"Worse"? Nice troll.Yeah, but why would the price jump to $500 in your prediction? Prices went doen between 960 and 970 generation despite improvements, which again shows a mass market solution works better than a proprietary one.
The one advantage SeX has is that its SSD is worse than PS5's, but I could buy a 950 Pro drive today that'll likely work on MS's system.
So I am looking at what I will be doing for my next gen console (I am getting both) an I'm looking at what I can do with adding additional SSD to the PS5, and it's looking like it's going to cost maybe $500 for an SSD that will get the tick from Sony. Is Sony also going to do a version themselves, because it this point the memory upgrade dreams are feeling a little wonky.
There has to be a reasonable solution to this.
I actually think the XSX card will be cheaper at this point, as Sony is really only going to approve SSDs that are over 7gbs as I can see.
You’re acting like transferring games between drives is not a thing at all. You can always move stuff to primary ssd for all the blazing fast speed. What else is your concern here?"Worse"? Nice troll.
When SSDs come out at 7.0gbs speed they will be at a premium. Then the particular drive that will fit in the bay, and meets other Sony criteria, the choice might not be a good as you think, and then expect to pay a premium.
Not only that, but some people wont be able to fit the new drive themselves and will have to pay someone to do it.
Now if I was trolling like you, I could say because the PS5 SSD expansion isnt plug and play it's a worse SSD.
But I won't because that's stupid to say something like that.
How is worse a troll? It's slower, which for a device whose purpose is to move data makes it worse."Worse"? Nice troll.
When SSDs come out at 7.0gbs speed they will be at a premium. Then the particular drive that will fit in the bay, and meets other Sony criteria, the choice might not be a good as you think, and then expect to pay a premium.
Not only that, but some people wont be able to fit the new drive themselves and will have to pay someone to do it.
Now if I was trolling like you, I could say because the PS5 SSD expansion isnt plug and play it's a worse SSD.
But I won't because that's stupid to say something like that.
I agree, and thats what I will most likely do. We are talking about the price for those people who want to upgrade.You’re acting like transferring games between drives is not a thing at all. You can always move stuff to primary ssd for all the blazing fast speed. What else is your concern here?
If I was to say the PS5 is worse than the XSX because it has less performance than the XSX then that's ok?How is worse a troll? It's slower, which for a device whose purpose is to move data makes it worse.
Thing is, SSDs will be pricey."Worse"? Nice troll.
When SSDs come out at 7.0gbs speed they will be at a premium. Then the particular drive that will fit in the bay, and meets other Sony criteria, the choice might not be a good as you think, and then expect to pay a premium.
Not only that, but some people wont be able to fit the new drive themselves and will have to pay someone to do it.
Now if I was trolling like you, I could say because the PS5 SSD expansion isnt plug and play it's a worse SSD.
But I won't because that's stupid to say something like that.
It looks like the most affordable option is just gonna be to buy an external HDD and just transfer games over to the SSD when you wanna play them.
That comment would require clarification, mainly because of technical minutiaes.If I was to say the PS5 is worse than the XSX because it has less performance than the XSX then that's ok?
Nah, it would be trolling.
You were trolling.
You could have said "slower" which is correct. Worse was used to troll.That comment would require clarification, mainly because of technical minutiaes.
To make it easier, if you said "the Pro's GPU is worse than X1X's" than you'd be correct.
Similarly, the SeX's SSD at 2.4GB/s is objectively worse than the PS5's at 5.5GB/s by a factor of 2.
Sony's solution here though is patently better: allowing use of third party devices means prices go down faster over time, and tech improvements are immediately accessible. I mean, you can get a 8TB Sata SSD and put it in your PS3.This is the way forward for 90% of us. I was checking the other day on my Pro. It comes with a 1TB drive and I get 827GB usable space and Destiny 2, RDR2, Division 2 and GTA V gobble that up really quick. If you calculate on the same ratio - usable space being 83% of raw space then it's looking like 685GB usable, then you have things like the capture gallery and save data. You can be conservative here and say 10GB if you're not a big video recorder. Plus you will have people shifting their back catalogue to the system as they get rid of their old consoles but use BC.
I'm bracing for these drives to be expensive, Ill guess they start at 256GB. This argument is stupid and most people are playing dumb. Most games are not played through and done with in a month any more. More and more titles are lasting longer, or becoming GaaS oriented so you can't just delete them and re-add without a masisve download again or shifting games round.
I'd be intrigued to see that data they used for the analysis, because I'm betting for most people they just have COD and FIFA and maybe one other game, which will by far the overwhelming majority. Or Siege and Destiny. But for people who play a lot of different games then the supposed sizes are measly. But obviously Sony's is looking daft.
For me personally, I'll just download all my games (digital only) to slower external storage then move them back and forth until it becomes too much of a headache. But this depends on how well the MS reveals etc go
No, it's just worse, since data transfer is the only thing it does.You could have said "slower" which is correct. Worse was used to troll.
You know it.
Sony's solution here though is patently better: allowing use of third party devices means prices go down faster over time, and tech improvements are immediately accessible. I mean, you can get a 8TB Sata SSD and put it in your PS3.
Sony is in a more awkward spot rn, because it's drive it's pretty much better than anything else you can buy atm, while you could buy an SSD that'll work on SeX today.
The drives in the 980 class or higher will be expensive. I don't doubt that. The 1TB 970 Evo Plus was around $300 on sale, when I got mine last year. I would expect Samsung drives to continue to be class leaders in this next iteration of drives too, so I don't know how much we can expect prices to scale. I guess a lot of that will hinge on how many units Sony can sell, and how much the enterprise businesses get on board. On paper, the i/o gains look substantial, but is there architecture on the enterprise side that will make the switch up a worthwhile upgrade over a 970 Pro? I don't have an answer for that. Hopefully prices can drop faster than they did with the 970 class NVME drives.What's the point of discussing prices of NVMe M2. PCIe 4.0 SSD with read speeds above 5.5GB/s if you aren't even going to try to source prices for upcoming SSD's that meet or exceed those specs? https://www.anandtech.com/show/15352/ces-2020-samsung-980-pro-pcie-40-ssd-makes-an-appearance
A 1TB EVO 970 is 100 to 180 dollars at the moment so why in the world would you expect the next gen SSD to be 3 to 4 times as much?
OP directly compares the two in his post, so really the discussion is around both. Complaining one drive might cost more because it is better is pretty silly. It's an optional upgrade to keep stuff downloaded, and fixed by swapping games off an externa HDD/SSD or just keeping fewer games at one time. It's hardly an unsolvable problem, especially as drives go down in price over time.No-one is arguing about better. This is a thread about Sony SSD not Xbox so I'm just going to ignore any console warring about them.
The OP is talking about price point and affordability. Until the SSD prices are cheap, then only morons or those with large disposable incomes are going to buy extra storage instead of using the more cost effective solution of just a standard external drive and transferring games.
I also think it's stupid to say PS5 owners need to expand their special SSD to run 3rd party titles, when they run fine on standard SSD with PC/XsX. You hit the nail on the head tbh, anti-consumer
It looks like the most affordable option is just gonna be to buy an external HDD and just transfer games over to the SSD when you wanna play them.
nah.. you forget the PS5 SSD will be only 825GB + dont forget the OS + save files taking up some space as well.
At best, maybe 4-5 games if they follow the 100gb logic.
Jesus Christ, the mods on here are shockingly bad. I posted one comment about Xbox and got a warning + the mods idea of a funny tag line under my name to report me, yet this kind of garbage comment is allowed?XSX SD card will be more expensive as there is only 1 supplier...See I can post silly stuff as well as OP.
Xplainin is sure concerned about Ps5 prices,. but never about XSX prices
Oh the concern about prices unanounced...what to do, oh no !
It looks like the most affordable option is just gonna be to buy an external HDD and just transfer games over to the SSD when you wanna play them.
Mods here are in my opinion excellent, they don't have time to read all threads and posts, if you feel something is out of line, use the report functionality.Jesus Christ, the mods on here are shockingly bad. I posted one comment about Xbox and got a warning + the mods idea of a funny tag line under my name to report me, yet this kind of garbage comment is allowed?
This is my plan too, will add external HDD or SSD, until something for the extension slot is affordable.It looks like the most affordable option is just gonna be to buy an external HDD and just transfer games over to the SSD when you wanna play them.
Depends on what is on the SSD "card". If there are only the chips without cache and without a controller, it can be a lot cheaper. If they reuse the controller of the xbox. If the sticks contain a controller it will be more expensive, but much less difficult for most consumers to expand it.XSX SD card will be more expensive as there is only 1 supplier...See I can post silly stuff as well as OP.
Xplainin is sure concerned about Ps5 prices,. but never about XSX prices
Oh the concern about prices unanounced...what to do, oh no !
A PS5 'certified' SSD will be expensive because of its speed.
A Series X 'certified' is proprietary. If past Microsoft Xbox accessory pricing is any indication, the Series X external SSD's will also be quite expensive.
I'm really surprised with Microsoft's approach by the way. They have very good read/write speeds by todays standars, but nothing unachavieable by third party SDD's a year or two down the line.
They should have kept the SSD expansion generic, not proprietary, especially after all the external storage options they added to Xbox 360 and Xbox One.
I Play 2-3 simoultaneously at MAX so I am all set.You should be able to fit 7-8 100GB games on it before needing to worry about space. How many do you often play at once?
OP directly compares the two in his post, so really the discussion is around both. Complaining one drive might cost more because it is better is pretty silly. It's an optional upgrade to keep stuff downloaded, and fixed by swapping games off an externa HDD/SSD or just keeping fewer games at one time. It's hardly an unsolvable problem, especially as drives go down in price over time.
We should not forget just how special the SSD is in the PS5. It is all that has been talked about since the reveal.
This revolutionary piece of pure magic is going to transform game development and assure that high res textures and assets are exclusive to the PS5. This is what everyone has been claiming also.
Awesomeness of this calibre doesn't come cheap. Expecting a higher price is a given if the SSD is going to do everything that everyone is stating. Not concern trolling, just aligning expectations with claims.
Jesus Christ, the mods on here are shockingly bad. I posted one comment about Xbox and got a warning + the mods idea of a funny tag line under my name to report me, yet this kind of garbage comment is allowed?
Dear oh dear, I see the rise of the new SJW, triggered at the mere mention of a negative aspect of your favourite console.
biggest save ive seen is nba2k at 5GBs my career data, but thats an outlier most games have very small saves lol.Are the save files 100GB each too?
7-8 games sounds much more likely and that’s if they reach 100GB each.
biggest save ive seen is nba2k at 5GBs my career data, but thats an outlier most games have very small saves lol.
Jesus Christ, the mods on here are shockingly bad. I posted one comment about Xbox and got a warning + the mods idea of a funny tag line under my name to report me, yet this kind of garbage comment is allowed?
Your comment makes it sound as if Sony is going with a proprietary solution, while actually MS is.More competition/neutralisation will lower prices. Proprietary is always higher. Remember vita cards? Certification and accreditation is one of the most corrupt ways to drive up prices just to have a 'compatible with...' sticker because it's been tested and then licensed etc.
You're not contextualising the difference properly. Available usable space on the XsX means an upgrade won't be needed as quick. If we use the 83% for continuity then you have an extra 120gb which is prob one extra GaaS or a couple of smaller games. So the cost will loom larger for those on PS5. And it will depend on the difference in price - again just like vita cards compared to microSD cards. So it's arguably more of a concern. I'm guessing as well they will need to be sold in the 12 channel variants so you won't have as much scope to pick up a 'cheaper, smaller' drive.
Microsoft went with we'll give you the same as last gen with better performance
Sony went with we'll give you less than last gen with better performance
I don't think we disagree, I think you just gloss over a lot more because it's Sony, whereas I'm more prone to still buy a PS5 but accept certain things as being shit but not really caring about calling them out. For me, I won't be buying an expensive SSD, I think 700GB usable is awful - but I'm not screaming about it until we see if these space savings in games are actually realised.
Here is the EVO 970 for $180 not $300The drives in the 980 class or higher will be expensive. I don't doubt that. The 1TB 970 Evo Plus was around $300 on sale, when I got mine last year. I would expect Samsung drives to continue to be class leaders in this next iteration of drives too, so I don't know how much we can expect prices to scale. I guess a lot of that will hinge on how many units Sony can sell, and how much the enterprise businesses get on board. On paper, the i/o gains look substantial, but is there architecture on the enterprise side that will make the switch up a worthwhile upgrade over a 970 Pro? I don't have an answer for that. Hopefully prices can drop faster than they did with the 970 class NVME drives.
So I am looking at what I will be doing for my next gen console (I am getting both) an I'm looking at what I can do with adding additional SSD to the PS5, and it's looking like it's going to cost maybe $500 for an SSD that will get the tick from Sony. Is Sony also going to do a version themselves, because it this point the memory upgrade dreams are feeling a little wonky.
There has to be a reasonable solution to this.
I actually think the XSX card will be cheaper at this point, as Sony is really only going to approve SSDs that are over 7gbs as I can see.
So I am looking at what I will be doing for my next gen console (I am getting both) an I'm looking at what I can do with adding additional SSD to the PS5, and it's looking like it's going to cost maybe $500 for an SSD that will get the tick from Sony. Is Sony also going to do a version themselves, because it this point the memory upgrade dreams are feeling a little wonky.
There has to be a reasonable solution to this.
I actually think the XSX card will be cheaper at this point, as Sony is really only going to approve SSDs that are over 7gbs as I can see.
It could be this gens RROD.
Your comment makes it sound as if Sony is going with a proprietary solution, while actually MS is.
While I'm actually comparing available info, you're completely fabricating a "racket" of certification, when we've had 15 years on HDDs without that happening.
There's no reason for Sony to not certify something when they aren't making it, while MS is straight up prohibiting access to any drives but theirs, despite again their SSD solution being worse.
Both are offering more space than last gen, and while I agree I and others will need more space, third party drives are obviously a smarter and more pro-consumer solution. I'd also point out that Cerny already said they won't need 12-channel access, but they'll have to be faster than 5.5GB/s so maybe do some research.
Here is the EVO 970 for $180 not $300
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and it's not on sale and it's 1TB. Some people are hell bent on downplaying the PS5 for some reason.
Microsoft solution is a partnership with Seagate. Seeing as though Seagate is currently the only manufacture I'm sure there is a price point Microsoft had them agree to. I wouldn't be surprised if it came between $149-$199.
The accreditation process makes Sony no money. It'll be as little as a blog post with supported drives (as it is right now for HDDs).Depends how you frame it. If you can only use drives which are accredited/Sony approved, it's pretty much limiting what you can choose. The accreditation makes ir proprietary by nature (not the tech or components). This isn't just consoles by the way, this is the same as any hardware accreditation nonsense. Similar to how you can't use normal BT headphones on PS4. Yeah, MS has gone the route of the old 360 drives (was it?), that you slotted on the side? MS had those drives at premium and Sony had Vita cards at premium. I think if you're expecting better hardware at lower prices, you're expecting too much. Just write it out
500GB SSD 2.4GB
500GB SSD 5.5+GB
That's why I said 'I guess' flippantly. It's not the case, no big deal is it?
So, XSX is cheaper than the SSD chips in Ps5 with 12 lanes because ps5 performs better. Sounds well calculated and thought out post.
And no idea what you rant about exclusive stuff is, show us who is claiming that. Links ? Thats called a strawman argument by the way if you did not know.
Since you seem to be so certain of it, I am bookmarking it for when the price of Xbox Series X expansion card and PS5 certified NVMe drives are revealed.XSX SD card will be more expensive as there is only 1 supplier...See I can post silly stuff as well as OP.
Xplainin is sure concerned about Ps5 prices,. but never about XSX prices
Oh the concern about prices unanounced...what to do, oh no !
Talking about the SSD. Isn't the claim that this thing can outperform anything on the market? If so would that not add an expectancy of heightened cost no? I don't know what it is like in dole queue doser paradise Newcastle, but everywhere else, highest performers or better spec'd equipment no matter what are nearly always accompanied by a higher cost.
You yourself have claimed many times that the SSD in the PS5 will enable the highest res textures and assets. Your post history is available to anyone bored enough to look at your deranged fanboy ramblings. Plus many others on here say or imply the same things. No need to name and shame, just go into any next gen thread.... Especially the plethora on SSDs in particular.
Since you seem to be so certain of it, I am bookmarking it for when the price of Xbox Series X expansion card and PS5 certified NVMe drives are revealed.