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[REE Machine]

As an owner of a 4k tv I honestly could not give a fuck about native 4k resolution, what I do care about though is them frames. Give me 1440p and 60 fps on consoles, its the smart move for gameplay, fluidity etc.

Its pathetic that near the end of the next gen consoles life cycle which will be around 2027, we will still be playing and talking about games in 30 frames per second.

 

[ManaByte]

If that's how you need to convince yourself that you don't need a more powerful console, more power to you. But 4K 60 should be a goal, especially in 2020.

 

[GHG]

60fps?

More like 120fps @ 1440p.

There's no turning back once you've experienced it.

 

[Kuranghi]

If that's how you need to convince yourself that you don't need a more powerful console, more power to you. But 4K 60 should be a goal, especially in 2020.

I think he means, he wanted 60 over 30, he is sacrificing 4K for 60fps.

As an owner of a 4k tv I honestly could not give a fuck about native 4k resolution, what I do care about though is them frames. Give me 1440p and 60 fps on consoles, its the smart move for gameplay, fluidity etc.

Its pathetic that near the end of the next gen consoles life cycle which will be around 2027, we will still be playing and talking about games in 30 frames per second.

Unfortunately they like to push things until 60 fps isn't possible, even if you could somehow force the res to drop to 1440p it prob still wouldn't run at 60 because its limited by other factors than the GPU.

 

[Tiamat2san]

Death it shall be then.

 

[M1chl]

60fps?

More like 120fps @ 1440p.

There's no turning back once you've experienced it.

With controller, not so sure, if that extra 60fps would be felt, with mouse it obviously is...

 

[TheContact]

I don't think the new consoles can do 2k/144, not to mention most TVs only go up to 120 natively anyway. At best, hope for 1080/120. That's what I'm hoping for.

 

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[REE Machine]

If that's how you need to convince yourself that you don't need a more powerful console, more power to you. But 4K 60 should be a goal, especially in 2020.

Yet its not feasible with these machines, we already have ass creed on the X running at 30

 

[A Most Virtuous Cat]

Ayyy men, brother!

 

[NullZ3r0]

Or give me 4K/60 or 1440p/120

 

[Lethal01]

If that's how you need to convince yourself that you don't need a more powerful console, more power to you. But 4K 60 should be a goal, especially in 2020.

There will always be able to sacrifice resolution for increased fidelity in other areas. Yo don't need more power developers just need to give you the option to turn down settings or increase them if you'd rather play at 1080 30ps with truly "ultra" settings.

 

[ManaByte]

Yet its not feasible with these machines, we already have ass creed on the X running at 30

It's absolutely feasible on at least one of the machines. Don't let UbiSoft dictate what a console can or can't do.

 

[Ashraf’s Lioness]

Yes

 

[Fart Knight]

Well, pick a grave OP

 

[GHG]

With controller, not so sure, if that extra 60fps would be felt, with mouse it obviously is...

You can feel it even with a controller. The extra visual smoothness is always welcome regardless of the input method you decide to use.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Here's my ranking:

1. 4k/60 good settings

2. 1440p/60 high settings

3-4. 1080p/60 ultra RTX settings for sports and shooters + 4k/30 ultra RTX settings for slow paced RPGs like a Skyrim

 

[00_Zer0]

OP is right. There needs to be a choice between fps and better graphics on consoles. More developers need to step up and give us this choice. I own all consoles plus a PC. Right now I have a gaming PC capable of playing many games in 4K at 60 fps, but I choose to run all my games on my 65 inch Q70R 4K TV at 1440p at 120 hz.(those that are not locked at 30 or 60 hz by the developer), I prefer fps over resolution and I purposely bought this TV last year because it was capable of 1440p at 120 hz. I can't go back now that is want I prefer gaming on a PC and also why I prefer a display that can run at 120 hz.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

As an owner of a 4k tv I honestly could not give a fuck about native 4k resolution, what I do care about though is them frames. Give me 1440p and 60 fps on consoles, its the smart move for gameplay, fluidity etc.

Its pathetic that near the end of the next gen consoles life cycle which will be around 2027, we will still be playing and talking about games in 30 frames per second.

Your best hope is every dev has 2 or 3 graphics/performance options which some games do now on X and Pro.

 

[R6Rider]

I'd rather have 1080 at 120p and 1440 at 60p than trying to achieve 4k.

Some developers will offer options, but most will not.

 

[molasar]

 

[teezzy]

Why not just stick to PC, OP? We all float down here. Don't you want a balloon?

 

[Shakka43]

 

[Ceallach]

RIP OP.

 

[Quixz]

Why not 1800p/60

 

[ClosBSAS]

If that's how you need to convince yourself that you don't need a more powerful console, more power to you. But 4K 60 should be a goal, especially in 2020.

nah, thats just a waste of damn resources, why cant ppl see this ffs. Ps5 already dont look THAT much better, nothing special honestly. So stop wasting resources on 4k and make better graphics at 1440p which is the sweet spot.

 

[MR ARCADE FOREVER]

I agree. 1440 p is a great resolution. Fuck 4k give me the 60 fps goodness.

 

[Birdo]

Just give me enjoyable games.

 

[Bonfires Down]

 

[ManaByte]

nah, thats just a waste of damn resources, why cant ppl see this ffs. Ps5 already dont look THAT much better, nothing special honestly. So stop wasting resources on 4k and make better graphics at 1440p which is the sweet spot.

Your best = 1440p 60
Fucking the prom queen = 4K 60

 

[OptimistPrime]

If that's how you need to convince yourself that you don't need a more powerful console, more power to you. But 4K 60 should be a goal, especially in 2020.

It doesn't work like that. You could take the XBox Series X and make a game at 4k60 and another game that targeted 1080p30. The 4k game would look more crisp, but the 1080p game could have much more complex visuals, draw distance, etc. They would each look better than the other in different ways.

I believe the OP is saying that by sticking to 1440p60, you're able to have a good balance of fluidity, clarity, and scene complexity.

4k is way overkill for a living room where most people are too far away to see the difference between 1440p and 4k anywway.

 

[FireFly]

1440p60 with AI upscaling up to 4K.

'Neural Supersampling' Could Give Future Oculus Quests Console-Quality Graphics

A new neural network developed by Facebook’s VR/AR research division could enable console-quality graphics on future standalone headsets.

uploadvr.com

 

[ManaByte]

4k is way overkill for a living room where most people are too far away to see the difference between 1440p and 4k anywway.

I remember people saying the same thing about 1080p back in 2013, except those were Xbox fans because that console had issues hitting 1080p.

 

[R6Rider]

I remember people saying the same thing about 1080p back in 2013, except those were Xbox fans because that console had issues hitting 1080p.

At most living room sitting distances the human eye cannot tell the different between 1080 and 4k, let alone 1440.

On smaller screens and up close it's very noticeable. It's kind of like when phones have 4k resolutions which is completely pointless as the dpi is impossible for your eyes to notice.

People sit way to far away from their TV's in general though, which is another problem in itself.

 

[OptimistPrime]

I remember people saying the same thing about 1080p back in 2013, except those were Xbox fans because that console had issues hitting 1080p.

My claim is a bit more technical than that. According to this chart, which is based on eye charts (like doctors use) and 20/20 vision:

Chart: 1080P Does Matter - CarltonBale.com

s3.carltonbale.com

You need to be 7 feet from a 55” display before you even BEGIN to notice the difference of 4K over 1080p. About 4 feet away to see the full benefit. (Full benefit of 1440p would be between those figures).

 

[dorkimoe]

i just need 60fps minimum from now on. I really want a FO76 update on the series x

 

[Danjin44]

I would be happy if we see more games run at 60FPS but it doesn't mean I would skip a game that I'm looking forward to just because it runs at 30FPS. I can still fully enjoy a game runs at 30 FPS with no problem.

 

[TheShocker]

I run my tv/X1X at 1440p/120fps and I fucking love it. I know I don’t get 120fps on games but the reduced latency and overall smoothness is way better imo.

 

[mortal]

Developers that can manage should just give the players options.

4K 30fps/60fps
1440p 60fps
1080p/120fps

 

[Abear21]

It would be cool if the new consoles were able to lock fps and downgrade titles-not sure if possible but it would be nice!

Hopefully more and more devs next gen at least give the option to have 60fps or “enhanced visuals” modes in settings.

I think console gamers have made it pretty clear they enjoy 60fps too, it’s time devs listen and they offer the option when they can.

 

[Golgo 13]

As an owner of a 4k tv I honestly could not give a fuck about native 4k resolution, what I do care about though is them frames. Give me 1440p and 60 fps on consoles, its the smart move for gameplay, fluidity etc.

Its pathetic that near the end of the next gen consoles life cycle which will be around 2027, we will still be playing and talking about games in 30 frames per second.

Fortunately I have an answer for you, to this entire frame-rate issue.

Spoiler

 

[Mister Wolf]

With controller, not so sure, if that extra 60fps would be felt, with mouse it obviously is...

You feel it. I certainly am playing MCC on PC.

 

[Rikkori]

My claim is a bit more technical than that. According to this chart, which is based on eye charts (like doctors use) and 20/20 vision:

Chart: 1080P Does Matter - CarltonBale.com

s3.carltonbale.com

You need to be 7 feet from a 55” display before you even BEGIN to notice the difference of 4K over 1080p. About 4 feet away to see the full benefit. (Full benefit of 1440p would be between those figures).

Those charts are often bandied around but it's bullshit, pure and simple. I sit around 5 feet away and I can easily tell the difference even for 1440p - and frankly sometimes even 4K doesn't feel enough. Some games are exceptional and harder to spot regardless (eg Division 2) but in general the difference is obvious. At 7 feet the difference between 4K & FHD is still obvious, but for QHD a bit less so. It's not so much that you don't notice it, it's much more 'it's less of a difference and you don't care'. Rendering 1080p on a 4K screen has very obvious signs of pixelation (even for TAA games) and there's no way you won't notice it in 90%+ of cases unless you're like 20 feet away, on a 55" TV.

And then if we start going up in size, as is popular, I would say that even 4K is no longer delivering a premium experience for 75" & up.

This reasoning doesn't apply for video etc

 

[Golgo 13]

You feel it. I certainly am playing MCC on PC.

Frame rate dramatically effects input latency, so of course you feel it, even if your display is limited to say, 60FPS.

 

[scydrex]

Let the players choose at least the resolution and the fps. If 4k 60fps is possible then awesome. I expect like this gen a lot of 4k 30fps games but options would be good. at least the below or similar.

1080 120fps.
1440p 60fps.
4k 30/60fps.

 

[Soodanim]

I jumped from console to PC after PS3 because of framerates and tearing, and I'm not jumping back in until I see how PS5 goes.

1440p@120+ seems to be the sweet spot for PC, with 4kCB+HDR being the console route for now.
I'll never stop singing the praises of VRR, it's so underrated right now but will be important in a few years when adoption rises. The only concern is that it may cause devs to just sit happily at 25-35fps.

 

[brap]

RIP

 

[R6Rider]

Those charts are often bandied around but it's bullshit, pure and simple. I sit around 5 feet away and I can easily tell the difference even for 1440p - and frankly sometimes even 4K doesn't feel enough. Some games are exceptional and harder to spot regardless (eg Division 2) but in general the difference is obvious. At 7 feet the difference between 4K & FHD is still obvious, but for QHD a bit less so. It's not so much that you don't notice it, it's much more 'it's less of a difference and you don't care'. Rendering 1080p on a 4K screen has very obvious signs of pixelation (even for TAA games) and there's no way you won't notice it in 90%+ of cases unless you're like 20 feet away, on a 55" TV.

And then if we start going up in size, as is popular, I would say that even 4K is no longer delivering a premium experience for 75" & up.

This reasoning doesn't apply for video etc

5 feet away from what size of TV?


Also relevant to this topic:

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

 

[OptimistPrime]

I sit around 5 feet away and I can easily tell the difference even for 1440p

This is fully consistent with the chart - not sure what you're arguing, unless you have a screen much smaller than 55".

If you're in the realm of "you can kind of tell a difference", it's a huge waste of resources to target 4k. 1440p is less than half the pixels of 4k. That's a ton of horsepower thrown at something that the vast vast majority of people will either not perceive or only partially perceive. 5-6 feet is just too close to a 55" screen for most people.