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[tryDEATH]

Yet PS3 managed to outsell X360 at a lower price, but XBO can't.

Why? Because of the games.
And it surely isn't 3rd party because those ran better on X360.

3rd party are the core of gaming, so all that's left are exclusives.
Those are the very reason for Playstation mindshare and brand recognition, which is build on word of mouth.

You can move goalposts all you want, it'll always boil down to that point.
So I'll save us both the trouble and just leave it at that.

You want to make fun of the Xbox One and its monumental fuck up, but then refuse to acknowledge it when it comes to why it couldn't do better in its recovery, you can't have it both ways. By the Time PS3 Slim came out PS was 15 years old, they had the audience and brand recognition for a comeback and their launch wasn't as catastrophic as Xbox One's. This isn't rocket science, and it sure as hell wasn't do to exclusive games.

 

[Psykodad]

And Microsoft has learned from theirs, they've been going in a more pro-consumer direction. The thing is they're taking it to the extreme by giving up on exclusivity. They seem to be operating on the belief that being pro-consumer will win you the war because people will appreciate it... while Switch sells gangbusters being sold by the most anti-consumer console manufacturing company in existence.

I won't argue with that.
It's just that their messaging is pure PR mumbojumbo born out of necessity because they're becoming irrelevant.

If GamePass and xCloud take off, I don't see them continuing xbox as a console after next-gen.

 

[tryDEATH]

And Microsoft has learned from theirs, they've been going in a more pro-consumer direction. The thing is they're taking it to the extreme by giving up on exclusivity. They seem to be operating on the belief that being pro-consumer will win you the war because people will appreciate it... while Switch sells gangbusters being sold by the most anti-consumer console manufacturing company in existence.

Nintendo fans are a different breed of humans altogether lol

 

[Psykodad]

You want to make fun of the Xbox One and its monumental fuck up, but then refuse to acknowledge it when it comes to why it couldn't do better in its recovery, you can't have it both ways. By the Time PS3 Slim came out PS was 15 years old, they had the audience and brand recognition for a comeback and their launch wasn't as catastrophic as Xbox One's. This isn't rocket science, and it sure as hell wasn't do to exclusive games.

Sony fucked up almost as badly with PS3, with the infamous PSN hack on top of it.

Games keep their brand going.

Seriously...

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I won't argue with that.
It's just that their messaging is pure PR mumbojumbo born out of necessity because they're becoming irrelevant.

If GamePass and xCloud take off, I don't see them continuing xbox as a console after next-gen.

Well, I feel like a good interviewer would have asked Phil the question, that if PC is the best ecosystem and exclusivity doesn't matter... why even make a new console? What's the point of offering an alternative to the "best ecosystem for gaming"??? I think perception is part of what drives this stuff, I still remember people saying they had to buy a PS3 to play GTA IV because they didn't realize it was coming to 360, the same can be said for people thinking they need a Series X for Halo, and they bank on it.

 

[Dodkrake]

Still waiting to see something that truly looks next gen. Hellblade 2 and Flight Sim are the only 2 games that I have seen so far that look like they cant be done on current gen.

Phil Spencer is right once again!

the delusion is real

 

[tryDEATH]

I won't argue with that.
It's just that their messaging is pure PR mumbojumbo born out of necessity because they're becoming irrelevant.

If GamePass and xCloud take off, I don't see them continuing xbox as a console after next-gen.

Its no mumbojumbo there is a clear messaging, but you are 100% right that it is born out of necessity, because last time they were off message they got absolutely destroyed. So you can't blame them for the approach they are taking if you look at it from an unbiased logical view.

 

[Psykodad]

Well, I feel like a good interviewer would have asked Phil the question, that if PC is the best ecosystem and exclusivity doesn't matter... why even make a new console? What's the point of offering an alternative to the "best ecosystem for gaming"??? I think perception is part of what drives this stuff, I still remember people saying they had to buy a PS3 to play GTA IV because they didn't realize it was coming to 360, the same can be said for people thinking they need a Series X for Halo, and they bank on it.

Somehow I think that question gets dodged because it's the big elephant in the room.

MS even seem to give more and more signals of moving away from consoles.

 

[Ascend]

And Microsoft has learned from theirs, they've been going in a more pro-consumer direction. The thing is they're taking it to the extreme by giving up on exclusivity. They seem to be operating on the belief that being pro-consumer will win you the war because people will appreciate it... while Switch sells gangbusters being sold by the most anti-consumer console manufacturing company in existence.

All true. But I think MS is going for easy. People love easy things without a hassle. Why did Netflix become so popular? You pay a reasonably cheap monthly subscription, you can watch whatever you want, whenever you want, for how long you want. Xbox is going for that with Gamepass and XCloud. For Netflix it doesn't matter which device you have...

Imagine if on July 23rd MS announces that you can subscribe for XCloud, and play Xbox on your TV, Phone, and especially the Switch or even the PS5. I honestly think this is becoming a real possibility... The statements line up.

They have been saying things like their competition being Stadia, not Sony.
They are talking about not excluding anyone from their platform.
They are talking about games available for both Xbox One and Xbox Series X.
They have been saying their console sales are not really that important initially.

If they announce that on July 23rd, the world is going to explode. Even PS5 people would be able to play Xbox games. The Xbox console would be for the ones that don't want to deal with cloud hassle and want the highest quality possible.

 

[Psykodad]

Its no mumbojumbo there is a clear messaging, but you are 100% right that it is born out of necessity, because last time they were off message they got absolutely destroyed. So you can't blame them for the approach they are taking if you look at it from an unbiased logical view.

I don't blame them at all.
I've been saying that moving this way is their best option, IF they just go full 3rd party.

And contrary to popular believe, I would have absolutely no problem with them being a 3rd party and even sub to GP if it were available on Playstation to play some of their games.

The mumbojumbo was directed at those that think they take this proconsumer stance because they are so caring.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Somehow I think that question gets dodges because it's the big elephant in the room.

MS even seem to give more and more signals of moving away from consoles.

If internet connections ever become good enough in a majority of homes a streaming future could 100% be possible, people don't buy blu-rays/physical 4Ks at the rate they stream movies and games could end up the same with only collectors like myself getting neat editions of old movies on blu and shit. But a much stronger internet is required for people to switch like that than what is required for movies.

 

[Dory16]

Well, I feel like a good interviewer would have asked Phil the question, that if PC is the best ecosystem and exclusivity doesn't matter... why even make a new console? What's the point of offering an alternative to the "best ecosystem for gaming"??? I think perception is part of what drives this stuff, I still remember people saying they had to buy a PS3 to play GTA IV because they didn't realize it was coming to 360, the same can be said for people thinking they need a Series X for Halo, and they bank on it.

You put best ecosystem in gaming within quotes, would you mind posting a link to that article? Because I think you are making up statements, attributing them to Phil Spencer and then criticising what you made up.
Since you seem desperate to know however, MS makes consoles so people who want to play games at high fidelity without spending 2 grands on a rig have a chance to do so. I hope that helps.

 

[tryDEATH]

Sony fucked up just as badly with PS3, with the infamous PSN hack on top of it.

Games keep their brand going.

Seriously...

Not the messaging lmfao, Xbox presentation sounded like a TiVo presentation not a gaming system, PS3 downfall was price as soon as they addressed that they were cleared to compete again and the PSN hack happened in 2011 6 years into the generation and 2 years from this generation.

Xbox 360 had the better games, Xbox One had a better exclusive game launch year, yet it lost to the system with the inferior games during the PS3 era, and the PS4, which had a weaker exclusive launch year when it comes to games, but it still out sold the Xbox One. The difference was price and power, you can drop the charade that exclusive games have such an instrumental impact on console sales, because they simply don't.

Its only in the minds of hardcore fanboys that it plays such a huge role that they ignore all the other factors blindly.

 

[Dory16]

I don't blame them at all.
I've been saying that moving this way is their best option, IF they just go full 3rd party.

And contrary to popular believe, I would have absolutely no problem with them being a 3rd party and even sub to GP if it were available on Playstation to play some of their games.

The mumbojumbo was directed at those that think they take this proconsumer stance because they are so caring.

I think they probably care more than if they didn’t care enough to allow Halo Infinite to run on Xbox One. They could chose not to. You haven’t proven that it’s out of necessity.

 

[Psykodad]

I don’t honk they probably care more than if they didn’t care enough to allow Halo Infinite to run on Xbox One. They could chose not to. You haven’t proven that it’s out of necessity.

Going from ~90M sales to ~50M sales is all the prove you need.
And that's rounding sales numbers up.

 

[JustP_Gaming]

Why not become a 3rd party and put GamePass on Playstation and Nintendo then?

Thats probably the plan.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

You put best ecosystem in gaming within quotes, would you mind posting a link to that article? Because I think you are making up statements, attributing them to Phil Spencer and then criticising what you made up.
Since you seem desperate to know however, MS makes consoles so people who want to play games at high fidelity without spending 2 grands on a rig have a chance to do so. I hope that helps.

I put it in quotes because I'm dubious on the idea that such an idea is true, I wasn't quoting Phil, I was quoting people engaged in this SPIRITED DEBATE. I did not DISTRIBUTE a quote to anyone and you can't prove I did.

I'm not desperate to know, I said a good interviewer would ask him.

 

[Vasto]

the delusion is real

The salt is real.

 

[tryDEATH]

I don't blame them at all.
I've been saying that moving this way is their best option, IF they just go full 3rd party.

And contrary to popular believe, I would have absolutely no problem with them being a 3rd party and even sub to GP if it were available on Playstation to play some of their games.

The mumbojumbo was directed at those that think they take this proconsumer stance because they are so caring.

All businesses do everything they do to get your money, but at this point MS is doing everything right to get your money and scolding them unnecessarily for it, it just come across as jaded.

None the less, nice chat as I think we both brought our points across.

I would just suggest that as members of a gaming forum we got to stop looking at everything they say as being directed towards us, because 99% of the time they aren't, but are aimed at your casual gamer who does benefit from these sort of goodwill gesture that are extended from multi-billion company's and we should embrace them as much as we can, because the moment they stop doing it we are all fucked.

 

[Dory16]

I put it in quotes because I'm dubious on the idea that such an idea is true, I wasn't quoting Phil, I was quoting people engaged in this SPIRITED DEBATE. I did not DISTRIBUTE a quote to anyone and you can't prove I did.

I'm not desperate to know, I said a good interviewer would ask him.

My bad if you were quoting someone else than Phil. Just like you, I don’t subscribe to the argument made by that person. PC gaming at 4K is too costly in comparison to consoles.

 

[Tulipanzo]

The salt is real.

Too bad the trailer ran at sub-4K 24fps, and that HB2 won't use that engine.
Seriously, that was a fine teaser, but we need more next-gen stuff shown from MS, which is why what Phil is saying here is so disappointing.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

My bad if you were quoting someone else than Phil. Just like you, I don’t subscribe to the argument made by that person. PC gaming at 4K is too costly in comparison to consoles.

I agree I just don't know that I agree forfeiting exclusives is smart, and I don't just mean letting PC gamers have access to them, I don't like their strategy, even if it lasts a year, of making games run on the entire XBOX family and will never believe scalability is that powerful because it never has been in any past generation. He brings up PC scalability but look at the MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS for say Doom Eternal on PC... the MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS are a PC with much better specs than consoles capable of running the game. I mean, technically you can play the game below minimum but once you're going below minimums oof... look at Red Dead 2 on PC for another example. I'm just sad that amidst the rhetoric we can't admit these games will do things on new hardware that old hardware can't do, it's not just framerates and resolutions, the Medium being a perfect example of a game impossible to play on a prior generation console as said by the devs themselves.

 

[Vasto]

Too bad the trailer ran at sub-4K 24fps, and that HB2 won't use that engine.
Seriously, that was a fine teaser, but we need more next-gen stuff shown from MS, which is why what Phil is saying here is so disappointing.

Does not matter what Rez or FPS it ran in. Was it too bad that every PS5 game shown was 30 FPS? I thought so.

That trailer looks better than anything shown so far from PS5 and even looks better than the Unreal demo from Epic.

HB2 will be using Unreal 5 so I have no idea what you are talking about. What Phil is saying is right and how gaming should be.

 

[Gavon West]

Well, I feel like a good interviewer would have asked Phil the question, that if PC is the best ecosystem and exclusivity doesn't matter... why even make a new console? What's the point of offering an alternative to the "best ecosystem for gaming"??? I think perception is part of what drives this stuff, I still remember people saying they had to buy a PS3 to play GTA IV because they didn't realize it was coming to 360, the same can be said for people thinking they need a Series X for Halo, and they bank on it.

He didnt say exclusives didnt matter. He said "D E V I C E E X C L U S I V E" . Meaning locking down E X C L U S I V E S to one singular device. He's literally backing is mantra when he says that the center of gaming should be the gamer, not the console. He's right. What is with the lack in reading comprehension on this forum?

 

[Tulipanzo]

Does not matter what Rez or FPS it ran in. Was it too bad that every PS5 game shown was 30 FPS? I thought so.

That trailer looks better than anything shown so far from PS5 and even looks better than the Unreal demo from Epic.

HB2 will be using Unreal 5 so I have no idea what you are talking about. What Phil is saying is right and how gaming should be.

Notice I never questioned its graphical qualities. Its framerate however does matter, because 24fps is not playable (it'd be fine if it was at 30 ofc). The issue is that this makes the trailer suspect, and it was "represemtative of expected performance target on SeX".
It's also on UE4, but HB2 is on UE5, which is not available to partners yet.

This was, again, a really good teaser for end 2019, but it can't be the only thing you rely on for 7 months.

It highlights your cognitive dissonance that by Phil's logic HB2, a next-gen exclusive, should not exist...

 

[Gavon West]

All true. But I think MS is going for easy. People love easy things without a hassle. Why did Netflix become so popular? You pay a reasonably cheap monthly subscription, you can watch whatever you want, whenever you want, for how long you want. Xbox is going for that with Gamepass and XCloud. For Netflix it doesn't matter which device you have...

Imagine if on July 23rd MS announces that you can subscribe for XCloud, and play Xbox on your TV, Phone, and especially the Switch or even the PS5. I honestly think this is becoming a real possibility... The statements line up.

They have been saying things like their competition being Stadia, not Sony.
They are talking about not excluding anyone from their platform.
They are talking about games available for both Xbox One and Xbox Series X.
They have been saying their console sales are not really that important initially.

If they announce that on July 23rd, the world is going to explode. Even PS5 people would be able to play Xbox games. The Xbox console would be for the ones that don't want to deal with cloud hassle and want the highest quality possible.

They arent going to put Xcloud or GP on PS5 or Switch. They've already said they arent going to continue to put their games on the competition. Xcloud is fundamentally the answer to getting their games and services on other devices. Its gives them access to over a potential 2 billion gamers. Sony and Nintendo fans have smart phones, smart TV's, tablets and the like. That's how they get around putting their services and games on other consoles. That doesnt include PC and Steam.

 

[Dory16]

I see your point but personally I’m all for choice. It would be a problem if Bloober team had not been able to make the Medium on XSX. They were allowed to. And Ubi has been allowed to make Valhalla which is cross gen.
There may be one 1st party game or 2 that will need to be gimped in order to exist on Xbox One but it’s certainly not the majority. I don’t believe that those 2 games would have justified putting a console upgrade paywall on all XSX games. Especially when your strategy is game pass, you need as few device barriers as possible, nevertheless they acknowledge that after 2 years those will be unavoidable.
What would convince me of what you’re saying is if a third party dev out there made a game PS5 only because on Xbox it wouldn’t run on Xbox One. But that is impossible because there is no cross gen mandate on 3rd party devs.
MS’s approach is not without any compromise but it’s objectively beneficial for both the majority of their install base and for themselves.

 

[Vasto]

Notice I never questioned its graphical qualities. Its framerate however does matter, because 24fps is not playable (it'd be fine if it was at 30 ofc). The issue is that this makes the trailer suspect, and it was "represemtative of expected performance target on SeX".
It's also on UE4, but HB2 is on UE5, which is not available to partners yet.

This was, again, a really good teaser for end 2019, but it can't be the only thing you rely on for 7 months.

It highlights your cognitive dissonance that by Phil's logic HB2, a next-gen exclusive, should not exist...

The frame rate was perfect for a cinematic trailer and they nailed it. It shows the level of cinematics that Series X owners can expect to get from their games. Compared to any other cinematic trailer shown for any other platform nothing can compare.

As for what Phil is talking about I am not going to even touch on it because its common sense and has already been explained in this thread.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Yea, it's odd how many people are okay with anti consumer moves when it benefits their favorite console. Like a game thats an updated version of the ps4 game with new content being marketed as "ps5 only" but I'm sure can be played on ps4 in some capacity, and the fans are okay with that? Just odd to me.

The way you use anti consumer here makes me think that having to pay for anything ever and a whole host of other common sense stuff is something you also consider anti consumer.

 

[Foxtrot91]

Wh

That does not somehow mean that the hardware was bad. It was too expensive because you were forced to buy a Kinect with the console. That's a wrong business decision and wrong pricing. Not 'bad hardware'. Yes, it was weaker than the PS4. But I never heard anyone say the Switch had bad hardware because it is weaker than both the Xbox One or the PS4.

What he is trying to say is switch games don’t release on pc while almost all 3rd party games for Xbox were also on PC and that’s why it was bad hardware. Switch doesn’t limit games because switch aren’t multi plat to begin with.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

i don’t think we are just ready for a PSNOW future yet. The ISPs are just garbage. A lot of people in the US don’t even have access to more than one. And the speeds they provide? Ugh

Well if they port PS3 titles to PS5/PS4/PC. When they release on Ps Now they would be downloadable. Its a big enough market. Im from New York. I had verizon fios. Right now im in Minnesota with like 30MB/s its honestly enough.

Why would Sony release a downgraded port of a PS5 exclusive to release it on PS4 after a year?
Would make absolutely no sense whatsoever.

They even stated that they want a fast and smooth user adoption to next-gen.

To recoup money. Its doubtful any exclusive title on launch would be overwhelmingly profitable. Plus I have a firm believe Sony will eventually will release a portable PS4 with a screen. PS4Go.

This has a intel 10-gen Cpu. Sony can probably use 5nm for what would be a 10 year old APU.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Not the messaging lmfao, Xbox presentation sounded like a TiVo presentation not a gaming system, PS3 downfall was price as soon as they addressed that they were cleared to compete again and the PSN hack happened in 2011 6 years into the generation and 2 years from this generation.

Xbox 360 had the better games, Xbox One had a better exclusive game launch year, yet it lost to the system with the inferior games during the PS3 era, and the PS4, which had a weaker exclusive launch year when it comes to games, but it still out sold the Xbox One. The difference was price and power, you can drop the charade that exclusive games have such an instrumental impact on console sales, because they simply don't.

Its only in the minds of hardcore fanboys that it plays such a huge role that they ignore all the other factors blindly.

What caused the initial damage to the Xbox One

TV, TV, TV instead of games
DRM: You have to be online to play your GAMES

 

[Hobbygaming]

Does not matter what Rez or FPS it ran in. Was it too bad that every PS5 game shown was 30 FPS? I thought so.

That trailer looks better than anything shown so far from PS5 and even looks better than the Unreal demo from Epic.

HB2 will be using Unreal 5 so I have no idea what you are talking about. What Phil is saying is right and how gaming should be.

We haven't seen gameplay. Hopefully it looks close to the trailer

 

[Dodkrake]

The salt is real.

An engine trailer likely running on a PC and at 24Fps doesn't leave me salty. Actually, even if it was 60FPS 4K. It's just that you're objectively delusional.

 

[Qudrat Rabbi]

Well if they port PS3 titles to PS5/PS4/PC. When they release on Ps Now they would be downloadable. Its a big enough market. Im from New York. I had verizon fios. Right now im in Minnesota with like 30MB/s its honestly enough.

To recoup money. Its doubtful any exclusive title on launch would be overwhelmingly profitable. Plus I have a firm believe Sony will eventually will release a portable PS4 with a screen. PS4Go.

This has a intel 10-gen Cpu. Sony can probably use 5nm for what would be a 10 year old APU.

The download thing works cause those are ps4 games running on ps4. When you download them to PC, they will most likely have to port it over. I'm not sure how much they will put into that lol .believe it or not you have better than the average speed in the US even at 30MB/s. US average is about 22MB/s. And that doesn't even consider data caps. So I would say end of this gen it might happen, with both Sony and Microsoft going that route. We are not ready just yet which is fucked up cause its 2020 and people are still getting sub 25MB speeds. Portable PS4 sounds awesome! sign me up

 

[FacelessSamurai]

I don't blame them at all.
I've been saying that moving this way is their best option, IF they just go full 3rd party.

And contrary to popular believe, I would have absolutely no problem with them being a 3rd party and even sub to GP if it were available on Playstation to play some of their games.

The mumbojumbo was directed at those that think they take this proconsumer stance because they are so caring.

That prosumer stance you talk about is simple; they have Gamepass and they need to keep supporting it with big hitters even while there is a transition to next gen as a majority of those 10 million subscribers are on Xbox One and might not switch right away yet you have to keep supporting them as well as probably quite a few people on PC that might run more mid range hardware. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you, it’s simple to understand! And they aren’t enforcing anyone to do it, they are only doing it with first party games for the time being and it makes sense as no game at launch has been developed to fully take advantage of next gen; only a fool would believe otherwise and we’ve had several generations of games being available on both previous/new gen to show us exactly that.

And It’s not out of necessity because they aren’t competitive like you seem to imply, and they will never be heading third party, and no, you won’t have Game pass or xCloud on PS5. Even Switch is a stretch at this point to get xCloud to be honest, there are far more people with cellphones or tablets than Switch.

You keep pushing your PS fanboy narrative of “MS needs to die or go third party” but no amount of BS coming out of your mouth will change that. You are worse than Patchter at predicting things seriously, just stop!

 

[Tulipanzo]

The frame rate was perfect for a cinematic trailer and they nailed it. It shows the level of cinematics that Series X owners can expect to get from their games. Compared to any other cinematic trailer shown for any other platform nothing can compare.

As for what Phil is talking about I am not going to even touch on it because its common sense and has already been explained in this thread.

Cinematics don't run at 24fps! It's a way to reduce rendering load, which is again why that trailer is rather suspect. It was "expected target visuals", yet people like you disingenuously pretend it's real gameplay.

I get to some MS is untouchsble, and has to do nothing at all to win them, but people in the real world need a bit more than that. Again, teaser drop was great, but you can't feed on that for 7 months given its obvious shortcomings.

And again, when given ample opportunity to explain what you and Spencer mean, you run away from discussion, which seems all too common on this thread.

 

[tryDEATH]

What caused the initial damage to the Xbox One

TV, TV, TV instead of games
DRM: You have to be online to play your GAMES

You can't recover from this, its a TiVo ad.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Oh really? How exactly was the Xbox One hardware bad? Because strength wise it is still more powerful than a Switch.

That’s not really saying much. The general consensus was the Xbox One was noticeably weaker spec-wise than the PS4 and it was more expensive. Xbox One struggled to even hit 1080p resolution and many of the multiplatform ports from PS4 had to be toned down to run properly.

 

[Hobbygaming]

You can't recover from this, its a TiVo ad.

Exactly, and what did the people want to see? That's right, you guessed it... games

 

[SlimySnake]

unfortunately I think he is this clueless

Phil has been with Xbox for a long time, head of studios throughout late 360 and Xbox one era when there were no exclusives at all

anyone who says console generations are an internet meme is full of shit

I expect a lot of cross gen looking stuff on the 23rd

Hellblade 2 was a cinematic trailer, we won’t get anything close to it in actual gameplay

yeah the meme comment is pure console warring. he is pre-emptively shutting down any criticism of his approach by labeling it console warring.

extremely disingenuous, but that's Phil for you.

I look at their studios and I dont think they will be showing that many cross gen games.

- Halo Infinite - crossgen. Started dev in 2015. it can be excused. of course, saying its natively built for the xsx is a bald face shameful lie to appease their base, but again thats MS for you.
- Everwild - crossgen. shouldve been a next gen only game since they last launched a game AFTER bluepoint launched sotc, but what do i know.
- Fable - I dont think this is cross gen. they likely only started working on this after shipping horizon in october 2018.
- Forza 8 - i dont think this is cross gen either. they said they were taking a year off because it was getting samey and they did. it came out the same year as gt sport and if PD can make a next gen only sequel in 3 years, these guys can as well.
- Initiative - this is definitely next gen since its been confirmed by insiders that it wont be at the conference.
- Coalition games - they last shipped a game 8 months ago, this is definitely a next gen game. like a teaser like hellblade 2.
- hellblade 2 - clearly a next gen game even if the teaser is pre-rendered.
- state of decay 3 - came out soon after sea of thieves but it wasnt shown at the x019 event like everwild so its possible its a next gen only game.
- crackdown dev team - released a game early last year - no way they are working on a cross gen game.

i think we get maybe 2-3 cross gen AAA games max. everything else will be either indie or from third party studios like dying light. shinobi has been hinting at a pretty insane lineup of games and i dont think hes stupid enough to pimp a show with cross gen games.

i think phil is out there saying stupid shit like this because at launch, he wont have a next gen game besides forza. at most likely wont have anything until 2022. i dont see which of these studios can get a game out by holiday 2021 which is not going to be a good look considering sony should have Spiderman Miles, Ratchet, GT7, Horizon and Demon Souls out by then.

i guess what im saying is that he doesnt believe his own bullshit.

 

[MasterCornholio]

The frame rate was perfect for a cinematic trailer and they nailed it. It shows the level of cinematics that Series X owners can expect to get from their games. Compared to any other cinematic trailer shown for any other platform nothing can compare.

As for what Phil is talking about I am not going to even touch on it because its common sense and has already been explained in this thread.

I actually prefer the Unreal Engine demo because they were manipulating it while it was running on a PS5.

I'm still looking forward to an actual gameplay demonstration of HB2 to see how much better it looks then the trailer they showed us.

 

[Klayzer]

I already explained why. PS1 + PS2 + PS3

Gamers knew the great games were coming

I guess he wants to pretend gamers chose PlayStation for some other reasons rather than the most obvious reasons.

 

[MisterXDTV]

 

[tryDEATH]

Exactly, and what did the people want to see? That's right, you guessed it... games

There were games, some really good games, but their messaging, direction, and pricing for the Xbox One were atrocious and overshadowed everything else. Some of their ideas were simply ahead of their time, but the TV centric approach killed the console, to a point of no return.

 

[Hobbygaming]

I guess he wants to pretend gamers chose PlayStation for some other reasons rather than the most obvious reasons.

Yep exactly, denial is tough sometimes

 

[Hobbygaming]

There were games, some really good games, but their messaging, direction, and pricing for the Xbox One were atrocious and overshadowed everything else. Some of their ideas were simply ahead of their time, but the TV centric approach killed the console, to a point of no return.

If games were the major focus from the start, Kinect and TV TV TV would've never happened

 

[SlimySnake]

He didnt say exclusives didnt matter. He said "D E V I C E E X C L U S I V E" . Meaning locking down E X C L U S I V E S to one singular device. He's literally backing is mantra when he says that the center of gaming should be the gamer, not the console. He's right. What is with the lack in reading comprehension on this forum?

He meant X B O X D E V I C E E X C L U S I V E.

if he meant device exclusive, he would be launching Halo on PS5, PS4 and switch.

 

[Gavon West]

He meant X B O X D E V I C E E X C L U S I V E.

if he meant device exclusive, he would be launching Halo on PS5, PS4 and switch.

Clearly hes including Xcloud as that will be released near or, at the same time as Series X. Xcloud includes other devices - excluding Switch and PS5, naturally.

 

[tryDEATH]

If games were the major focus from the start, Kinect and TV TV TV would've never happened

Games weren't the focus, which was the horrible misstep, but that doesn't mean there weren't games.

People got turned of by messaging, that inexcusable price tag due to the Kinect, and then the less powerful hardware.

It was a triple threat of disasters that condemn the console.