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[geordiemp]

The question I have for MS pricing model is normally the console makers subsidise the console and made that subsidy back on full price game sales through the store.

Now Microsoft is subsiding game pass and software on it as well.

Does the market expect MS to both subsidise the console and then subsidise the software ?

Lets wait and see, I have my doubts.

 

[hemo memo]

The average consumer isn’t dumb, contrary to popular belief. Your average consumer will know a XSS isn’t to XSX what PS5 DE is to PS5.

We will see. Price has a big impact and we see that every gen. Glad I don’t have the conflict of which console to buy first even if price is higher (PS5).

 

[Wraith Phantom]

Sony Pictures Imageworks Vs Quixel, Decima Vs Unreal Engine. I think Sony should really consider that, and even have people from around the globe to contribute to the assets library and them licensed/sold to Sony for a fee or have a cut from every user used them would make many freelancers/professionals contribute into enlarging and surpassing the quixel megascans, if not already bigger as Imageworks been around since 27 years!

hmm Decima I can see being possible released to public. But its going to be a hard sell. I don't see Sony pictures opening up anything. Im very sure they will keep that closed to maintain their hollywood business. That is all in house solutions. There is no need for them to open up their assets to public only to be undercut by competition in Hollywood later on. Sony/PS division should of bought up quixel. Cant have anything.

I think Sony more worried about hollywood market. They bought up Atom View(which is pretty much the UE5 demo on roids) a few years back. So they are going to push that & get Unreal out of hollywood. Just as they did pushing out the competition with their cameras into hollywood.

 

[Bryank75]

The question I ahve for MS pricing model is normally the console makers subsidise the console and made that subsidy back on full price game sales through the store.

Now Microsoft is subsiding game pass and software on it as well.

Does the market expect MS to both subsidise the console and then subsidise the software ?

Lets wait and see, I have my doubts.

They are trying a loss-leader strategy to get people on board..... the thing is, some people think that will continue indefinitely, when it is only viable short-term. When Game Pass and other prices go up suddenly, then there will be an outrage.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

With this coming up on 30 million views soon...



and what I hear from my local Gamestop manager, this isn't going to be close.

I also expect PS5 DE pricing to be very aggressive. More aggressive than most expect.

This isn't going to be close to what exactly, curious

 

[Bryank75]

This isn't going to be close to what exactly, curious

In terms of sales, I expect both to sell out at launch though (SX & PS5)

 

[whoever81]

I think people are underestimating how much consumers are going to resist digital only consoles.
If Sony hikes the price of the disc console to push the discless console sales, it will backfire.

What are you talking about? I bet the digital only will sell more than the disc one. I am certainly getting the digital. Say bye bye to drives!

 

[Bo_Hazem]

hmm Decima I can see being possible released to public. But its going to be a hard sell. I don't see Sony pictures opening up anything. Im very sure they will keep that closed to maintain their hollywood business. That is all in house solutions. There is no need for them to open up their assets to public only to be undercut by competition in Hollywood later on. Sony/PS division should of bought up quixel. Cant have anything.

I think Sony more worried about hollywood market. They bought up Atom view a few years back. So they are going to push that & get Unreal out of hollywood. Just as they did pushing out the comp with their cams into hollywood.

But for Hollywood, things are priced differently. Even for UE & Quixel. So I'm not sure if that will hurt their Hollywood business, but having extra money would help them even expand their assets library, and can easily surpass Quixel with their tech as they can afford 16K assets for future proofing and even superior 8K assets with bigger sensors (IMAX) with their CineAlta cams. It's cheaper for them as they already have their cameras in house.

I would love Quixel to be open for small studios as well, we want those indies to thrive in next gen, and I would rather have Sony do the same. Selling for Hollywood, NASA etc is a 100% different business for the same assets or Epic Games would've driven Imageworks to bankruptcy.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

In terms of sales, I expect both to sell out at launch though (SX & PS5)

Well didn't both PS4 and Xbox One run out of stock at launch? both consoles were literally sold out right? the gap started to increase gradually. But at launch window/month both consoles were sold out. Same could be the case with PS5 and Series X

 

[Neo Blaster]

They are trying a loss-leader strategy to get people on board..... the thing is, some people think that will continue indefinitely, when it is only viable short-term. When Game Pass and other prices go up suddenly, then there will be an outrage.

MS is probably counting on people getting so used to the service to the point they cannot come back to the old model of buying all their games and agree to pay a higher fee.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

If they outsell PlayStation, they will proudly disclose the sales numbers again.

So never.

 

[saintjules]

Haven't seen any of the major insiders even hint at the possibility of pre-order or another Sony announcement coming in today. Still early I guess, but Amazon are starting to show more listings now:



My prediction is that they'll announce pre-orders go live tomorrow (Tuesday) and give whatever info on the pricing to go along with the tweet/announcement.

 

[Moridianae]

Do we have a rough estimate of when they are supposed to drop that info? This afternoon?

 

[saintjules]

Do we have a rough estimate of when they are supposed to drop that info? This afternoon?

The current claim:

 

[Just_one]

if the annoucement is today i would say the pre-orders would start on wednesday or maximum on friday.

gives every retail around the globe time to update everything in time for the pre-order launch

 

[Darklor01]

The current claim:

While I have no idea, a Monday at this time with no media announcement just feels so damn random to me. Anyone else?

 

[Just_one]

While I have no idea, a Monday at this time with no media announcement just feels so damn random to me. Anyone else?

the controller annoucement came out of nowhere , also you need to make a big teaser about it.

there is enough hype in the air for sony to just make a blog post about it and break the internet

 

[Deleted member 775630]

The question I have for MS pricing model is normally the console makers subsidise the console and made that subsidy back on full price game sales through the store.

Now Microsoft is subsiding game pass and software on it as well.

Does the market expect MS to both subsidise the console and then subsidise the software ?

Lets wait and see, I have my doubts.

This is pure guessing of you. You have no idea if their business model is already profitable or not.

 

[Darklor01]

the controller annoucement came out of nowhere , also you need to make a big teaser about it.

there is enough hype in the air for sony to just make a blog post about it and break the internet

Arount the Internet, I'm reading some posts from random places that agree with what you're saying. They're saying that they may just put up a blog post announcing you can go pre-order. Thing for me is, they usually do things like that on Tuesdays. I hope they do it today. I just want to pre-order and be done with it.

 

[splattered]

Wrong quote.. ha coffee.

 

[splattered]

They are trying a loss-leader strategy to get people on board..... the thing is, some people think that will continue indefinitely, when it is only viable short-term. When Game Pass and other prices go up suddenly, then there will be an outrage.

Yeah for sure... can't wait for MS to randomly double the price of Gamepass out of nowhere and blow people out of the water.

Every service goes up a bit over time... that's just common sense.

Gotta love the panic FUD all over this board as we inch closer and closer to the 23rd.

People throwing darts in every direction hoping something foul sticks.

 

[Neo Blaster]

The current claim:

That guy is really putting his ass on the line, the roasting would be huge.

 

[saintjules]

That guy is really putting his ass on the line, the roasting would be huge.

Oh 100% agree on that.

 

[splattered]

That guy is really putting his ass on the line, the roasting would be huge.

Doesn't he already have a terrible track record?

I'd love the PS5 preorders to go live today, but i wouldn't be on this dude's info.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

This is pure guessing of you. You have no idea if their business model is already profitable or not.

Lets be real gamepass is too good of a deal to be profitable, and they're certainly not confident in telling anyone how its doing publicly

 

[Brudda26]

Doesn't he already have a terrible track record?

I'd love the PS5 preorders to go live today, but i wouldn't be on this dude's info.

The ps5erebus guy yes but the guy who saying ps5 preorders or announcement for the pre orders has a okay track record. He is the one who initially said the ps5 event date I beleive.

 

[saintjules]

While I have no idea, a Monday at this time with no media announcement just feels so damn random to me. Anyone else?

I'd agree as well. Still, things like showing the Dualsense Controller out of nowhere leaves the room for possibility.

3:30pm ET sounds more like an announcement that something goes live the next day and not the within the same day. If pre-orders go live today than an announcement would be made before 1PM ET, but that's just me on it.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

I'm going to have like 5 browsers open and my card on hand.

Let's do this.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Lets be real gamepass is too good of a deal to be profitable, and they're certainly not confident in telling anyone how its doing publicly

It has 10 million subscribers, and the Xbox division is profitable. They also have 90million XBL users but they are also not saying how much that is generating, I think they just don't go into that much detail if they don't have to. I'm not saying Game Pass is already profitably, just that it might be.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

It has 10 million subscribers, and the Xbox division is profitable. They also have 90million XBL users but they are also not saying how much that is generating, I think they just don't go into that much detail if they don't have to. I'm not saying Game Pass is already profitably, just that it might be.

10 million subscribers doesn't tell us much. How many of those are actually active subscribers that stayed on past the 1$ deal?

Most likely no where near that 10 million. The likliehood that they're earning more thsn they burn os pretty low

 

[jasondefaoite]

It has 10 million subscribers, and the Xbox division is profitable. They also have 90million XBL users but they are also not saying how much that is generating, I think they just don't go into that much detail if they don't have to. I'm not saying Game Pass is already profitably, just that it might be.

Have they actually disclosed profits, or just revenue?

PlayStation, revenue 5.7B, profit, 484M.
Xbox .. revenue, 2.4B, profit/loss?

 

[scie]

4 times the weight? Seems a little bit odd

 

[Neo Blaster]

It has 10 million subscribers, and the Xbox division is profitable. They also have 90million XBL users but they are also not saying how much that is generating, I think they just don't go into that much detail if they don't have to. I'm not saying Game Pass is already profitably, just that it might be.

That number of users must have a huge variation, considering how they do those $1-month promotions and all those snack, deodorant, bubble gum and other bundles.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

I'm going to have like 5 browsers open and my card on hand.

Let's do this.

 

[Just_one]

4 times the weight? Seems a little bit odd

i think he corrected that and said thos weights are with box

 

[Ellery]

That sounds wrong. Very wrong. Like stupidly wrong wrong.

There is no enjoyment in holding a 2 pound controller

 

[Thirty7ven]

90 million XBL users is such a useless misleading number.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

4 times the weight? Seems a little bit odd

This cannot be true.

That is way too heavy to be real.

Edit: Says its the Box weight. Controller weight should be around 0.61 lbs.

 

[FranXico]

This cannot be true.

That is way too heavy to be real.

That indeed sounds wrong. That weight is too high.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

10 million subscribers doesn't tell us much. How many of those are actually active subscribers that stayed on past the 1$ deal?

Most likely no where near that 10 million. The likliehood that they're earning more thsn they burn os pretty low

They said 10 million subscribers, wouldn't that be active? A person isn't subscribed anymore if they don't pay. And they said they currently had 10 million subscribers, which means in the present. When Netflix says subscribers, they also mean active, the same goes for Spotify. So pretty sure those 10 million were active subscribers.

That number of users must have a huge variation, considering how they do those $1-month promotions and all those snack, deodorant, bubble gum and other bundles.

You are welcome to give me the exact break-down if you have it. Even if a lot of people would have gotten that $1 deal, they would've still needed to get XBL for that. Which goes best case for $45 a year.

 

[Neo Blaster]

i think he corrected that and said thos weights are with box

Must have Abby's arms just to hold the controller.

 

[Tiago07]

4 times the weight? Seems a little bit odd

 

[Bo_Hazem]

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[Dabaus]

IF, big if here, Sony does announce the price today then id say they feel good about getting ahead of Microsoft which leads me to believe the disc less will be 399. Or they just dont care and do 449 for the discless. Regardless of what the disc less price will be i think the disc drive one will be 499, if it even happens today.

 

[Arkam]

I'm going to have like 5 browsers open and my card on hand.

Let's do this.

Nah, man. Get yo shit in google/chrome so you just have to enter the security code. Huge time saver.

Also make sure you have accounts at all places you want to try and pre-order from so you already have your shipping/billing details entered.

 

[ZywyPL]

90 million XBL users is such a useless misleading number.

Why? It means 90MLN people are playing over XBL on a monthly basis, what's misleading there?

I think the devs are well aware of the upcoming Ampere performance and just didn't held back when it comes to utilizing RT, and that rumored 4x RT performance vs Turing will indeed turn out to be true. And I bet NV had something to do it as well, to force people to buy new GPUs if they really want a decent performance with RT on.

4 times the weight? Seems a little bit odd

I think the DS will come with a huge ass built-in battery, either because Sony likes to exaggerate after people's complaints, or because all that fancy tech will suck up the battery life like crazy. Or a mix of both.

 

[sircaw]

Not getting my hopes up for any announcement today but lets see.

My 3 levels of possible pricing going by internet chatter:

Low = $349(DE), $399(Disc)
Expected = $399(DE), $499(Disc)
High = $449(DE), $549(Disc)

I like your udders.

 

[sircaw]

4 times the weight? Seems a little bit odd

Brick edition.

 

[saintjules]

 

[Entroyp]

Dualsense is almost 1 Kilo? What?