engine 5 demo that was going to be shown in March but MS couldn't show things running on their dev kits in May? If it's true that they are both ready to start manufacturing very soon shouldn't that mean that dev kits should be further along at this point as well? How do you have final retail ready hardware but not for the dev kits?

Have We seen an indy game running on ps5 ?
At this point is it that odd indies don't have them ?
Showing indy game early was not the Best move...

 

[Bernkastel]

and as it stands now it seems that there will be complete parity between PC and Series X versions of the game.

 

[Bernkastel]

A 2080 Ti is capable of 60 fps vs Xbox Series X 30 fps

Scorn will run on 60 fps in XSX

Scorn developer will only include ray-tracing if it doesn't sacrifice performance

The Xbox Series X exclusive Scorn may be a visual powerhouse for next-gen gaming, but the hardware-intensive ray-tracing lighting will only be included if it doesn’t sacrifice the game’s 60fps performance target. Scorn game director Ljubomir Peklar told us that, while the developer is currently...

mspoweruser.com

 

[sinnergy]

People acting upset about this should realize that at most E3's especially before a console launch the vast majority of the playable demos on the floor aren't running on dev kits they are running on approximated PC's. I don't think "final" dev kits are ready by E3 during a launch year and they also aren't as widely available as a PC, this really isn't anything new, the only new thing is MS making it clear on the video that the game isn't actually running on the hardware that their event was said to be showing off lol.

I don't know why Sony is going to be able to show games running on PS5 dev kits in June and an Unreal Engine 5 demo that was going to be shown in March but MS couldn't show things running on their dev kits in May? If it's true that they are both ready to start manufacturing very soon shouldn't that mean that dev kits should be further along at this point as well? How do you have final retail ready hardware but not for the dev kits?

Because it seems the rumored 2019 launch of PS5 seemed not so far fetched , and developers actually had dev kits longer than Series X. With 10 TF you can still create amazing games . It’s a huge step up from PS4.

 

[ToadMan]

I don't know why Sony is going to be able to show games running on PS5 dev kits in June and an Unreal Engine 5 demo that was going to be shown in March but MS couldn't show things running on their dev kits in May? If it's true that they are both ready to start manufacturing very soon shouldn't that mean that dev kits should be further along at this point as well? How do you have final retail ready hardware but not for the dev kits?

Well we now know that the PS5 isn’t limited by previous generation technology and the new tech enables a different form of game design. I think that’s why Sony are saying they want to show stuff running on PS5.

To put it another way, if a studio can demo something running on PC they plan to bring to PS5, then by definition that title isn’t using the full capabilities of the PS5 (in that demo at least) and Sony don’t want to show it.

Presumably MS don’t care about that - their titles are cross gen/platform anyway so it’s not like the Xsex is going to be able to do anything revolutionary.

 

[H . R . 2]

a 2080 Ti,eh?
I guess that's how XSX-PC parity is achieved

in their defence though, there was a disclaimer at the beginning of each trailer

 

[Roxkis_ii]

I think it's kind of telling when devs of one console are showing pc footage to put their put foot forward when showing their game, while the devs from another console are showing stuff running off a dev kit to show their best footage...

 

[Venom Snake]

Never saw a problem with that. Of course, as long as the framerate is conserved.

 

[Aidah]

Man, that Xbox event was such a fuck up.

"Come see the first Series X gameplay", but actually it's not Series X, and there's barely any actual gameplay.

 

[RaySoft]

So your original response was “where are the games MS” but you’re now admitting Sony hasn’t shown anything either? Can’t wait for the ultra fast SSD so maybe you guys can think a bit faster and come up with some logical critiques.

Oh man.. We know that Sony are gonna show the games in a few days, right? And we already know it's gonna me gameplay.
But fine, beat that dead horse. I'l retract all my comments and post ithem again in five days, since common sense is dead.

 

[Damigos]

I sense that lack of transparency from the Xbox One reveal

 

[pawel86ck]

It's about being honest with the consumer. Personally, I will not appreciate it if Sony shows PC build of AC Valhalla to show it as PS5 gameplay without clearly saying it in the video that it's a PC build or simply (not running on a PS5 device/not representative of final PS5 visuals). That's why you don't see Quantum Error in the official PlayStation youtube channel, although meant to be PS5 exclusive (timed more likely).

Would I think XSX will perform close to 2080Ti? Yes (base clock).

Can you find 2080ti running at stock clock 1545 MHz 13.4 TF?

On the left stock clock 1860 MHz and that's 16 TF.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Can you find 2080ti running at stock clock 1545 MHz 13.4 TF?

On the left stock clock 1860 MHz and that's 16 TF.

That's kinda scary then to use 2080Ti as a reference!

 

[nikolino840]

On steam the recommended requirements are much less than even a 2070 Super, I am thinking they are perhaps outdated, maybe the game has progressed quite a bit technically since it first was announced?

As far as this quote, I don't see an issue. Didn't we pretty much already know this?

I think reccomanded Is for 1080p 60fps in general

 

[nikolino840]

So without the software tricks like vrs or the architecture velocity to help the loading things

 

[megreotsugua]

MS smoke and mirrors and their lack of transparency as always.

 

[pawel86ck]

That's kinda scary then to use 2080Ti as a reference!

I'm not triggered like your reaction try to suggest. Thats how GPU boost works on 2080ti in reality. Please find me gameplay with stock 2080ti running at 1545 MHz.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I'm not triggered like your reaction try to suggest. Thats how GPU boost works on 2080ti in reality. Please find me gameplay with stock 2080ti running at 1545 MHz.

No, man, you misunderstood it. I'm triggered not you, didn't think it was that high on a base clock! Your post is 100% legit. I'm acknowledging here, not arguing. Thanks for your great input!

EDIT: Changed it to fire reaction just in case.

 

[Captain Hero]

That’s dumb tbh .. if you are not ready then why showing games with “ gameplay “ in this show ! .. I mean we got nothing from it other than the medium imo I liked it for the sake of silent hill

That inside Xbox Show was a mistake .. it was rush some games feel not completed .. so yes expect a lot of this

I wanna see the gameplay tho

 

[Senua]

No, man, you misunderstood it. I'm triggered not you, didn't think it was that high on a base clock! Your post is 100% legit. I'm acknowledging here, not arguing. Thanks for your great input!

EDIT: Changed it to fire reaction just in case.

I can't blame you for not knowing, so much shit is thrown about here due to platform wars, some of it ignorance and some of it trolling.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I can't blame you for not knowing, so much shit is thrown about here due to platform wars, some of it ignorance and some of it trolling.

It's then outrageous to use 2080Ti as a reference. Actually I kinda understand its price now, although I went for Radeon VII for productivity.

 

[M1chl]

if this is true that is pretty fucking stupid
sick and tired of dishonest marketing crap

Well it's bullshit, but that disclaimer was there you know, it's something...

 

[Kenpachii]

Lol so basically the trailer was bullshit.

 

[Spukc]

Well it's bullshit, but that disclaimer was there you know, it's something...

Yeah think they all started doing this after that killzone 2 fiasco.

Still it's shitty as hell. But hey most people get impressed by them so eh.

 

[TBiddy]

MS smoke and mirrors and their lack of transparency as always.

at least this thread is transparent about the “concern”.

 

[Clear]

I really don't know why this game is getting so much attention.

Technically its a fairly simplistic Unreal Engine example, sure the texture work and assets are detailed, but its hardly pushing the boat out in terms of dynamics. Animation ranges from decent to frankly, pretty stiff and unconvincing. Its a nothing-burger, even the art-style is unoriginal and objectively 40 odd years on from Giger's Necronomicon less than fresh.

 

[Bernkastel]

Man, that Xbox event was such a fuck up.

"Come see the first Series X gameplay", but actually it's not Series X, and there's barely any actual gameplay.

I guess you conveniently ignored when they said it is third party.

 

[Aidah]

I guess you conveniently ignored when they said it is third party.

The hell does that have to do with anything?

 

[Bernkastel]

The hell does that have to do with anything?

They said before the event that these are third party games.

 

[Aidah]

They said before the event that these are third party games.

So what? They also said come see the first Series X gameplay.

 

[Bernkastel]

So what? They also said come see the first Series X gameplay.

I dont think MS controls what companies like Ubisoft consider gameplay. Bright Memory Infinite and some other stuffs had real gameplay. Medium is a survival horror game inspired by Silent Hill, you wont see much fps like action gameplay, what you show on the trailer is how the game plays.

 

[Aidah]

I dont think MS controls what companies like Ubisoft consider gameplay. Bright Memory Infinite and some other stuffs had real gameplay. Medium is a survival horror game inspired by Silent Hill, you wont see much fps like actual gameplay, what you show on the trailer is how the game plays.

Microsoft controls the message and obviously they are aware of the content they're about to show.

 

[Bernkastel]

Microsoft controls the message and obviously they are aware of the content they're about to show.

They can ask Ubisoft to show gameplay but cant control what Ubisoft thinks is gameplay. They cant go "Hey Ubisoft your trailer is shit, we wont show it in our show".

 

[Aidah]

They can ask Ubisoft to show gameplay but cant control what Ubisoft thinks is gameplay. They cant go "Hey Ubisoft your trailer is shit, we wont show it in our show".

They control the message. When they say come see the first Series X gameplay, I expect to see the first Series X gameplay, not cinematic trailers and a bit of gameplay running on a PC.

If you don't have Series X gameplay, don't tell me to come see Series X gameplay. That's the fuck up. What don't you get?

 

[turtlepowa]

"Game and console in development; in-engine footage representative of expected Xbox Series X visual quality".

Nothing unusual here, typical marketing stuff. I mean Sony was not marketing the Pro with "90% of the games with fake 4k checkerboard rendering", they used "Gaming in 4K". That's how marketing works.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

They control the message. When they say come see the first Series X gameplay, I expect to see the first Series X gameplay, not cinematic trailers and a bit of game play running on a PC.

If you don't have Series X gameplay, don't tell me to come see Series X gameplay. That's the fuck up. What don't you get?

You seem upset.

I think we've already gone over this quite thoroughly over the past month.

 

[Jimmyisback]

Series X is the only next gen console to come closest to the 2080ti so I'm not surprised.