J_Gamer.exe
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Wait until Ray tracing is added to bugsnax and goodbye volcano high, they will then look like Avatar. Its obviously not about models, materials, effects etc. All about that lighting
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Wait until Ray tracing is added to bugsnax and goodbye volcano high, they will then look like Avatar. Its obviously not about models, materials, effects etc. All about that lighting
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Bro, graphics help with immersion, that's part of TLOU2, HZD, Uncharted 4 magic.
And it's a major part of the magic of games like The Division that makes you wanna explore that map and every corner of it. Games are art, only soul-less people don't care about art and the beauty of it. Yes some games are played just for fun, but those games are played for like 15-100 hours but stick with you for eternity.
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BGs
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Sorry, but after the unsuccessful conversations with the staff that have finally been left in the "air" with no response and no practical solution, I am not going to make any more statements of this type about any hardware until things change.
If they want serious information, the informant must be protected. If the messenger is not adequately protected, the messenger will not deal more cards. And sorry, it's nothing personal. So I will not delve into past topics or add new information (which on the other hand is obvious information for everyone who wants to "see").
In any case, out of respect for all those who have supported me and by way of summary, my thinking today about efficiency remains the same as always. Nothing has changed in general.
Of course, I will take the opportunity to add a personal opinion. It would be better if people were not naive thinking that Halo faithfully represents the capabilities of the XSX. Nope. The possible technical / artistic disappointments of Halo are not the fault of the hardware. XSX can do things like HB2. The problem is "other". Few studios can afford to invest in the best story, the best technical section, the best gameplay, the best advertising, ... all in the same pack. That is a privilege only available to a few.
The only failure is to sell an expectation and go out to an event with a material that you know does not meet those generated expectations. That is the MS error. It is not the fault of the hardware capabilities. I think everything MS has gained over the past presentations has been lost in this last presentation. You know that I have been very critical of Sony's presentations, but this time they have put Sony on a tray. MS is making the mistakes that Sony made with PS3.
And Sony still has three "big" events left (not two).
Take this long message as an exception. I start vacation. Happy holidays everyone.
Sorry, before I leave today...
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Fortuneelsewhere
Member
Yes if you look ps5 digital revenue tops ms entire gaming division revenue (12 billion ps5 against 11 billion Xbox).
And then sony make another 11 millions trough physical including hardware and games.
According to some this seems to be a good place for ms to be.. I really don’t think so.. neither from a gamer or business perspective..
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FunkMiller
Member
GamePass does nothing to tempt PlayStation gamers over to Microsoft. It’s as simple as that.
A great service for existing Microsoft gamers, but it’s not the way to increase your consumer base.
The only thing that increases a gaming user base: great news games.
yewles1
Member
It's not Bo's fault you have thin fins. lolHe will choose TLOU2... ONE REASON ABBY. BO like his chicks Buffed.
The stronger they are the more of his luggage they can carry. Simples.
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sircaw
Banned
Bo is out of my class range, Seen those daggers he has, the lush green pictures of his backyard, its an oasis.
He lives in a palace, rides around on camels like Lawrence of Arabia. I got a god dam fish bowl as a home.
FUCK MY LIFE.
J_Gamer.exe
Member
Oh and one more thing in DF video, Alex's own comparison showed death stranding in the shadow light he referred to and still looked a gen ahead of Halo. So quite cleary a hell of a lot more to it than just that. Of course lighting has a big impact but the way the console was hyped up, even though this was on PC which is worrying for the SX, people were touting this to look photo realistic or along those lines.
What we got falls short of next gen expectations in almost every way bar res and framerate.
Lightning, models, materials, effects, lod, pop in, how alive the world felt, assets, poly count? , animations..
The showing was so far off next gen its not even funny, OK maybe slighty...
What we got falls short of next gen expectations in almost every way bar res and framerate.
Lightning, models, materials, effects, lod, pop in, how alive the world felt, assets, poly count? , animations..
The showing was so far off next gen its not even funny, OK maybe slighty...
Gudji
Member
Gediminas
Banned
how you calculate 10 for xbox? i see just 4. people need to stop making shit up. everwild, tell me why, hellblade, phychonauts, grounded, halo infinite were announced before, it nothing new at all.
zaitsu
Banned
Sony peak view is 4xMS, thats the most precious factor. To be honest even Ubisoft has 2xMS peak viewers. People interested in MS are in minority.
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Nickolaidas
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I started my vacation as well since yesterday! One month at home! Happy holidays, man!
I 100% agree (and stated in the forums here) that Halo Infinite ISN'T what the XSX is capable of. It's just a shame that in their rush to have a Halo game for the XSX at launch, they will release it in such a barebones state.
DrDamn
Member
I agree it's not all doom and gloom, but they are rightfully catching some shit for the 12TF / Velocity Architecture stuff they've used to build up the machine when the presentation didn't show it at all.
I think there are two parts to this. First off there are clearly some issues with showing stuff on the XSX hardware currently. We've come to expect that somewhat at an E3 before launch, but here we are later than E3 and we haven't seen games running properly on XSX hardware. That's a concern and shows on that side they are well behind Sony. Because of this what we've seen isn't indicative of the sort of performance we will eventually see on XSX. Things should get a lot better.
Secondly it is taking a long time to get their studios to produce the next gen games. It could be the issue of control, completing what was previously started etc. This idea of a pro-consumer approach to keep supporting X1 for the first two years is more about not having the titles ready and switching early not supporting the GP model they've set up. Lots of people pay for GP for the first party titles, if it all shifts to next gen that's a much small pool of people you are concentrating on and could seriously affect subs revenue.
All that said things will get better, and any Xbox fan is going to get a lot of benefit in being an early adopter because the general experience of these new machines is going to be much nicer. Load times, interaction, speed of interface etc. Plus there will be decent amounts of third party stuff that should play great on XSX. GP is going to remain great value for money.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
It wouldn't be the first time that a piece of gaming hardware was unable to reach its full potential. However, that assumes this was exclusively the fault of the studio. There is an opposing theory suggesting hardware/software bugs is stopping MS from showcasing games using actual Series X hardware. Series X is a powerful machine on paper, but theories don't sell games. If there is actual hardware problems that weaken what Series X could do, it would be a lethal blow.
Going back in time, there were hardware that theoretically were more powerful but never delivered. Most infamously the Atari Jaguar. A machine that decided being 64bit before anyone else is what matters. It ended up being two 32bit console hardware linked together, and the resulting programing headache gave advanced hints to what happened with PS3's Cell.
i really don't see the point of feeling sorry for Series X. If its creators could not show its power, then the consumer has the right to doubt if that power is there at all. PS3 was in that position early on with far worse 3rd party games, but late gen PS3 1st party games showed what the Cell could do if you really pushed it.
In the end, there are certain responsibilities that a platform holder carries. Xbox just decided they don't really care about doing those essential things, because they don't really care about selling consoles anymore. If they want to bet on Gamepass, that is their choice.
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
Netflix of videogames do not exists.
Aside from the fact that Netflix has exclusive content, they are winning over theaters because theaters demand you to go out of your home and at certain fixed times. While you watch things on Netflix on your couch when you want.
This do not apply for videogames of this era, you may find a better analogy in arcade games vs consoles (which in fact killed cabinets).
To be THAT impactful Gamepass is forty years late.
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Shmunter
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Haha, that’s not nice. But I guess someone at Sony has to call out the obvious non stop bollocking from MS.
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
Unfair representation of the data, Sony has four times the viewership compared to the Xbox event.
Also look at the trending words with the PS5 event, mainly GTA 5, it was most likely angry Rockstar fans that gave a lot of negative feedback which is not surprising.
zaitsu
Banned
XSX is clearly capable of more than Halo has to shown. The funny part is Dictator talking about how Halo is GPU demanding game being 4k 60 fps which is why we saw popin. The truth is Halo shouldn't be demanding game with it's image quality. Thats engine fault not XSX.
And Im sure XSX i capable of much more better graphic in right hands.
Personally I still think PS5 is better hardware overall, and even if i would give an edge to XSX in multiplatform titles I'm almost sure that Sony first party studios is place to look for truly nextgen graphic. Because they have talent, resources vision and hardware more than capable to show it .
J_Gamer.exe
Member
Interesting stuff all round.
Thanks and so all basically remains the same is interesting.
This efficiency is what other dev opinions have mentioned and Sony seem to have really gone for it this time around.
3 events
Thanks for your input and insight
Edit and what do those pics mean?
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zaitsu
Banned
exactly
zaitsu
Banned
1. PS5 launch with UI, preorders + GOW2Interesting stuff all round.
Thanks and so all basically remains the same is interesting.
This efficiency is what other dev opinions have mentioned and Sony seem to have really gone for it this time around.
3 events
Thanks for your input and insight
2. State of Play with gameplays
3. Hardware breakdown
Bo_Hazem
Banned
He said he busy with GoT. It is a good game. I played it 10 straight hours yesterday and today I feel motion sickness
You're weak bro, 10 hours straight for a good game is the bare minimum.
First day was 12 hours straight then next day around 20-30 hours, I don't remember. Thanks to COVID, too much spare time.I've spent a lot of time collecting flowers and killing randos, the sword combat is so rewarding!
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah it looked fun. Also you can't compare those games with Halo simply because it's not only gameplay, it's also the story and lore behind the game. And the fact that this will be open world which Doom is not.
Phil Spencer is reviewed on how well the whole division is doing, not based on one service of a devision... Microsoft never gives revenue numbers for each separate subscription. It's not like you can ask them for the specific revenue figures of their Power BI subscriptions...
Fortuneelsewhere
Member
Ms can have that many timed exclusives they want.. is like sub a cable tv service with more than 500 channels but in the end you just tune to a handful of them..
Is quality over quantity that maters..
In my opinion they showed nothing to bring ps5 players to their ecosystem. But I have a feeling lots of Xbox players are considering to buy ps5 at this moment.. and I think is going to get worst as Sony will start to show more gameplay and footage of the games they showed..
Fortuneelsewhere
Member
Yes very transparent..
yewles1
Member
Okay, I'm gonna risk it by saying this may be worse than early PS3 era Sony if this is the case. Because the Social Media exploits haven't done MS any favors.
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
Go ask Apple for specific revenue figures of Apple Music, and Google for specific revenue figures of Youtube RED, and while you're at it go ask Facebook if they can tell you those figures for Facebook Gaming.
That's how business works, they are not obliged to tell you every small detail purely because you want them to. Has nothing to do with transparency.
Handy Fake
Member
To be fair, I've watched the Halo video ten times myself just to keep me amused.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Actually I thought that this thread was closed, so been checking the PS5 thread. Didn't know it was only closed for 1 day. And if you have a wonderful game like GOT it's hard to let the controller down, nearly slept in one session while playing it for too long with no sleep.
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zaitsu
Banned
I want to see your face using game pass on PS6 or smart TV. Because it's clearly the way MS is trying to pursuit.
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
I would love that... If Game Pass is available on PS5 I would buy the PS5 and not the XSX.
zaitsu
Banned
Bo youre still far away, so much more fun content awaits in this thread.Actually I thought that this thread was closed, so been checking the PS5 thread. Didn't know it was only closed for 1 day. And if you have a wonderful game like GOT it's hard to let the controller down, nearly slept in one session while playing it for too long with no sleep.
zaitsu
Banned
Damn it went fast. From XSX being better console to Gamepass being console seller.
Neo Blaster
Member
We should give him a name. The way this meme is going, he'll soon be running for U.S. Presidency.
Neo Blaster
Member
But but but, 60fps!!!Halo Infinite Graphics Criticism Addressed by Dev; Game Features a New Acoustic Engine Leveraging XSX
Halo Infinite Graphics Criticism Addressed by Dev; Game Features a New Acoustic Engine Leveraging XSX
343i's Studio Head Chris Lee addressed the graphics criticism for Halo Infinite. He also discussed the new acoustic engine in the game.wccftech.com
4 months...
DeltaPolarBear
Member
it makes sense that MS is trying to chase GaaS if that is the case. Because as a console platform holder MS had no reason to compete with existing 3rd party developers, who are all chasing GaaS and making far more money. And these third parties pay MS 30% revenue on Xbox machines.
However, if the Xbox console goes away, Ms would have to pay rent on whatever platform they run Gamepass on. That would be 30% rent to Sony or Nintendo. And all the 3rd party GaaS games would become competitors, fighting for gamer's time and dollars.
PC? Good luck trying to get money out of PC gamers with cheap games. PC gamers have more unplayed cheap games than they have lifetime left to finish them.
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
It's just both at the moment... XSX is the most powerful console so all 3rd party games will play best on it. Game Pass is a system seller that increases the value of the XSX even more.
But if I have to choose between XSX that plays 3rd party games a bit better or PS5 that has their own exclusives AND the Xbox games with Game Pass then the choice is easily made.
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sircaw
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We really need a games watch dog in the world. Some sort of independent body that has zero spin to it.
I am finding it harder and harder to trust people these days.
These last few days, i have seen Digital foundry come out and try to explain why Halo looks like it does. It feels so strange for a company that is meant to critique things, give reasons and excuses why the game is bad. Get some like King trash, yes he uses the n word to much and plays GOD AWFUL Music, but that does not detract from the fact he found all those problems. He has no studio just his ps4, wtf are digital foundry doing.
Alanah pierce or what ever her name is, the other day making a video explaining why xbox gamepass is such a good thing bla bla bla, she said she just needed to make that video, late at night, while she was about to go to bed. I smell a rat.
IGN, i mean, i don't even go there anymore, i did a long time ago.
It feels wrong that companies have their claws so deep into review sites.
nvm just a rant.
I am finding it harder and harder to trust people these days.
These last few days, i have seen Digital foundry come out and try to explain why Halo looks like it does. It feels so strange for a company that is meant to critique things, give reasons and excuses why the game is bad. Get some like King trash, yes he uses the n word to much and plays GOD AWFUL Music, but that does not detract from the fact he found all those problems. He has no studio just his ps4, wtf are digital foundry doing.
Alanah pierce or what ever her name is, the other day making a video explaining why xbox gamepass is such a good thing bla bla bla, she said she just needed to make that video, late at night, while she was about to go to bed. I smell a rat.
IGN, i mean, i don't even go there anymore, i did a long time ago.
It feels wrong that companies have their claws so deep into review sites.
nvm just a rant.
Neo Blaster
Member
If they cannot hit native 4k 60fps without RT with XSX specs, then either 343i or SlipSpace engine are doing a crappy job.
Or both...
Nickolaidas
Member
Halo Infinite's gameplay is pure Halo. Which is awesome.
It's the visual department which is weak as fuck. And it hurts when you know the capabilities of the Series X.
It's the visual department which is weak as fuck. And it hurts when you know the capabilities of the Series X.
Mista
Banned
Lets be real here, Halo was never known for its good looks but known for its fluid gameplay
The thing is this time even the looks so bad. Especially when a Halo from 10 years ago looks better
Which is not acceptable to anyone
Thirty7ven
Banned
Wonder why Eagle Eye Alex didn’t mention anything about this.
Yoboman
Member
Its just lighting bro
Wonder why Eagle Eye Alex didn’t mention anything about this.
You may think its full of pop in, low res textures, poor character models, static environments, weak animations. But its really all just the lighting which ray traced reflections will fix
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Rudius
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I hope this two games have great PS5 updates in the works. They are pushing the PS4 to the limit and will still be fresh when next gen launches.
I will replay The Last of Us 2 for platinum and play Ghost for the first time on PS5.
kittoo
Cretinously credulous
I am all for singleplayer games, and while there is no doubt that gamepass has tremendous value, I would still get a PS5 first and foremost because that's where story driven single player games are.
I still have gamepass on PC, but I am not going to get an Xbox because of it. This Games as a service, 10 year plan , MMO shared universe. It's all bullshit to me. The day there aren't these amazing singleplayer games, gaming will be dead to me.
If Xbox starts making amazing single player games, I will be there too. But for now, its Playstation, gamepass or not. And I have no qualms in paying 60 for them if it means more of those will keep coming.
I still have gamepass on PC, but I am not going to get an Xbox because of it. This Games as a service, 10 year plan , MMO shared universe. It's all bullshit to me. The day there aren't these amazing singleplayer games, gaming will be dead to me.
If Xbox starts making amazing single player games, I will be there too. But for now, its Playstation, gamepass or not. And I have no qualms in paying 60 for them if it means more of those will keep coming.
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Neo Blaster
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Gamepass' value for consumers excuse can never give MS a free pass for poor quality games. It's funny how we went this week from '12TF, Smart Delivery, Velocity Architecture!!' to 'Gamepass!!!!'.
Rudius
Member
This would be good looking for a 4K60 game on Series X.
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