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[IntentionalPun]

Deaths trail hospitalizations which trail cases...

We saw a surge in cases.. then.. low and behold, shortly after, a surge in hospitalizations.. and low in behold.. deaths are then going to go up.

Since.. you know.. you get sick.. then you get real sick.. then you might die.

But we also already absolutely RAVAGED our elderly population in places like NY/NJ (literally 10s of thousands of deaths) and at least are being far more careful there. So deaths should HOPEFULLY not go up too much as we've learned to protect the elderly care homes at least a bit better.

However, ICUs are filling up in the hot spots... and that could happen ANYWHERE there is a surge.. hence the MASK WEARING and shutdowns. It's preventative.. to prevent what is absolutely positivively happening in Florida/Texas and Arizona right now.

It's fucking insane to me how many people think this is some conspiracy. Get a fucking grip. We fucked up with locking down too late, opening too early, all because of the science denying assholes... fuck right on off. If you'd listened to reason in the first place and reacted like other countries did, we COULD BE opening up more now.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[AV]

Coronavirus: Data shows cases in England falling

Two reports charting coronavirus show cases in England falling - with Leicester also seeing a fall.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[IntentionalPun]

It's poorly worded but the point is people's lungs are still being destroyed, brains are becoming inflamed, etc.

10's of thousands of people going to ICUs for days/weeks at a time is not something to take lightly and ignore.

We should be happy less people are dying, but statistically that's mostly due to abject failures to protect our elderly who died by the 10s of thousands. Perhaps "don't take too much comfort" would be better wording, but the point is pretty obvious.. people are being absolutely fucked by this.. physically, financially, etc.

 

[prag16]

No, We've been through this before, and this is basic proven science. Of course masks and isolation work. We've seen it work in the past, and we're literally, this moment, as I type this, seeing it work in other countries.

It's frightening the types of antiscience some people are willing to believe. Please be safe to yourself and others: wear a mask, wash your hands. It's not a huge inconvenience.

Bullshit. The idea of draconian lockdowns of this kind was completely unheard of, and as the post you replied to indicated, that was not limited to people outside the scientific community. Same thing with masks outside of a few countries. It really is astounding how quickly the powers that be were able to shape perception on this. Both the size and the speed of this particular move made by the Overton Window is completely unprecedented.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Bullshit. The idea of draconian lockdowns of this kind was completely unheard ofunprecedented.

So were ICUs overflowing with patients in entire regions.

So... unprecedented epidermic = unprecedented response.

And actually.. it's not even really unprecedented, as we went through this with the Spanish flu.

'A breaking point': Anti-lockdown efforts during Spanish flu offer a cautionary tale for coronavirus

Opposition to public health directives forced some cities to roll back orders too quickly.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[ManaByte]

10's of thousands of people going to ICUs for days/weeks at a time is not something to take lightly and ignore.

Counties are doing a good job telling the truth about the ICU. The Media is lying it's corrupt ass off about it.

Here in CA, specifically my county, the ICU is almost full. But it's not full of COVID. COVID only accounts for 15% of the ICU cases here.. The people filling up ICUs right now are those with serious health conditions who COULDN'T GO TO THE HOSPITAL due to the lockdowns. Now they can and they're in the ICU because their conditions worsened being locked in their houses.

But the Media isn't telling people that. Instead they're lying and omitting that fact to scare people into accepting another lockdown until November 4th.

 

[prag16]

So were ICUs overflowing with patients in entire regions.

So... unprecedented epidermic = unprecedented response.

And actually.. it's not even really unprecedented, as we went through this with the Spanish flu.

'A breaking point': Anti-lockdown efforts during Spanish flu offer a cautionary tale for coronavirus

Opposition to public health directives forced some cities to roll back orders too quickly.

www.nbcnews.com

Nowhere in the US did hospitals get overrun. NYC came pretty close, but it didn't happen. We were told we'd be stacking bodies in the hallways, with rivers of blood running through the streets. This never came close to happening. And as you say, the lockdown occurred too late to be the true explanation for why this state of affairs didn't come to be. In fact when you account for lag caused by incubation period and reporting, many places were already peaking or had already peaked at the time of the lockdown. Mask mandates basically everywhere came well after things had declined significantly. The Spanish Flu is all you got, fine, it's not completely irrelevant, but it's worth noting that most places still lacked indoor plumbing, and we were all, especially in the cities, still doused in each other's shit 24/7.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Counties are doing a good job telling the truth about the ICU. The Media is lying it's corrupt ass off about it.

Here in CA, specifically my county, the ICU is almost full. But it's not full of COVID. COVID only accounts for 15% of the ICU cases here.. The people filling up ICUs right now are those with serious health conditions who COULDN'T GO TO THE HOSPITAL due to the lockdowns. Now they can and they're in the ICU because their conditions worsened being locked in their houses.

But the Media isn't telling people that. Instead they're lying and omitting that fact to scare people into accepting another lockdown until November 4th.

Dude... of COURSE it's not 100% Covid.. nobody is lying about that.

Our entire health care system is built on PREDICTABLE disease. We have a really good idea of how many people are going to get cancer/lung disease/etc. every year. We can predict pretty well how many ICU beds are needed, how many will die, etc. People watch these stats to spot trends/changes. You don't build a ton of hospitals to have them sit empty waiting for a pandemic, you build hospitals based on changing stats and leave a bit of room for the unknown.

When something comes along that didn't exist a year before, that is instantly in the top 5 causes of deaths / hospitalizations that totally fucks up that system it causes the MAJOR ISSUES we are seeing today.

OF COURSE it's only 15-20% COVID patients... because we designed our hospital systems to have a ~15-20% (or some other number) overage to ensure we don't run out of beds, but don't have massive costs of having too many empty hospitals.

It's the same with how many doctors/nurses we employ.

What you are saying is basically.

"IT TURNS OUT THAT RIVER THAT FLOODED WAS ONLY 15% NEW RAIN NOT 100%, THE MEDIA IS LYING!"

 

[IntentionalPun]

Nowhere in the US did hospitals get overrun.

Because we reacted with lockdowns.

The point was IF WE DONT REACT those things WOULD HAVE happened.

"IF you don't extinguish that fire, your house will burn down."

"I used a fire extinguisher on my fire.. those people lied to me that my house was gonna burn down, didn't even come close."

Fucking a man.

 

[IntentionalPun]

And ICUs DID overflow and ARE overflowing right now.

There are tons of absolutely full ICUs.. meaning any patient near that hospital has to be sent to a hospital farther away.. massively increasing their risk of death for serious cases and increasing costs to.. people that could be ambulance'd are having to be air lifted. And not just for COVID cases... car accidents, heart attacks, etc.

Coronavirus strains Florida health system as some hospitals run out of ICU beds in largest counties

As of Tuesday, more than 5,000 Florida patients were using roughly 83% of the state's more than 6,000 ICU beds, according to the state's Agency for Health Care Administration.

www.cnbc.com

More than 40 Florida hospitals in multiple counties across the state have maxed out their ICU capacity or are close to running out of intensive care beds, according to the state’s Agency for Health Care Administration.

That's called...

Hospitals getting overrun. Beyond capacity, having to put beds in hallways, ship people to other hospitals, etc...= overrun.

 

[prag16]

Because we reacted with lockdowns.

The point was IF WE DONT REACT those things WOULD HAVE happened.

"IF you don't extinguish that fire, your house will burn down."

"I used a fire extinguisher on my fire.. those people lied to me that my house was gonna burn down, didn't even come close."

Fucking a man.

If you had read past the first sentence of my post, maybe you'd be worth replying to further. Have fun jerking off relentlessly to your fear porn. Or do you have to take a break after an all night frenzy in celebration of the nationwide 7 day COVID death moving average finally ticking up slighly after months of consistent decline?

 

[IntentionalPun]

If you had read past the first sentence of my post, maybe you'd be worth replying to further. Have fun jerking off relentlessly to your fear porn. Or do you have to take a break after an all night frenzy in celebration of the nationwide 7 day COVID death moving average finally ticking up slighly after months of consistent decline?

What a fucking nightmare your attitude is.

I'm UPSET people are dying who didn't need to.. and I'm freaked out these places that opened up early are going to destroy the economy by forcing extended lockdowns. This shit is upsetting, if it isn't upsetting to you YOU are the one with the problem. CELEBRATING deaths? Go fuck yourself.

And TBH the rest of your post was absolute fucking nonsense, so yeah I didn't quote it.

 

[ManaByte]

If you had read past the first sentence of my post, maybe you'd be worth replying to further. Have fun jerking off relentlessly to your fear porn. Or do you have to take a break after an all night frenzy in celebration of the nationwide 7 day COVID death moving average finally ticking up slighly after months of consistent decline?

If it results in Biden getting elected, it's all worth it!

 

[prag16]

I'm UPSET people are dying who didn't need to..

Perhaps. But those who will use this whole thing to their political advantage sure aren't. And they've got you eating right out of their hands.

EDIT:

If it results in Biden getting elected, it's all worth it!

Bingo.

 

[IntentionalPun]

You guys are the ones turning this into a political issue.

Nobody in their right minds wants to absolutely wreck every state economy for some political gain. It's absolute utter nonsense. Trillions of dollars lost.. you think the corporate boot licker democrats want that?

Not to mention the voting problems this is going to cause in urban areas... this shit could absolutely fuck democrats in elections. Get a fucking grip.

 

[Siri]

Update from the care home at which I work.

We had 72 positives during the outbreak at our facility (27 staff and 45 residents). Our building has two sections: one that was built 45 years ago, and another that was built just 10 years ago. The old building is where the outbreak occurred. The new building miraculously escaped the virus.

Here’s the somewhat surprising news I heard yesterday. The residents in the old building were all administered serology tests, and virtually all of them had antibodies.

This information came to me through the grapevine, so take it with a grain of salt - but if true, it’s incredibly interesting because there were 107 residents living in the old building at the time of the outbreak. If this information is true then half our residents in the old building caught the virus and never showed symptoms.

Again, take this with a grain of salt. I’m not an administrator. I don’t have direct access to this information.

Also, a number of frontline staff were unprotected during the early days of the outbreak because they had no access to PPE, but they never got sick, which seemed strange. It turns out that many of them now have antibodies.

This is actually the opposite of what I heard a month ago - so, again, take this with a grain of salt.

This information would explain a lot however. At the height of our outbreak I believed the entire building was going to go down. I said there was no way the virus was going to be contained - but by May 1st there were no more positives. It seemed miraculous at the time - that the virus just stopped spreading. But if this information is true then the virus, in fact, wasn’t contained. Rather it burned through the entire building. Just that slightly more than 50% never showed strong symptoms.

———-

Also, this thought just occurred to me.

Some people are fearful of entering our building, but the truth is we’re probably the only place in my province that has herd immunity.

I now feel safer at work than I do in any other public place.

 

[Jooxed]

Update from the care home at which I work.

We had 72 positives during the outbreak at our facility (27 staff and 45 residents). Our building has two sections: one that was built 45 years ago, and another that was built just 10 years ago. The old building is where the outbreak occurred. The new building miraculously escaped the virus.

Here’s the somewhat surprising news I heard yesterday. The residents in the old building were all administered serology tests, and virtually all of them had antibodies.

This information came to me through the grapevine, so take it with a grain of salt - but if true, it’s incredibly interesting because there were 107 residents living in the old building at the time of the outbreak. If this information is true then half our residents in the old building caught the virus and never showed symptoms.

Again, take this with a grain of salt. I’m not an administrator. I don’t have direct access to this information.

Also, a number of frontline staff were unprotected during the early days of the outbreak because they had no access to PPE, but they never got sick, which seemed strange. It turns out that many of them now have antibodies.

This is actually the opposite of what I heard a month ago - so, again, take this with a grain of salt.

This information would explain a lot however. At the height of our outbreak I believed the entire building was going to go down. I said there was no way the virus was going to be contained - but by May 1st there were no more positives. It seemed miraculous at the time - that the virus just stopped spreading. But if this information is true then the virus, in fact, wasn’t contained. Rather it burned through the entire building. Just that slightly more than 50% never showed strong symptoms.

———-

Also, this thought just occurred to me.

Some people are fearful of entering our building, but the truth is we’re probably the only place in my province that has herd immunity.

I now feel safer at work than I do in any other public place.

Yeah we are done we wen't through our 35 cases at work and cleared everyone. Now we are waiting for our second wave to hit the building eventually.

 

[Ornlu]

What you are saying is basically.

"IT TURNS OUT THAT RIVER THAT FLOODED WAS ONLY 15% NEW RAIN NOT 100%, THE MEDIA IS LYING!"

That's not what the poster was saying, even slightly:

Here in CA, specifically my county, the ICU is almost full. But it's not full of COVID. COVID only accounts for 15% of the ICU cases here.. The people filling up ICUs right now are those with serious health conditions who COULDN'T GO TO THE HOSPITAL due to the lockdowns. Now they can and they're in the ICU because their conditions worsened being locked in their houses.

Or in other words: All those millions of missed physicals, mammograms, dental checkups, colonoscopies, etc. lead to increased serious health issues later on (which is now).

IntentionalPun Why bother distorting what someone was trying to say?

 

[prag16]

You guys are the ones turning this into a political issue.

Nobody in their right minds wants to absolutely wreck every state economy for some political gain. It's absolute utter nonsense. Trillions of dollars lost.. you think the corporate boot licker democrats want that?

Not to mention the voting problems this is going to cause in urban areas... this shit could absolutely fuck democrats in elections. Get a fucking grip.

The ends justify the means in their minds. And they're not too worried about voting problems either as long as they can successfully force infinite no-excuse absentee ballots in most swing states.

 

[IntentionalPun]

The ends justify the means in their minds. And they're not too worried about voting problems either as long as they can successfully force infinite no-excuse absentee ballots in most swing states.

How do you explain all the other major countries in the world enforcing even stricter lockdowns earlier?

Same democrat conspiracy?

 

[prag16]

How do you explain all the other major countries in the world enforcing even stricter lockdowns earlier?

Same democrat conspiracy?

Never let a good crisis go to waste. The Democrats didn't invent COVID. But they sure as hell will milk it for all it's worth.

 

[IntentionalPun]

That's not what the poster was saying, even slightly:





Or in other words: All those millions of missed physicals, mammograms, dental checkups, colonoscopies, etc. lead to increased serious health issues later on (which is now).

IntentionalPun Why bother distorting what someone was trying to say?

I'll admit.. I didn't read that far.

But TBH that sounds like more absolute made up bullshit. How does people missing a few appointments in march/april cause such a large swing in ICU cases in June/July? That makes no sense to me, it's incredibly rare to go to the doctor for a routine checkup and then end up in the ICU immediately after.

I'm willing to have my mind changed if anyone has links to actually support this idea though but it sounds like a crock of shit. Would be incredibly easy to prove too, so where is the data?

Meanwhile we know for a fact that 100's of thousands of people have been hospitalized due to COVID, when 0 people were last year. And the initial strain on our systems happened BEFORE anyone was in lockdown. It's the REASON we locked down in the first place in most places.. we waited too long.

And our recent upswings can be directly correlated to re-opening too early...

 

[jts]

Can anyone explain these travel restrictions by Belgium? Any Belgian around? I’m puzzled about the why is Finland on the red and Sweden on the green.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Never let a good crisis go to waste. The Democrats didn't invent COVID. But they sure as hell will milk it for all it's worth.

Not the point of my question.

Why did all these other countries enforce even stricter lockdowns and fuck their economies up? Many of these countries had no resistance from any major political party... no upcoming elections. Did they do it for shits and giggles, or because.. we have a major pandemic we haven't seen the likes of since the Spanish Flu?

You have it completely backwards; the GOP resisted lockdowns for political reasons and absolutely mindblowingly fucked up.. massive lockdowns happening in States controlled by the GOP. Did they all get brainwashed by the Democrats? Their economies are going to get fucked worse than places that were strict early... so good job.

 

[prag16]

Not the point of my question.

Why did all these other countries enforce even stricter lockdowns and fuck their economies up? Many of these countries had no resistance from any major political party... no upcoming elections. Did they do it for shits and giggles, or because.. we have a major pandemic we haven't seen the likes of since the Spanish Flu?

You have it completely backwards; the GOP resisted lockdowns for political reasons and absolutely mindblowingly fucked up.. massive lockdowns happening in States controlled by the GOP. Did they all get brainwashed by the Democrats? Their economies are going to get fucked worse than places that were strict early... so good job.

Yes, indeed many Republicans haven't stuck to their guns. And that could cost them at the ballot box too.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Yes, indeed many Republicans haven't stuck to their guns. And that could cost them at the ballot box too.

Will you actually respond to my main question?:

Not the point of my question.

Why did all these other countries enforce even stricter lockdowns and fuck their economies up?

 

[prag16]

Will you actually respond to my main question?:

Not the point of my question.

Why did all these other countries enforce even stricter lockdowns and fuck their economies up?

Groupthink.

 

[Nymphae]

Groupthink.

No one will read that tweetthread I posted yesterday

 

[IntentionalPun]

Sorry for my abrasiveness today, this is an upsetting issue to me.

In my mind; the attitudes in this thread are actually what is going to destroy the economy. Those that acted swiftly and early are far more able to open up today.

 

[Ornlu]

But TBH that sounds like more absolute made up bullshit. How does people missing a few appointments in march/april cause such a large swing in ICU cases in June/July? That makes no sense to me, it's incredibly rare to go to the doctor for a routine checkup and then end up in the ICU immediately after.

I'm willing to have my mind changed if anyone has links to actually support this idea though but it sounds like a crock of shit. Would be incredibly easy to prove too, so where is the data?

Sure, i'll bite.

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It would be virtually impossible to extrapolate how many ICU cases are generated by ceasing all preventative healthcare, unless the government had a data-backed metric of how many life-threatening cases per thousand/million were treated earlier due to preventative care. If that exists, that would be the metric to use.

Ceasing all preventative care in a state for 2+ months will result in increased mortality (and ICU visits, per what we are discussing). There is no debate on that point, it is simply fact.

 

[MisterFalcon]

This is quite a harrowing tale of having serious covid-19 from youtuber Bald and Bankrupt who was making videos from lockdown free Belarus two months ago, kind of making fun of the situation. I hope he recovers from the physical and mental toll it's taken on him.

 

[ManaByte]

Mayor Yoga Pants is going to lockdown LA again:

LA could face 2nd mandatory stay-at-home order if COVID cases continue to rise, Garcetti warns

Mayor Eric Garcetti is warning that Los Angeles could face a second mandatory stay-at-home order if coronavirus cases and hospitalizations continue to rise.

abc7.com

Expect the lockdown to end on Nov 4th, depending on the election results.

 

[segasonic]

It looks like deaths might be starting to climb, actually. Only the last two days, so not sure if it will continue, but we'll see.

I think US mortality has decreased due to younger people being infected, improved treatment (steroids, less emphasis on ventilators, maybe Remdesivir) BUT active case number has increased by around 50% within one month which cannot be compensated anymore so deaths have now started to rise. So again the only way to save lives is to reduce new infections and get R-rate below 1.

 

[12Goblins]

This is quite a harrowing tale of having serious covid-19 from youtuber Bald and Bankrupt who was making videos from lockdown free Belarus two months ago, kind of making fun of the situation. I hope he recovers from the physical and mental toll it's taken on him.

I don't understand the people who are taking risks and traveling, despite everything we know, and then act shocked when they contract the virus. Especially seeing that there are still so many uncertainties and unknown variables at play (airborne vs droplet??) and more and more research suggesting a potential for long term damage to your organs... Why not play this on the side of caution until we have a better understanding of we are dealing with...

 

[ManaByte]

Newsom is doing his daily press conference and is trying to use an average of 70 deaths a day to say it's still super deadly.

 

[segasonic]

Can anyone explain these travel restrictions by Belgium? Any Belgian around? I’m puzzled about the why is Finland on the red and Sweden on the green.

Those are not restrictions by Belgium but for Belgian citizens by destination countries.

 

[segasonic]

Newsom is doing his daily press conference and is trying to use an average of 70 deaths a day to say it's still super deadly.

 

[Laieon]

Nowhere in the US did hospitals get overrun.

Here in Texas doctors are literally saying we're close to this happening.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

At the hospital port is cut out if me I was awake for the cutting fun times

staying overnight but going to a COVID free floor so must test for that first yay

 

[Laieon]

This is quite a harrowing tale of having serious covid-19 from youtuber Bald and Bankrupt who was making videos from lockdown free Belarus two months ago, kind of making fun of the situation. I hope he recovers from the physical and mental toll it's taken on him.

Saw this this morning. I think the last video I saw was him visiting that Russian guy and his mom in Belarus near Chernobyl. They seem like nice people in the few videos they're in, so I hope he got it after and not before. They're not exactly close to a hospital.

 

[ManaByte]

Here in Texas doctors are literally saying we're close to this happening.

Again, they're not being overrun with COVID. It's a scare tactic to reinstate lockdowns. At least in CA most of the ICU patients are non-COVID, but the media doesn't tell you that.

 

[Laieon]

Again, they're not being overrun with COVID. It's a scare tactic to reinstate lockdowns. At least in CA most of the ICU patients are non-COVID, but the media doesn't tell you that.

I'll listen to doctors who are actually in the hospitals themselves (the media doesn't need to tell me in anything if it's coming from the fucking source itself) instead of a crazy guy on the internet buying into conspiracy theories, but you do you.

 

[ManaByte]

I'll listen to doctors who are actually in the hospitals themselves (the media doesn't need to tell me in anything if it's coming from the fucking source itself) instead of a crazy guy on the internet buying into conspiracy theories, but you do you.

It's not conspiracy theories, I explained it earlier in the thread how here in CA many counties ICU's are 15-20% COVID and the rest are people who couldn't get to the hospital during the lockdown and now have more serious conditions. But just dismiss that to buy into panic porn.

 

[IntentionalPun]

It's not conspiracy theories, I explained it earlier in the thread how here in CA many counties ICU's are 15-20% COVID and the rest are people who couldn't get to the hospital during the lockdown and now have more serious conditions. But just dismiss that to buy into panic porn.

Your logic makes no sense.

15-20% of ICUS are literally full of a disease that didn't exist last year, but you think logically they are ACTUALLY being over-run by people who... missed dentists appointments and shit?

It would be virtually impossible to extrapolate how many ICU cases are generated by ceasing all preventative healthcare, unless the government had a data-backed metric of how many life-threatening cases per thousand/million were treated earlier due to preventative care. If that exists, that would be the metric to use.

So it's totally impossible to know, but somehow you know for sure? From a hunch or something?

And why in the world would it be impossible to know? They know generally how many people are admitted to ICUs at any given time for various symptoms... if they saw a rise in those normal cases.. they'd know.

But anyways, it's apparently impossible to know.. so you are essentially admitting to just pulling a theory out of your ass.

And while you are at it, where are you even getting this 15-20% number from anyways? Just curious. I saw one stat that said there were 400 new Corona ICU cases over 2 weeks in a hospital that 2 weeks earlier had 1000 ICU patients... so even assuming 0 of those 1000 were Corona, for that hosptial the ICU would be well over 30%, and that's a bad assumption in the first place. I'd imagine it's far less consistant than some "15-20%" range depending on the demographics of the locals.

 

[ManaByte]

Your logic makes no sense.

15-20% of ICUS are literally full of a disease that didn't exist last year, but you think logically they are ACTUALLY being over-run by people who... missed dentists appointments and shit?

So it's totally impossible to know, but somehow you know for sure? From a hunch or something?

And why in the world would it be impossible to know? They know generally how many people are admitted to ICUs at any given time for various symptoms... if they saw a rise in those normal cases.. they'd know.

But anyways, it's apparently impossible to know.. so you are essentially admitting to just pulling a theory out of your ass.

And while you are at it, where are you even getting this 15-20% number from anyways? Just curious. I saw one stat that said there were 400 new Corona ICU cases over 2 weeks in a hospital that 2 weeks earlier had 1000 ICU patients... so even assuming 0 of those 1000 were Corona, for that hosptial the ICU would be well over 30%, and that's a bad assumption in the first place.

Why did you quote reply me in something I never said?

 

[IntentionalPun]

ManaByte : Sorry copied the wrong username.

 

[bigsnack]

I have a question for everyone. I think a number of folks originally suspected that they may have already gotten COVID19 earlier in the year, based on being unbelievably sick in the December - Feb timeframe. I'm also one of those people.

I was sicker than I ever remember being as an adult, with muscle weakness and body fatigue, intense headache and eye pain for 3 days, fever for about a week. I didn't lose my sense of taste / smell from what I remember, and I didn't have any notable shortness of breath (just a lingering tickling cough that lasted for about 2-3 weeks). I did take an antibody test and it came up negative, but that was months later and I've now heard that the active antibodies may actually already be gone by then.

I know I've been exposed (found out after the fact) to folks that have had COVID19, and luckily I haven't fallen ill. My question to everyone is, did anyone here get that super bad sickness in the winter AND then later got COVID19? I'm starting to think again that maybe I actually did have it back in February.

 

[Ornlu]

So it's totally impossible to know, but somehow you know for sure? From a hunch or something?

And why in the world would it be impossible to know? They know generally how many people are admitted to ICUs at any given time for various symptoms... if they saw a rise in those normal cases.. they'd know.

But anyways, it's apparently impossible to know.. so you are essentially admitting to just pulling a theory out of your ass.

And while you are at it, where are you even getting this 15-20% number from anyways? Just curious. I saw one stat that said there were 400 new Corona ICU cases over 2 weeks in a hospital that 2 weeks earlier had 1000 ICU patients... so even assuming 0 of those 1000 were Corona, for that hosptial the ICU would be well over 30%, and that's a bad assumption in the first place. I'd imagine it's far less consistant than some "15-20%" range depending on the demographics of the locals.

Why so aggressive? Why insulting? I'm not 'pulling a theory out of my ass'. I said that not allowing people to get their necessary treatments, and their preventative treatments for 2 months would lead to increased mortality later. Do you disagree with that? It seems pretty undeniably obvious. There is a reason that people receive preventative checkups, and a reason people receive medical care for non-life threatening conditions.

What I also said is that government data would be needed to determine actual deaths/ICU visits directly due to lack of treatment during the healthcare shutdown. If that's not clear at this point, I don't know how else to explain it to you.

I have a question for everyone. I think a number of folks originally suspected that they may have already gotten COVID19 earlier in the year, based on being unbelievably sick in the December - Feb timeframe. I'm also one of those people.

I was sicker than I ever remember being as an adult, with muscle weakness and body fatigue, intense headache and eye pain for 3 days, fever for about a week. I didn't lose my sense of taste / smell from what I remember, and I didn't have any notable shortness of breath (just a lingering tickling cough that lasted for about 2-3 weeks). I did take an antibody test and it came up negative, but that was months later and I've now heard that the active antibodies may actually already be gone by then.

I know I've been exposed (found out after the fact) to folks that have had COVID19, and luckily I haven't fallen ill. My question to everyone is, did anyone here get that super bad sickness in the winter AND then later got COVID19? I'm starting to think again that maybe I actually did have it back in February.

I was very sick (for me) back in January; it ran thru my whole house. We were told it wasn't the flu at the time. None of us have been sick since, FWIW.

 

[cryptoadam]

Sorry for my abrasiveness today, this is an upsetting issue to me.

In my mind; the attitudes in this thread are actually what is going to destroy the economy. Those that acted swiftly and early are far more able to open up today.

Go look at Israel and see whats happening there.

We all gotta lose the hubris and think we are better than god. Virus gonna virus. Get back to me when we stop the cold and Flu from infecting anyone ever again.

Take your Vit D/C/Zinc, social distance, wear a mask, avoid large crowds, wash your hands and pray you get past it.