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[ErRor88]

Well, the last few pages are interesting. Also, leaks suggest RDNA 2 has 3 variants. One of which is revamped RDNA 1. PS5 could be a variant of that with graphs of RDNA 2 for RT and the tempest engine.

I guess we will find out in August if Mark Cenry does the hardware breakdown. Also, it was suspect as Richard from DF keeps stating and using 5700 when referring to the PS5.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Well if the blue guy gets his hands on this you can be sure it's going to spread like wildfire. And if anything the engineer said is breaking NDA it could cost him his job and he could get sued for it.

Now you were you trying to help by sharing a confidential message with us?

Or you know he has faked the message and will get caught . Who knows.

 

[Kerlurk]

Wait till next week then?

With this leak, im feeling even more confident for Series X to much outdo PS5 in visuals and performance.

Yeah will see. It should be interesting.

My prediction is that games will look unsurprising amazing on both systems.

 

[longdi]

Lol I m here next week after your cross gen event to remind you . Enjoy playing on x1x2 bud

Yes i have to admit cross-gen will be a thing more on Series X than PS5.
However the stronger Series X should show its true power soon.

As i have said, it is down to the prices.
Sony have to undercut MS, at least from a hardware performance pov. If not DF faceoff will look bad to core gamers...

 

[longdi]

Yeah will see. It should be interesting.

My prediction is that games will look unsurprising amazing on both.

Coming from DLSS2.0, ML supersampling could hold the key for MS to open a gap than what the TF shows (variable clocks and all).

 

[SlimySnake]

Lol I m here next week after your cross gen event to remind you . Enjoy playing on x1x2 bud oops I meant xsx .my bad

lol you are way too overconfident about this.

I am taking a more cautious approach. I think Uncle Phil is just fucking with us, and he will have a bunch of next gen games to show at the conference. Dont forget he showed Quantum Break, Halo 5 and crackdown like 3 years before launch. TBH, i really hope he does because im tired of just one single publisher making games i want to play.

I also think where there is smoke there is fire. the github leaks are proof of that. I would ask everyone to remain calm just in case. everything will be revealed come launch.

 

[Agnostic2020]

lol you are way too overconfident about this.

I am taking a more cautious approach. I think Uncle Phil is just fucking with us, and he will have a bunch of next gen games to show at the conference. Dont forget he showed Quantum Break, Halo 5 and crackdown like 3 years before launch. TBH, i really hope he does because im tired of just one single publisher making games i want to play.

I also think where there is smoke there is fire. the github leaks are proof of that. I would ask everyone to remain calm just in case. everything will be revealed come launch.

I m confident cause I heard few things . Be here next week as it will be fun .

 

[pasterpl]

Lisa su or bunch of xbox fanboys who haven't played a video games in god knows how long

You are losing your cool, interesting

 

[Dodkrake]

So, the 14 year olds are at it again. We have a supposed ps5 engineer breaking NDA on twitter and everybody thinks whatever he says is legit, when it contradicts the system architect and Lisa from AMD. Of course this is just in time for MS show on the Xbox Series X.

I swear some people are just barely functioning idiots.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Or you know he has faked the message and will get caught . Who knows.

I honestly hope that nobody gets in trouble over this. But I also hope that he wasn't faking it as well. It would really ruin his credibility as a developer if it was faked.

 

[Agnostic2020]

I honestly hope that nobody gets in trouble over this. But I also hope that he wasn't faking it as well. It would really ruin his credibility as a developer if it was faked.

A guy would not break NDA in PM. Its comical to think someone would and go against cerny and Lisa su and say its not rdna 2 its rdna 1.5 or whatever. Thats literally unheard of. Either the guy doesn't work at sony and its another fake linked in/twitter they created (which unfortunately they have done before ) or the whole conversation is fake and created by the app that does this .

 

[Agnostic2020]

You are losing your cool, interesting

Xbox fans are different than xbox fanboys . The fanboys are running around trying to create fake shit as seen in this thread and not playing video games. Xbox fans are different story and don't give a fuck about ps or creating fake thing about it . They just play their games on their console of choice.

Same story for ps fanboys and ps fans.

I have literally not seen anyone make fake news about xsx in this thread and create fud. Yet we see this behaviour over and over and over again from few xbox fanboys . Rdna 1 discussions and fake fud has been brought up at keast 4 times in past 6 months .

It gets tiring and as you see it derails the whole thread .

 

[Kerlurk]

As i have said, it is down to the prices.

I doubt it. Sony can charge the same price (and I strongly think they should, as it's good marketing indicating your at the same level), and will easily outsell MS 2:1 to 3:1 this upcoming generation. The hardcore gamer is a tiny faction of the market, and the number of people who watch DF and are swayed by them is equally tiny.

Xbox already has a huge performance advantage this generation, and have had it for almost three years now.

So much hope on a greater performance difference for this upcoming generation.

The truly hardcore who are hung up on performance, don't get a Xbox, but get a PC.

 

[Thirty7ven]

So, the 14 year olds are at it again. We have a supposed ps5 engineer breaking NDA on twitter and everybody thinks whatever he says is legit, when it contradicts the system architect and Lisa from AMD. Of course this is just in time for MS show on the Xbox Series X.

I swear some people are just barely functioning idiots.

I respect how formidable the swarm is. It’s a take no prisoners approach, it’s Trump’s playbook. Say whatever you want people to believe in, say it loud and say it proud.

I for one am taking a break from this thread and any other specs thread. Tired of the bullshit.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Loved the concern trolling over the last few pages of the thread

 

[IkarugaDE]

I love how people Tends to read things.

If Mark Cerny had said “PS5 is RDNA2” I can see people saying “see PS5 is just RDNA2, no new functionalities, no customization, MS has done a lot of customization”

Mark Cerny said “Custom RDNA2 BASED” and here we are again with the RDNA1 FUD again.

IMO the words "custom RDNA2 based" means it is rdna2, maybe with some extra stuff. It doesn't sounds like rdna1 with some rdna2 features. What does 'based' mean? No one would say "rdna2 based" official if it's rdna1 only. Sorry, but then Cerny would lie. Can't imagine that.

 

[Ptarmiganx2]

I would agree no court would fine them over this. They are being creative with words, but they are giving accurate information. Then they let people extrapolate. But the essence of the information is truthful. And let's face it, every company does it, even Sony. The difference is that Sony is a Japanese company and they are usually more practical with their communication (nowadays, they were a shitshow in the PS3 era).

Just look at Apple and their "super retina HD + sharpness bazooka display" which is nothing more than a second grade Samsung display.

Blast I\O processing!

 

[Gediminas]

i did not read last 10 pages, but i see that we came from SSD on PS5 is over 200% faster til PS5 SSD is loosing.

i see another GPU in power brick theory at xbox side.

full circle of console life

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Amd knows less than @Gavin Stevens confirmed .

It's ridiculous how hard you are focusing on one user

 

[jose4gg]

IMO the words "custom RDNA2 based" means it is rdna2, maybe with some extra stuff. It doesn't sounds like rdna1 with some rdna2 features. What does 'based' mean? No one would say "rdna2 based" official if it's rdna1 only. Sorry, but then Cerny would lie. Can't imagine that.

Correct, just like you I assume is based on RDNA2 with extra stuff they added just like Cerny said it could happen if AMD liked the things they implemented.

 

[Ptarmiganx2]

Microsoft knows that their followers can be easily manipulated, now a new cycle of FUD is on.

Just don't mind that 11sec loading screen of State of Decay 2 on XSX.

Yes but you have to divide that 11 seconds by 2.5. Then you divide the dividend by 2.5. Then subtract the dividend from itself to arrive at 0! Because Microsoft has the “maths”.

 

[MasterCornholio]

A guy would not break NDA in PM. Its comical to think someone would and go against cerny and Lisa su and say its not rdna 2 its rdna 1.5 or whatever. Thats literally unheard of. Either the guy doesn't work at sony and its another fake linked in/twitter they created (which unfortunately they have done before ) or the whole conversation is fake and created by the app that does this .

Could this just be a setup by that discord?

Really crazy if true. But I don't think they will go this far.

 

[kensama]

It's clear now seeing the following (Misterxmedia, Blue negroho, Colt eastwood) of o'dium that he he played a double game

https://twitter.com/Gavavva/following

 

[Kerlurk]

It's clear now seeing the following (Misterxmedia, Blue negroho, Colt eastwood) of o'dium that he he played a double game

https://twitter.com/Gavavva/following

You forgot "Tom Warren".

 

[PSX]

Flip sensor is hilarious

 

[longdi]

You lot are crazy conspiracists

Gavin is gaining followers because he took the effort to jot down SFS in simpler terms.

There is nothing wrong to that.

 

[Kerlurk]

You lot are crazy conspiracists

Gavin is gaining followers because he took the effort to jot down SFS in simpler terms.

There is nothing wrong to that.

He's pointing out who he is following.

Of course, who you follow is a reflection on the person.

 

[kensama]

You forgot "Tom Warren".

List is too long and i quote only the worst mental ill persons

You lot are crazy conspiracists

Gavin is gaining followers because he took the effort to jot down SFS in simpler terms.

There is nothing wrong to that.

I don't know if your post were for me?
But in regards of what thatt guy done here with false info (and misleading) and now knowing who he is following, that's not so stupid to think this guy played with PS fans here.
Also he was vetted as a developper (that's why some here believe what he told) by moderation, but we know now that he is alone and a priori not a developer.

 

[thelastword]

A guy would not break NDA in PM. Its comical to think someone would and go against cerny and Lisa su and say its not rdna 2 its rdna 1.5 or whatever. Thats literally unheard of. Either the guy doesn't work at sony and its another fake linked in/twitter they created (which unfortunately they have done before ) or the whole conversation is fake and created by the app that does this .

Man, it makes no sense to me as well.....Someone needs to investigate these guys, because it is getting desperate and silly? In any case, how would a software algo ever eclipse a 129% hardware advantage, and this guy says he's a developer, and people defend him? Hell, even if you are an XBOX fan and want them to do better, this is not the way to go about it.....Start with the truth and argue from there...

Xbox fans are different than xbox fanboys . The fanboys are running around trying to create fake shit as seen in this thread and not playing video games. Xbox fans are different story and don't give a fuck about ps or creating fake thing about it . They just play their games on their console of choice.

Same story for ps fanboys and ps fans.

I have literally not seen anyone make fake news about xsx in this thread and create fud. Yet we see this behaviour over and over and over again from few xbox fanboys . Rdna 1 discussions and fake fud has been brought up at keast 4 times in past 6 months .

It gets tiring and as you see it derails the whole thread .

Absolutely....

 

[longdi]

He's pointing out who he is following.

Of course, who you follow is a reflection on the person.

Ok but still to think all this is some ploy is crazy.

 

[dwish]

Do people even know what ML is? What prevents running ML models on GPU compute resources? There's a big difference between creating and using ML models and I dont see any reason consoles would need to do the former. Smartphones does the latter, consoles can too.

 

[Lethal01]

I’m going to surprise a few people here I’m sure but the RDNA 1 with bits bolted on? It’s not as bad as some make out. There’s every chance that The perf p/w is on par between the two systems, and that won’t change. What would change is they would like start at a 1 base and add features back on they wanted or required, while also removing others In favour of their solutions.

That would still fit the “1.5” talk, it would still mean it’s not technically RDNA 2, it would make sense with how it was presented by AMD and how it’s been talked about etc. It may not be completely up to par with the XSX as rumoured but the perf p/w would match, I would put money on it.



Incorrect. I said XSX was RDNA 2, and it was said to me at the time (which then later came about in other sources) that ps5 was a Sort of “RDNA 1.5”, with bits bolted on for custom use.

Can I assume the missing features you mention were mesh shaders, and VRS? or is it something else/something different.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Here we go again with RDNA 1.5. Of course XSX RDNA2, of course. Peak speeds, gets hot, what else from the playbook? It’s so tired by now.

At least we got one good thing from this:



Confirmation that the ability to sample the previous frame and detect what only needs be loaded is Sampler Feedback.

The streaming bit as was stated before, relates to the texture filters responsible for blending textures that arrive late.

It also tells us that in a situation where you only need one sample (with bilinear filtering) the percentage of wasted bandwidth in that 64KB page for an 24bit output, and the other pages(for mipmaps) isn't the claimed benefit to make out that VA is on par with the IO complex..

 

[devilNprada]

custom rdna2 based' is what Cerny said.

Sony guy said inbetween rdna1 and 2.

Nothing confusing.

These are not at all saying the same thing.

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

I can only guess it may be because it’s not full rdna 2 but does share some of its features and as such is classed as it by AMD? Who knows at this point. It wouldn’t be the first time something like this has happened, and both Sony/AMD would likely look a bit behind if they came out and said it was lower than 2.

But who knows.

This is exactly why these discussions happen. Sony are a little strange with being upfront and sharing concrete details that are transparent, they are open to interpretation, even stuff like this.

Sony and amd are quite transparent and objective regarding ps5 GPU architecture. Both already confirm for a lot of occasions ps5 GPU is RDNA 2 based.. so no ambiguity here..

Only the army of xbox fanboys keep bringing FUD to the discussion questioning everything about Sony since the infamous software based RT, speed of the SSD, 9.2 teraflops, RDNA architecture, heat problems and so on...

You are the one assuming beyond what was already said multiple times but of course everybody here knows your ways since the cucu posts and Xbox fanboyism disguised of neutrality..

Of course this is also quite entertaining so keep doing the good fight and amuse us with your joke posts..

 

[SleepDoctor]

Ok but still to think all this is some ploy is crazy.

get back in the xbox discord. You've already said too much

 

[PaintTinJr]

Looking at DLSS2.0, PS5 lack of ML could be a big mistake.
MS even added extra sauce to Series X ML...

The whole point of AMD's RDNA is to move towards a "compute-first world". unnecessary GPU pipeline hardware for tasks that can be more flexibly done in Async (which PS5 like PS4 probably has a massive advantage) is just a waste of silicon (IMHO).

What you are describing is that the PS5 GPU is more future proof and more versatile.

 

[Great Hair]

lol Minecraft was running RT on Series X. MS was so confident, they provided DF with it and all the information

If they´re that confident, why remove the Minecraft RT techdemo from their xbox youtube channel?

LINK
No enemies on screen
No players on screen
No cows on screen
No nothing on screen
Low complexity assets
Cubes only
6x flat surfaces with textures
Just a camera, slowly "flying on rails" between every scene
was still laggy

His words:

"I'm legally binded to say nothing that is not already public"

The public information is RDNA2, which he is saying it's not.

Either he's breaking NDA, or is confused/guessing?

Why would an SONY Engineer (we dont know his involvement) suddenly decide to chit-chat with Odium? and not ZugeEX or Benji or that Shinobi guy (mind you, they´re all from the UK). All drinking at the same cafeteria?

Rosario Leonardi
The cool kid that make graphics research for Ps5
London, United Kingdom

This Sony Engineer worked on the following projects :

Spoiler

2013 to 2014
WRC 4 - FIA World Rally Championship
Carmageddon reincarnation

MotoGp 2013 Official MotoGp race simulation.
Oct 2012 – Present (is he still working for Milestone or did he not update this?)

Game developer
May 2010 – Apr 2013
I worked as game programmer in Milestone

Lead 3d programmer
I was responsible for the design of the next gen engine and editor.
Meanwhile I took part in the development of the new Motocross game MxGp

Graphics programmer
Stainless Games
Feb 2014 – Apr 2016
Newport, Isle of wigth, United kindom (no clue which game)
I’m the only graphics programmer at Stainless games. Brought the game from 20 fps to +60 fps.

Sony Interactive Entertainment
Principal Graphics Engineer
Jul 2018 – Present

 

[Nickolaidas]

Uh UH UH the PS5 is faster and can do more UH UH UH polygons than the Series X!!

BUH BUH BUH Series X has more Terraflops, has VFS OIEYRHOF thing, and and, and its core is RDNAFGH2, while the PS5's is RDNALJKSFDHAFDH1.9 BUH BUH BUH!!

WHO

THE FUCK

CARES?

Does the PS5 have Halo? No. Gears? No. Forza? No.

Does the Series X have Demon's Souls? No. Ratchet? No. Spider-Man? No.

You want to play Halo, Gears, Forza? Buy a Series X.

You want to play Spider-Man, Demon's Souls and Ratchet? Buy a PS5.

You want both? Buy both.

That's it.

CHRIST.

 

[cragarmi]

PS5 can do some form of ML, AMD have said it, Sony have said it. We dont know the finer details as to how, and if its implementation is as good as XSX, but the fact remains it can do, which is part of RDNA 2, as is Raytracing which is also hardware based, give it a rest ppl!

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

Amd knows less than @Gavin Stevens confirmed .

Yes we have seen lots of RDNA 2 confirmation but we must answer why that sony guy has said what he said. Maybe its what is said RDNA2 in most things but missing a few features to be full RDNA2 with their own completely custom features, all main things may be there and could be unimportant things missing but thats how its classified?

We know the clocks tell us its beyond RDNA1.

Red gaming tech said he was told to look for what sony have done in the past aka features from future architectures. With it being RDNA 2 based people assumed RDNA3 features and that may still be the case.

He says in between RDNA1 and 2 with unique bits.

We know it has RT and performance per watt inprovement so it'll have the important stuff in RDNA2. The unique bits may refer to cache scrubbers and unannounced stuff aka RDNA 3.

We also have Lisa su and amd plus cerny telling us its RDNA 2 based. So maybe just not the full way on stuff no needed.

It could do with some clarification though as it is a weird one as what could be missing thats worth having that they haven't got?

 

[kensama]

Ok but still to think all this is some ploy is crazy.

What's is craziest?
Some guys that have meeting on discord with a daily agenda to ask themselves which FUD they will spread or to think O'dium played this game here?

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

I can't believe we are back at this shit

The Xbox armada is relentless and some of good intentioned folks in here take the bait every time..

 

[Jose92]

Well what the playstation engineer is saying is not contradicting anything which has been stated before, neither the xbox sx or the ps5 have been labeled to have dedicated Ml accelerator cores like NVIDIA.

And that is what the guy is saying that ps5 doesn't have a dedicated ml cores in the SOC.

Doesnt mean that the gpu does not have rdna2 ml features which are bolted on the CU's

AMD's approach to ML And Ray tracing is different to NVIDIA's. One has added custom ml and ray tracing acceleration hardware to the CU's the other added a whole chunk of dedicated silicon to accelerate these functions.

 

[GermanZepp]

So, in the first or second wired article Cerny said something about a little hole in the dualsense. We know what it is? Or maybe I'm confused.

 

[bhunachicken]

WHO

THE FUCK

CARES?

Let's be honest: at the end of the day, console warring is really stupid. I think most just want the approval from their peers that they backed the right horse.

 

[splattered]

So what if it's really RDNA1 with additional RDNA2 features... is that even a deal breaker for any of you? You have made it abundantly clear for the last 6 months+ that you will happily pay whatever Sony charges because IT IS THE PS5 regardless of stuff like this. Just be happy with your new games and stop flailing around, it's exhausting to read all the console warring on this forum sometimes.

 

[Lethal01]

I love how people Tends to read things.

If Mark Cerny had said “PS5 is RDNA2” I can see people saying “see PS5 is just RDNA2, no new functionalities, no customization, MS has done a lot of customization”

Mark Cerny said “Custom RDNA2 BASED” and here we are again with the RDNA1 FUD again.

People are getting to hung up on the name. the point is that it doesn't have all the features of RDNA2

 

[CrysisFreak]

The Xbox armada is relentless and some of good intentioned folks in here take the bait every time..

If you had told me a week ago that we're going back to PS5 is ackchually RdNa11 I would've laughed at you but here we are.
My goodness the FUD never stops

 

[pawel86ck]

this sony guy?

ive read this twice. i dont see where he says ps5 doesnt have ML.

we really need to wait for full PS5 and XSX breakdown, because both companies may hide something and nothing is certain right now.