Psykodad
Banned
Lol yeah, just realized that was the case.
No biggie.
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NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
You are still making assumptions on what the world will be like since we have only seen limited gameplay. And for me I don't think it looked that bad, especially while watching it in 4k. But unlike you I don't have a weird axe to grind with MS.
Psykodad
Banned
By that same logic, it goes the other way round as well.
And you don't think it looked "that" bad, which indicates that you know it looks bad.
Then why complain about people pointing out the flaws?
JTCx
Member
So overall, it looks bad.
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
You're grasping at straws. I'm not making assumptions because I've seen 8 minutes of gameplay of a game that is bigger than the previous two. Are there better looking games, sure. Are there worse, yup. Are there better looking games that suck? 100%. I just think the entertainment value of a game is the sum of its parts. I could find screenshots of Ghost of Tsushima that look terrible and gameplay that looks bland.. but the game is stellar none the less. You see what you want to see.
I don't have an issue with people pointing out its flaws, but lets be honest here. If the game looked stellar you'd find something else to try tear it down. Your agenda is well established.
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
Don't you have a bridge you should be hiding under?
Psykodad
Banned
Nobody says there aren't worse looking games.
Nobody says gameplay is bad.
You could put the worst looking GOT screen next to the best looking HI screen and GOT would probably still look more impressive.
Talk about making assumptions.
If the game looked stellar, I would say the game looked stellar.
Simple as that.
JTCx
Member
Im under it as we speak. Looking pretty drab down here. Wish i had a RT patch to get some light in.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Xbox one isn't really holding back anything though. Look at the million games that look way better then the Xbox version on PC. The narrative doesn't make sense. Also all 3rd party games have the choice. They get to make for both or for only series x. Obviously there are ideas that can't come to life on the one but can on the series x, but Halo looking bad isn't one of them. It's either bad engine, Dev hell, something else. The game looks bad for a Xbox one game.
I don't mind it coming to Xbox One but it should be a completely different build of the game made specifically for the console. Not including RayTracing at launch is a TERRIBLE decision for a console where RayTracing is supposed to be one of the true next gen features. I think that is a huge red flag regarding how much old hardware will hold back new hardware.
JonnyMP3
Member
The Xbox One is holding back sales of the XSX because Halo Infinite isn't the graphical powerhouse it should be to wow the average consumer and sell the Series X.
Psykodad
Banned
This is going to be MS' biggest problem. They won't be able to "pull a PS3".
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
You know some people don't care about Halo.
If the sports games and cod look better then ps5 then Halo doesn't matter. Those are the best selling games on ps or Xbox every year for 20 years now.
Seriously, when people decided that "last gen consoles are holding off evolution" stuff? Have people never saw that the worst versions by far are actually the last gen ones?
Rarely you get competent stuff like Rise of the Tomb Raider and Metal Gear V, are these games then ugly for the current gen because they were well ported to previous ones?
The problem with Halo Infinite relies entirely with 343i, how come that they managed to deliver something visually worse than Halo 4 or 5?
Rarely you get competent stuff like Rise of the Tomb Raider and Metal Gear V, are these games then ugly for the current gen because they were well ported to previous ones?
The problem with Halo Infinite relies entirely with 343i, how come that they managed to deliver something visually worse than Halo 4 or 5?
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Mgs5 cross gen game but probably the best playing/controlling TPS of all time
JonnyMP3
Member
I still just don't understand the plan behind the idea that, at the birth of a brand new entire generation of gaming you wouldn't make the best, most utterly gorgeous and realistic game you possibly could out of your number 1 signature and flagship franchise to just show off the console for everyone to actually want to go out and buy.
This game should have been nowhere near an Xbox One from concept through to design.
Or is next generation machine selling exclusive game a stupid idea that I think is good? Is Papa Phil really playing 5D chess with me? Is spending 100's of millions of dollars on console R&D to produce the World's most powerful console of titanic 12TF's proportions just a weird flex of that Microsoft money because Game Pass is actual secret sauce?
JonnyMP3
Member
And then for some people, neither does changing platforms. Why go from PlayStation when you're guaranteed exclusive games, if you're not into the best looking COD, Fifa or Madden?
Psykodad
Banned
They have to.I still just don't understand the plan behind the idea that, at the birth of a brand new entire generation of gaming you wouldn't make the best, most utterly gorgeous and realistic game you possibly could out of your number 1 signature and flagship franchise to just show off the console for everyone to actually want to go out and buy.
This game should have been nowhere near an Xbox One from concept through to design.
Or is next generation machine selling exclusive game a stupid idea that I think is good? Is Papa Phil really playing 5D chess with me? Is spending 100's of millions of dollars on console R&D to produce the World's most powerful console of titanic 12TF's proportions just a weird flex of that Microsoft money because Game Pass is actual secret sauce?
They only have an installbase of ~50M, coming from ~90M last-gen.
Apart from Halo, they won't have anything else ready until late 2021 earliest.
They also have had ubderwhelming 1st party output throughout this gen.
Meanwhile, Sony is ending this gen with a bang (FFVIIR, TLOU2, GOT) and they have next-gen games ready day 1, effectively getting a year headstart.
MS is fucked either way and they should've been prepared.
Just pure incompetence, because they don't know how to market their products/services properly.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
You realize what best selling means right?
JonnyMP3
Member
Best selling games... Which would be on ALL platforms including PC, no?
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Pretty plain as day saying Halo success isn't the be all end all of Xbox.
The reading comprehension on this forum is trash.
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
Lol.. thats funny.. bravoIm under it as we speak. Looking pretty drab down here. Wish i had a RT patch to get some light in.
JonnyMP3
Member
I'm not sure what your mental gymnastics are currently but if you let me know your variables, I might be able to help you find a fucking clue.
So you're saying because 3rd party franchises are the best selling games in the world, so Halo doesn't matter and is obsolete as a gaming IP, as people will buy the XSX for COD and Fortnite and Fifa, even though the PC exists and anyone that actually ever wants to play the best version of that game has a gaming PC anyway and actually plays COD and Fortnite etc on PC? Am I correct in your thinking?
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
No gymnastics. No hidden meaning. The 2 sentences I wrote is actually exactly what I meant. Also no some people don't like PC. It's the reason consoles still exist. It's lazy no effort gaming from your couch in a room that already had a tv in it. And again no. Most people buy an Xbox for the same reason they but a ps or a Maytag dishwasher or a Samsung tv. It's what they grew up with or their parents had or just the first one they bought themselves and it worked good. All the other reasons is just war garbage on shitty forums by dumb people.
JonnyMP3
Member
I get brand recognition and people built in. I understand the Fanboys and the stupid console war. What I am genuinely asking is what is the plan to get in the casual/neutral/on the fence gamer if it isn't exclusives anymore?
If your flagship IP isn't that important, are you genuinely hoping that new people purchase the XSX over PS5 or return to MS because it'll have the slightly better looking 3rd party games?
And do you think there's enough of a percentage of those former Xboxers leaving PlayStation to return back to Xbox and give up all the exclusive games of the last 7 years?
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
I think most buyers will be just brand loyalists. New buyers will be friends of brand loyalists and yes people who want to play console best looking sports game. I think ps will outsell Xbox by a margin. I think 360 only sold well because PS3 was garbage for the price and most people only bought it for the BluRay player. I think exclusive sales show they are not a driving factor for system sales.
JonnyMP3
Member
Cool. Thank you for the your honest reply. And as for me, as a gamer of over 30 years, I and many others will always say 'Games are king'
And Nintendo are the literally the model that says exclusive games are system sellers. That's their whole identity.
MrFunSocks
Banned
Haha this is the post you’re going around telling people you “schooled” me with?
Game engines don’t just magically scale with new hardware. Why doesn’t every 360 game run at 4K on the One X?
JonnyMP3
Member
No. It was my other post
The one where I stated that you don't need a finalised console to begin developing a game.
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MrFunSocks
Banned
How is that relevant? Gran Turismo 6 came out *after* the PS4 did and it didn’t just work on the PS4.No. It was my other post
The one where I stated that you don't need a finalised console to begin developing a game.
Halo Infinite was developed as an Xbox One game, end of story. The fact that they’re going to patch it after release to add ray tracing is proof of this.
You have no idea what you’re talking about.
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
Vast majority of people don't have gaming PCs. Plus new consoles would be a better bargain than building one. I spent over $600 on my 2080 alone last year.
I would also argue that many people jumped ship from the 360 to the PS4 because of better performing 3rd party games. The beginning of last generation this was a common theme by many. So yes that can be a major factor especially in the beginning of a generation when exclusives are elusive.
And for Halo not mattering... It's one game and I seriously doubt its launch will be even remotely disasterous. If HI is indeed a GAAS modeled game than getting the largest portion of your user base (one-x) invested in it will help give it legs in the long run. If it flops then something else will take its place.... But lets be real.. its not going to flop.
JonnyMP3
Member
I'm not arguing that Halo Infinite was developed for the Xbox One. But literally more the point that you just need specs to code for then porting and optimization happens.
Whether Halo Infinite is a port to the XSX is irrelevant. But the technical aspect of things is that 5 years ago they had a choice to code for just the XSX regardless of finalised hardware or also for the X1.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
It's not a big mistake, because I'll be playing on Series X, pwning all the XOne plebs with muh superior res/framerate.
JonnyMP3
Member
But 720p and 900p vs 900p and 1080p was a pretty significant difference. I think both machines will struggle with Native 4K.
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
60fps vs <60 fps could be a deciding factor too. I play almost all my games on my one-X and only exclusives on my PS4 Pro. If Madden or FIFA play better on one vs the other it could pull players over.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
You could say they just have a lot of loyal customers, also honestly they have very little competition in the style of games they make. For most Sony/ms exclusive you have a similar game that's also quite good on the same system.
Side note. Gaming for 34 years. Uncle gave us his intellivision in 1986. Had NES, Sega, SNES, Genesis, Turbo, N64, Dreamcast, PS1, PS2, GameCube, Xbox 360, PS4, Xbox one, Wii, WiiU, gameboy, color, 3ds new 3ds, Vita, and PC gaming since 1997.
I love games. I only have time for maybe 3 or 4 single player games as I usually spend my gaming time playing PC with my kids. I'm just tired of the very obvious bias in open forums and it seems like you aren't a loud to like Xbox anywhere. There has to be a what is your hidden agenda question every time. Sometimes people mean only what they are saying.
JonnyMP3
Member
Same as you. Had most of those games consoles too. Though my first go at gaming was an Atari ST.
And as a dad myself with limited time to game in the single players games, it's hard to see Xbox as the machine to give me those experiences compared to Sony and their output when the kids finally get off playing fucking Fortnite or Minecraft when there isn't any single player experiences.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Haha I'm lucky my kids are 16 and 13 so we play divinity 2, apex, tf2, Gmod, csgo, Diablo, we even do the co op Skyrim mod.
I also don't think Xbox will pull away loyal ps customers either but I bet you most PS4 owners don't own more then 1 exclusive and I don't think exclusives in genres with 20 other popular games matter all that much anymore. Xbox would not exist if it wasn't profiting or expected to. 50 mil ain't 100 but it's not 5 either. I just don't think Halo looking like shit matters.
JonnyMP3
Member
I've been lucky enough to do some Diablo 3 and Overwatch with the 10 year old. But the 4 and 8 year old's...
MrFunSocks
Banned
Just need specs to code for? They didn't know the specs of the XSX 5 years ago lol. There was no way in the world they knew they were going to have a 12TF GPU or a super fast custom SSD solution. They were making an Xbox One game. They had no reason to even think about the specs of the next console since they weren't making Halo Infinite for the next console. The One X probably still hadn't even been dreamt up when they started working on Infinite lol.
JonnyMP3
Member
Seriously... All you need is a probable CPU specs and GPU specs of what they want to target. Optimisation happens after for specific architecture when the devkits are finalised. But all programming on a game happens on a PC. So if all programming happens on a PC that means the PC is mimicking console capabilities. Literally via brute force.
And if in 2015 Microsoft wasn't working on designing a new console or at least had plans to as you're claiming... Then they're not very good at forward planning are they.
MrFunSocks
Banned
The hardware team doing R&D for a next generation console has nothing to do with a team that is literally making an Xbox One game. From all reports Halo Infinite was supposed to be out by now already.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Even if Infinite was Xbox One they still knew years ago that Xbox/MS would have them release on PC as well. What's the excuse for this level of output when PC was just as an important release platform as Xbox consoles?
Yep it doesn't add up at all any way you work it.
Yep it doesn't add up at all any way you work it.
JonnyMP3
Member
You do understand that the main crux of the problem is that Microsoft are the ones that are claiming that they "Built the engine from the ground up for the XSX" right?