Mister Wolf
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Ubisoft had no problem doing it. Im sure Microsoft has more money and resources than them.
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At this point Xbox Series X games better blow everyone's minds!
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Ubisoft had no problem doing it. Im sure Microsoft has more money and resources than them.
ZywyPL
Banned
Yeah, IMO ~2023 is when the next-gen games will truly arrive, so far we saw nothing but PS4/XB1 games with 4K and RT effects, until the devs cut themselves from current-gen system and start putting all those 14 Zen2 threads to use there won't be anything mind-blowing we haven't already played, especially on PC.
"MUH CONSOLE OF CHOICE IS BETTER THAN YOUR CONSOLE OF CHOICE!!!" <-- that's how I see it, especially when the post history speaks for itself.
Tulipanzo
Member
Emm... ok?
These are far from my concerns alone, if that's what you're implying; their social media stats are far behind the competition, especially abroad.
Imo, they are going to improve things in July, but right now their efforts in showcasing next-gen games have been provably lackluster.
If it helps, I think HB2 was the right tease for December 2019, but you can't feed on that for 7 months.
OmegaSpear
Member
I want Xbox to do well but I don't see myself buying a Xbox Series X unless they show impressive games.
Sony
Nintendo
PlayStation is a far bigger brand wordwide than Xbox. Mostly due to historical footing. Expecting Xbox to win the social media campaign is nonsense and simply not possible.
too much eslim
Member
Be prepared to be pissed. I don't expect a blowout of both
TBiddy
Member
It's very obvious to see who's here to discuss and who's here to share their "concerns" about Microsofts next-gen output.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
abacab driver
Banned
Yikes..haters gettin' BIG mad.
I'll catch up with you all after the July event.
I'll catch up with you all after the July event.
WouldYouKindly
Banned
variety in the visuals in hellblade get outta here with you bullcrap.
At the very least i got to play it year before you on ps4. It was a good looking game. Not great or anything.
I could compare it more to detroid rather then finger us 2. You walk on a predestined path just like in detroid.
Gameplay is very little if any. Those fights were annoying as hell and the puzzles were a joke.
It was good for what it was . A hand hold tale with hand hold mechanics.
A plagues tale shits all over this game as far as visuals and variety in location goes.
Did you play and finished the game???? I want to see proof.
Here is mine
How you not gonna platinum it tho i wish I had that self control to leave a easy ass game like that on 90%
GymWolf
Member
What ubisoft game is totally different from his next gen counterpart?
Any major cuts in physics, destruction, level design, ia or stuff on screen?? Because this are the differences that people hope to see in the next gen halo compared to old gen halo.
If you are talking about black flag, that game was merely a graphic update if i remember well.
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Tulipanzo
Member
You very much should expect them to win, or at least do better, when they're launching a similar product, sold to a similar market, within the same time-frame, and around the same price-point.
"But MS is less popular" is exactly the problem, they need to work to improve that, but haven't.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Watch the video I posted. Features cuts to physics.
WouldYouKindly
Banned
I'm honestly just afraid they are going to spend to much time on halo. I get its their must have big ass game but I need to see more if they want me to jump in day one (I've already decided I'll get one first year) if shit like cup head gets revealed thats a plus I personally liked we happy few so whatever compulsion is up to would be great as well.
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Tulipanzo
Member
Wow, memes do well? I had no idea!
Seriously though, this is an astoundingly ignorant view of how social media functions.
Tulipanzo
Member
It's also easy to see who's here to say everything is perfect and pretend nothing needs to be fixed at all...
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They do... Microsoft has by far made the biggest push to be more pro consumer. The only thing Sony currently has in their favour is their output of games (which is still the most important part of course). But let's not pretend like Microsoft has not been pushing to become more popular when they launch stuff like Play Anywhere, Game Pass, custom made game controllers, pro game controllers, the most powerful hardware (One X and now XSX).
People are just very loyal to their brand, and even IF Microsoft would have the same output of games as Sony they would still be outsold by them.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
No, it means people are very good at doing something that requires minimal effort. Clicking like on a post doesn't mean that person will buy the game in the post. Likewise, ignoring a post doesn't mean the person won't buy the game.
Plus this metric only works for "certain people" when its in their favour. For example, Sony PS5 YouTube views? Best thing in the world, nothing can touch it, all hail HypnoCerny. But the Halo audio without even a title hitting over 2m views in a few hours? Nah, its shit, waste of time.
In short, its all bollocks. Twitter likes and youtube likes mean fuck all. Sales don't mean a product is good. And don't even get me started on reviews. Just like what you want based on your own preference, don't wait for a like meter to tell you if you should or not.
SleepDoctor
Banned
So much "concern" in Xbox threads lately lol.
Screenshot wars of in engine trailers, really? I mean at least use R & C that actually showed gameplay and looked good.
Sony didn't set the bar very high. A long predictable and rumored Horizon 2 which looked good "in engine" but not mind blowing. Spiderman spinoff, DS remake, and R & C. The rest was third party and indies.
The only exclusive we got gameplay from was R & C. Yet nothing looked like a "mind blowing" generational leap. And all those ssd promises were all "fud". It was just fast loading that we got in the end.
MS just has to show some interesting new ips and keep their 4k/60fps word. That alone is a step in the right direction for them from this gen.
Screenshot wars of in engine trailers, really? I mean at least use R & C that actually showed gameplay and looked good.
Sony didn't set the bar very high. A long predictable and rumored Horizon 2 which looked good "in engine" but not mind blowing. Spiderman spinoff, DS remake, and R & C. The rest was third party and indies.
The only exclusive we got gameplay from was R & C. Yet nothing looked like a "mind blowing" generational leap. And all those ssd promises were all "fud". It was just fast loading that we got in the end.
MS just has to show some interesting new ips and keep their 4k/60fps word. That alone is a step in the right direction for them from this gen.
Rolla
Banned
Phil Spencer saying that the difference wont be visual is down to one thing. The Last Of Us 2. He knows they haven't created something that can fuck with it so his statements now are about tempering expectations.
Phil went from "Power Power Power!!!" to "The differences visually will be minute."
He has to show gameplay and he has to show first party gameplay and history shows that that's a double edged sword for XBOX so he's back tracking.
The key issue for XBOX is that they're building games primarily to run on a service which is why their games look so sterile.
Phil went from "Power Power Power!!!" to "The differences visually will be minute."
He has to show gameplay and he has to show first party gameplay and history shows that that's a double edged sword for XBOX so he's back tracking.
The key issue for XBOX is that they're building games primarily to run on a service which is why their games look so sterile.
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The Hamburglar
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Id say the same thing to that as well. Look at devil may cry 5 cut scenes are in engine but the gameplay doesn’t look as good.
Kokoloko85
Member
Is that supposed to be impressive for a next gen game??
This is spiderman on ps4
You really choose the game who look like a ps4 game with a ps5 patch...
I think they are more impressive than people say. But Spider man probably isnt the best example
GymWolf
Member
The square new project was the best "real" gameplay of the event.
Of course it's square so we are gonna see the game by the end of ps5 life cycle, but still...
Ratchet looked a little better than black spiderman matter, but still not in a "wow i can't believe what i'm seeing" realm imo.
The only thing really next gen was the portal gimmick.
GymWolf
Member
Yeah horizon 2 is a better example than ghetto spiderman.
Tulipanzo
Member
No, it's not all bollock, you just have no idea how it works.
Your first mistake is using very few data points and pretending to get sales out of it 1:1.
No, not everyone who clicks on a link will buy a game, but an event breaking Youtube records for views it's still notable of high interest in the platform. Across Instagram, Youtube, Facebook, and Twitter, we've seen generally far more interest for Sony, given comparable information on the same platforms.
Second of all, you're mixing up metrics.
2.8M views on Twitter is impressive, but the more relevant info on that site is likes and retweets. That teaser still has done well, but comparing it with Youtube views is amateurish. You're better off studying engagement and reach beyond the established audience for Tweets. Again, this has done well there: even though I don't follow Halo, it still showed up on my feed.
Ultimately, while you shun using basically any means of commenting on console launches (sales, social media stats, reviews...), these are still very useful in understanding how well or poorly a marketing campaign is doing, if you know how to read data.
Everything is down to interpretation, but you are refusing messing up how to use it, pretending social media stats should reflect hw sales, which should then reflect quality. It all feels very defensive and desperate, when you're posting in a marketing discussion thread...
SleepDoctor
Banned
Project Athia you mean? It looked interesting no lie, but tbh i don't like any square games. At least I can't remember the last one I liked.
But yea, nothing has been mind blowing as far as graphics. Nothing gave you the "wow" moment like KZ: SF or Ryse.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Funny how likes didn’t matter until recently, what was the catalyst I wonder...? Same as power, that used to be the be all end all...
There’s a connection here I’m just not seeing it...?
There’s a connection here I’m just not seeing it...?
Kokoloko85
Member
I think there gonna come up with the goods and come heavy.
They have been talking about games and there new studios for like 3 years and will want to shock and impressive everyone.
Im expecting
Fable.
Another classic sequel or remake: like state of decay
A JRPG
and 3-4 other big MS Studio AAA games.
Plus some 3rd party exclusives
Xbox done many of these during the 360 era like Ace combat 6 and Katamari, Dance dance, which were known as playstation exclusives at the time.
They have been talking about games and there new studios for like 3 years and will want to shock and impressive everyone.
Im expecting
Fable.
Another classic sequel or remake: like state of decay
A JRPG
and 3-4 other big MS Studio AAA games.
Plus some 3rd party exclusives
Xbox done many of these during the 360 era like Ace combat 6 and Katamari, Dance dance, which were known as playstation exclusives at the time.
sircaw
Banned
I think Fable has the biggest chance to shine. It's really under the radar atm, and if its got really good in depth rpg systems and good combat mechanics it could really steal the show.
There are bigger games than it but if i was a betting Fish it would be my dark horse.
Looking really forward to it.
There are bigger games than it but if i was a betting Fish it would be my dark horse.
Looking really forward to it.
Rolla
Banned
Vasto
Halo Infinite - Dying IP
Everwild - Looks like SOT, Bleeding Egde yet another cartoony game built for streaming from the E/F/G team
Project Mora - A stair case in CGI
Hellblade 2 - CGI no gameplay shown
Flight Simulator - Traditionally PC
Age Of Empires 4 - Traditionally PC
If you check the stats metrics, the following games have minimal interest due to XBOX's abysmal showing/event and most are timed exclusives
The Medium
The Accent
Scorn
Call Of The Sea
Second Extinction
Bright Memory Infinite
Gears Tactics - Didn't make NPD in XBOX's strongest territory and never showed up on any game sales chart outside of North America. Average players in the last 30 days on steam is 219
SleepDoctor
Banned
Honestly my biggest hope is for Fable. I absolutely loved those games.
I wonder if we can maybe see a revival of Left 4 Dead. Was another great game that was a lot of fun.
At this point its like Sony has been just single player focused and MS will continue its multiplayer focus. Perfectly fine for those who keep sticking with both consoles.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
The jump so far on PS5 is great, but you need healthy vision, 4K screen, and sincere mindset to acknowledge it.
Tulipanzo
Member
People are actually not that loyal at all, and easily switch betwen platforms.
Those initiatives are commendable, but clearly have been insufficient in making them relevant worldwide.
The way I see it, a lot of those decisions mostly benefit people who are already willing to invest a lot in XBox.
I owned an OG X1, but didn't like it that much, so why would I buy a more expensive version? Or a more expensive custom controller? Or subscribe to extra services to get games I can have on a platform I like better?
Again, these are still very good initiatives, but they don't expand to beyond your existing userbase, as we've seen this gen (MS's hardware and user counts being pretty flat).
They've desperately needed games since the late 7th gen, but their output has not improved. If anything, no exclusives for one to two years (a comment they still refuse to clarify) makes this launch already less appealing than their last, game-wise.
GymWolf
Member
Oh yeah athia is probably gonna be a mediocre game like almost everything from modern square, but technically it looked solid as fuck.
Horizon 2 kinda had that wow moment in some scenes but the total lack of pure gameplay dampened his impact imo.
Also the face on new aloy looks kinda strange, almost cartoony, i was hoping for a more realistic style this time, her face doesn't look better or more realistic than ellie in tlou2.
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Tulipanzo
Member
Is that still developed by Playground?
Fable is probably their best bet at getting attention, as RPGs are big right now, but closing down Lionhead to farm it to whoever is available has me worried.
sircaw
Banned
I remember playing left for dead a long time ago, i think it was on steam with friends. IT was actually a blast to play. Could never understand why they never made another one.
Although it would not be on my personal list, i am not into mp anymore in my old age but i can see it being popular and a little gem if it was realised.
I am afraid though its going to be like one of those Half life 3, will it ever be released moments.
martino
Member
i know why in my case because for killzone /ryse it was long sequence with long part being gameplay
SleepDoctor
Banned
Im hoping we get something out of left field. I was hoping Sony had some kind of surprise but they played it safe.
Alloy looked good imo but can't really judge till I see some actual gameplay. Hoped the coop rumors turned out to be true but i guess not.
I want to see some new ips that nobody knows about.
Sony
Nintendo
That's an impossible target. You simply can't expect them to win. To 'playstation' is a verb in many parts of the world, synonymous with gaming.
Let's talk about popularity. At the start of the Xbox 360/ PS3 Generation
- Xbox 360 launched a year before PS3
- Xbox 360 launched in more areas than PS3 did
- Xbox 360 was cheaper than PS3
- Xbox 360 had objectively better multiplatform games than PS3 for a good year or 2 after PS3 launched
- The PS3's worse multiplatform performances plagued enthousiast forums, creating a narrative of Sony is doomed
- Xbox 360 had an in-game XMB, while it took PS3 to get that functionality (without custom music) 1.5 years after being launched
It's highly unlikely that the advantage Microsoft had over Sony at the start of the 360/PS3 gen will ever occur again. Yet, despite all those factors, the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 on a monthly basis worldwide.
That's why I personally think that regardless of performance differences, specs and price, the PS5 will outsell the Series X by a wide margin. It doesn't matter how good an Xbox product is, there is (and will be for the forseeable generations) a target audience that will get PS over Xbox no matter what.
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SleepDoctor
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Yea there's no L4D 3 coming but I believe the devs are working on a spiritual successor called Bad Blood or something like that.
Coop was so much fun on that. When people weren't working together, we'd sacrifice them to the zombies lol.
martino
Member
SirTerry-T
Member
Lots of the Blue team looking forward to the July show by the looks of it?!!?
sircaw
Banned
I think it is playground that's doing it. I am not worried about the looks or the quality of the production, play ground is one of the best studios out there, however it is a far cry from the usual type of game that they normally create.
Its like writing stories, Just because your good at writing Science fiction stories does not mean your going to be a good at writing an erotic story.. The prose will still be great no doubt but it is a bit out of their comfort zone.
Saying that, their pedigree as a studio is immense, so if someone can pull it off i think it could be then.
Fingers crossed.
GymWolf
Member
sircaw
Banned
I hope the coop rumors are not true
Also it's aloy, not
Maybe after she defeats Hades, she will get a full metal suit upgrade.
And a name upgrade, just saying
Krisprolls
Banned
They don't get PS "no matter what", they do it because exclusives have been constantly better for years. I could buy a Xbox instead, but I need MS to make better games than Sony for at least several years, which never happened in my opinion.