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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Neo Blaster

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The Unforeseen said:
This was one reason why I was leaning towards the Series X, the likes of Obsidian and InXile (who I feel many might be sleeping on here as they haven't revealed their next gen project yet) could well bring that back.
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Haven't they just revealed to be working on a VR PvPvE besides Wasteland 3, both multiplats? Unless they have a third team, I don't think they have a next gen exclusive cooking up for XSX right now.
 
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JonnyMP3

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Bo_Hazem said:
Feels like trying with Liverpool FC fans few years back. :lollipop_smirking:
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Congratulations!

Scouse bastard
Kingthrash said:
I made music videos for all the song's too, check out crumbside music playlist.....
My boy sick humor went in on that ps5 song
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Bro... Definitely subbed you on YouTube now. But I won't hit the bell. I never hit the bell lol.
But as a old school rap fan that grew up on NWA, Tupac, Biggie, Puff, Nas and Mase until 50Cent and The Game and hates all the modern mumble rap... You lot spit tight lyrics!
Probably my fave Rap album since the Documentary... And that was over 15 years ago!
 
sircaw

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Kingthrash said:
I made music videos for all the song's too, check out crumbside music playlist.....
My boy sick humor went in on that ps5 song
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I am not a rap fan but I will meet you halfway.

Let's get some Vivaldi (four-seasons) going in your videos and then you can rap to that.

You could be the founder of a whole new genre, Classical Rap, we could call it CRAP for short. :messenger_grimmacing_

Next Video I wanna hear those BEATS. Pretty fly for a 50-year-old white dude. :messenger_sunglasses:
 
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JonnyMP3 said:
The Xbox 360 at its time was the must have games machine for teens and young adults. That youth demographic and the dude bro attitude of the 00s matched perfectly. But that was 15 years ago. Anyone that was 15 at the time is now going on 30
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Wow. Thanks for the reality check haha. As one of those guys who was 15 back when the Xbox 360 was launched that hit me a fair bit haha. Mad how that was 15 years ago, it really doesn't feel it at times (and at others it really does!).
 
jimbojim

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Killer Sakoman said:
No, XSX can achieve 18% advantage if the whole gpu is 18% better. But that is not the case. The XSX gpu has advantage in TFs only other parts of the GPU are much faster on PS5.
Actually, performance wise, the two gpus are exactly the same.

I said it before that ( obvious business as of my experience not insider info ) AMD already shared the best of what they have with both Sony and Microsoft. Sony knows about XSX power years before it was announced and microsoft thought that Sony chose the same. I believe Sony customized the shit out of their hardware to meet what targetted by AMD hardware while keeping the cost low.

The PS5 will not be better than XSX in 3rd party games but it also not gonna be inferior at all. Both game versions will run at same setting and FPS with minor drops here and there depening on harware differences and API ( which is supprior on PS5)
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Yep. 400 MHz on PS5 GPU does make some differences. Faster fill-rate, rasterization etc. Anyway, we will see that in games.
 
JonnyMP3

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sircaw said:
I am not a rap fan but I will meet you halfway.

Let's get some Vivaldi (four-seasons) going in your videos and then you can rap to that.

You could be the founder of a whole new genre, Classical Rap, we could call it CRAP for short. :messenger_grimmacing_

Next Video I wanna hear those BEATS. Pretty fly for a 50-year-old white dude. :messenger_sunglasses:
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"And all the girlie's say "He's pretty fly" for a birdguy"
 
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Neo Blaster

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FeiRR said:
The problem with features like 120 FPS is how to present them over Internet. Very few people have displays which support it. It's going to change a bit in the coming years owing to new HDMI standards in modern TVs but I don't think 120 FPS is ever going to be huge in TVs as television and streaming don't need it. I've seen 120 FPS things in person and, even though you can notice the difference between it and 60 FPS while looking side-by-side, it's nothing groundbreaking in my opinion.

You can try the first Stalker game if you have an average PC. It should be dirt cheap right now. But beware, it's unforgiving, you have to heal every shot, you lack resources and die a lot. This might be very immersive, depending on your taste. I gave up because I lacked time and progress was slow. Anyway, I recommend reading the original book to get into the mood of the game.
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4k TVs have just started to enter the mainstream, it will take a long time for that to happen to 120Hz TVs. Right now it's an option for a very small group of enthusiasts.
 
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jimbojim

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Fordino said:
GAME ENGINE DEV REACTS to Halo Infinite | Campaign Gameplay Trailer

He makes the same mistake of assuming he's watching gameplay on a Series X.

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I've also did the same "mistake". Also thought all trailers was captured on XSX devkits, but it wasn't. He just made a reaction video without doing any research regarding on which platform it was run ( although, he made a post later ). It's not a mistake when you watch some show live. Of course you won't asked yourself is it on PC or something else. That kind infos appear later.
 
Bo_Hazem

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Sinthor said:
Seriously? Man, most of us have been here thru all the GitHub and lack of information times and it was NOT the 'Bashing XSX, praising PS5' thread, believe me. It ebbs and flows with news or lack thereof. People were super harsh about the 12TF and 'no magical SSD will save Sony' stuff so yeah, with some negative feedback on a showcase conference some are getting a little back. Not that big of a deal though. Bottom line, there's still WAY too much that we DON'T know about both of these consoles. As I've mentioned before, how their memory and bandwidth will affect performance, hell even what REAL WORLD performance differences will we be able to see from both systems SSD's and I/O. No real solid info on backwards compatibility (at least on the Sony side) and not from MS either on what is supposed to be enhanced BC. Ray tracing performance- another huge area we don't know about. Most of us felt there will be little to no RT evident on pretty much any title, but we've been surprised so far to see it shown on a LOT of titles. How that works and how it really impacts performance, we don't know.

So as you can see, there's lots of speculation to go yet and, if you're so inclined, probably plenty of opportunities to crow about the various aspects of your favorite box as we DO learn more. Just hang in there. It's not worth getting emotionally invested in a product like these are so take it with a grin and a shrug and you'll feel a lot better.
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I've been through it all, brother.

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The one in my ass was not cool.
 
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Kingthrash said:
How was my video shit?
Explain.
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Well, allow me. :)

I’ve never seen any of your videos so maybe the humour went over my head or perhaps I was expecting too much, but I did assume that there would be a reasoned argument as to why Digital Foundry was ‘lying’.

Instead the critical insights never got any deeper than “look at this shit”.

I'm sure there's an audience for this stuff but your video content isn't in the same league as the work done by Digital Foundry, or the many other sites, that do actual technical analysis. It certainly wouldn't convince anyone that didn't go in with an obvious bias.

In your video you make the claim that “All their (MS) games are going to be fractured or extremely small”. You do realise that making that claim with zero backup is something far closer to ‘lying’ than anything DF has done?

Putting your thoughts on video doesn't make you any more qualified than the other Sony stalwarts on this site. Let’s face it, if ‘The Last Word’ made videos, then this is exactly what they’d look like, but with less swearing and, of course, they’d be much, much, much longer. :)
 
kyliethicc

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Neo Blaster said:
Don't forget PS5 will probably keep the DVR function, so it will be constantly writing large sized videos and images to the SSD.
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Yeah I wonder if the PS5 will be able to record gameplay video in 4K, cause PS4 is only 720p and the Pro can only do 1080p. Even it was only recording 1-2 minutes, it’d be great to be able to capture full 4K footage from the system capture.
 
Darklor01

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PaintTinJr said:
I completely get that and I agree the launch windows are the launch windows as far as we know. But as outside observers looking at what xbox has shown so far - for me anyway - alarm bells are ringing that we haven't seen games running on the actual hardware, or even much in the way of gameplay of games beyond Infinite - too many in-engine graphics IMO.

If you can't show the world games and gameplay in a video running on the hardware, it raises the question of: what hardware would be in a shop demo pod in 4months?

Xbox partnering with a major storage brand mfr for their SSD solution, while said SSD solution being massively behind the competition on bandwidth and latency, and still the XsX games running on the hardware/SSD being a no show, is it beyond the realms of possibility that they are having problems issues as a result of their storage partner?

xbox mentioned the pitfalls for a SSD solution IIRC - in regards of reliability and cooling - so if they are trying to push the SSD/IO solution in software to reduce the gap against the PS5 solution before launch, are they now encountering new cooling and reliability issues with the SSD working at that level? hopefully not, but it was really strange they didn't showcase on XsX hardware IMO - and screamed behind schedule to me.
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If Halo was truly an early, 4 month old build, it could be because generally, games are first developed and coded on PC, and moved to Dev kit further down in development. I'm not sure what to think about that. So many scenarios to try to understand why the version shown was running on a PC and not an XSX. They did say it was a four month old build. Maybe we'll have a demo of it running on XSX to come if it is to be a launch title.

If the development of other titles to come are two years out, perhaps they're not in a state ready to go enough to show. I'd not worry about that too much either. We don't usually get in engine stuff until further along in development and in game much later than that.

I don't really know what to say about the SSD I/O solutions. It is pretty late in the launch stage to be introducing new cooling and I/O solutions. I mean, I don't know, that could would also wreak havoc with any games in development. Also, if the machines are already in production, changing cooling solutions sounds a bit difficult. The parts would have already been ordered, and the system design with cooling in mind was already in place.

For me, the bottom line would be that, eventually, the games that show the power of the hardware will come. This issue regarding studio acquisition and game title development time didn't start with planning the Series X. It began towards the end of the 360 era and was left to be the way it was for the last 7+ years.
 
TJC

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Redlight said:
Well, allow me. :)

I’ve never seen any of your videos so maybe the humour went over my head or perhaps I was expecting too much, but I did assume that there would be a reasoned argument as to why Digital Foundry was ‘lying’.

Instead the critical insights never got any deeper than “look at this shit”.

I'm sure there's an audience for this stuff but your video content isn't in the same league as the work done by Digital Foundry, or the many other sites, that do actual technical analysis. It certainly wouldn't convince anyone that didn't go in with an obvious bias.

In your video you make the claim that “All their (MS) games are going to be fractured or extremely small”. You do realise that making that claim with zero backup is something far closer to ‘lying’ than anything DF has done?

Putting your thoughts on video doesn't make you any more qualified than the other Sony stalwarts on this site. Let’s face it, if ‘The Last Word’ made videos, then this is exactly what they’d look like, but with less swearing and, of course, they’d be much, much, much longer. :)
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Just to let you know kingthrash exposed DF before and got an apology from them. Keep it up Kingthrash your podcasts with the Xbox elite Really good entertainment in the last couple months. Heard you got some stuff going on at the moment but hope everything is good and hope to see your content back soon, you got some Xbox people that got some explaining to do.
 
Bo_Hazem

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Metroiddarks said:
I don't heard good things about that game, just average which is fine.

If played someday will be for see those graphics.
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Days Gone to me is one of the best open world games of all time. Exploring every part of the map felt so special. And the thrills of the hordes is wonderful. Story was great, acting to me is the best acting I've seen in any kind of entertainment that feels 100% like real life most of the time with minimal exaggeration, facial expressions was wonderful for an open world imagine next with 6 priority levels.
 
Ar¢tos

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Neo Blaster said:
Don't forget PS5 will probably keep the DVR function, so it will be constantly writing large sized videos and images to the SSD.
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That can be easily solved by only saving to the SSD when the user wants and keeping the DVR in RAM (doesn't even need to use main RAM, 4GB/8GB LPDDR4 on the secondary processor can handle it).

Doesn't the PS4 only saves to the HDD when the user wants it?
 
jimbojim

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Self High Five said:
Has this been posted yet?

To fuel some warzzz



"Why?"
"Because it is."

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IbelieveInGenerations said:
I would also choose Xbox in his position, cause games for Xbox are also games for Windows that support Steam marketplace.
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Mr Moose said:
I doubt he has either dev kits, I don't think Valve make many console games these days.
He's probably going based on power, 12.1 is higher than 10.3.
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X-Fighter said:
The question was about consoles, and like he said, he doesn't have a stake in that race
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Yeah, he doesn't have a stake in that race like said, but he said in continuation - "obviously, we do most of our development on Personal Computers, but of the two, i would definitely go with Xbox.

IMO, because he mentioned development, he referred to DX12 which obviously he works on. And of course, 12 is > 10.2. :D

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He has a stake in games for windows and Dx12, so thats not entirely true and you know it.
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Yep. But of course, every one just saw what they hear: which is better? Xbox. And that's that. :D

Nothig else matters

 
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Kingthrash

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Redlight said:
Well, allow me. :)

I’ve never seen any of your videos so maybe the humour went over my head or perhaps I was expecting too much, but I did assume that there would be a reasoned argument as to why Digital Foundry was ‘lying’.

Instead the critical insights never got any deeper than “look at this shit”.

I'm sure there's an audience for this stuff but your video content isn't in the same league as the work done by Digital Foundry, or the many other sites, that do actual technical analysis. It certainly wouldn't convince anyone that didn't go in with an obvious bias.

In your video you make the claim that “All their (MS) games are going to be fractured or extremely small”. You do realise that making that claim with zero backup is something far closer to ‘lying’ than anything DF has done?

Putting your thoughts on video doesn't make you any more qualified than the other Sony stalwarts on this site. Let’s face it, if ‘The Last Word’ made videos, then this is exactly what they’d look like, but with less swearing and, of course, they’d be much, much, much longer. :)
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Lol see thats the problem....you haven't been following me long enough to even know what I've been showing gamers for years.
Phil spencer himself talked about fractured games and halo has already been confirmed to follow the destiny like fractured experience.

Matt booty already confirmed that the studios they bought are for smaller AA experiences and the initiative has already stated they will also be making smaller games.

Digital foundry lied by claiming the reason why the graphics look flat is due to shadows n shit....i just pointed out the reasons why that wasn't the case.

Givin DF's track record of zooming in at 400% or being far more critical on other games...xbox games included this "analysis" video did nothing but try to make light of the dire situation at MS.

With xbox touting "most powerful" and the wait it took to see something gamers expected more of an explanation from them than just....shadows.

My videos are far beyond the "league" of DF and whoever else you wanna clam...i represent REAL gamers...i have more gaming experience than any of those channels you mentioned and I dobt need a machine to tell me how many pixels a game has to know its garbo. So relax on trying to staple me under anyone as I dont roll like that...if any of them would like to question it then we can hop on the stix and handle it like gamers....not some guy with PC software that reads FPS. My channel is raw and its real....gamers are not professionals at all, any channel acting like it is perpetrating and likly just wants superchat money and ad revenue.

Meanwhile I deliver everything from documentaries to music videos to podcasts to hot topics to analysis vids to reviews to early copy previews to skits.....i do it all from my playstation and produce better videos than those who use PC......without monetization as I do it for the passion of gaming not for the money in your wallet.....im league's above them...tell um I said it.

Lastly my channel is made for adults so if you dont like "swearing" I understand. My channel purposely isn't made for everyone as not everyone are gamers who accept what it is to be a gamer and are proud of it.

Thanks for the input...really appreciate it,
but I'm waiting for the original poster to tell me why he thinks my video is "shit"
 
Kingthrash

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JonnyMP3 said:
Congratulations!

Scouse bastard
Bro... Definitely subbed you on YouTube now. But I won't hit the bell. I never hit the bell lol.
But as a old school rap fan that grew up on NWA, Tupac, Biggie, Puff, Nas and Mase until 50Cent and The Game and hates all the modern mumble rap... You lot spit tight lyrics!
Probably my fave Rap album since the Documentary... And that was over 15 years ago!
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LoL fuck a bell bro lol DWYD I'm just here to give gamers real gaming entertainment is all.
 
splattered

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X-Fighter said:
His twitter bio: Gamer, PlayStation Centric YouTube Content Creator

Yeah let's hear his opinion on a Microsoft showcase. What's next, Tim Dog makes videos on youtube about State of Play and I post them here? "pie_tears_joy:
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It's only going to get worse and worse up to launch.

Microsoft could have completely hit the showcase out of the park and certain fanboys would still be posting every single little negative thing they can find until the systems launch.

I feel like people have PTSD from github still... and even if they don't realize it they are dancing around every negative they can to try and prop their preferred system up as much as possible until they can get their hands on the actual games and breathe their 10.2tf sigh of relief.
 
Zathalus

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Bo_Hazem said:
Days Gone to me is one of the best open world games of all time. Exploring every part of the map felt so special. And the thrills of the hordes is wonderful. Story was great, acting to me is the best acting I've seen in any kind of entertainment that feels 100% like real life most of the time with minimal exaggeration, facial expressions was wonderful for an open world imagine next with 6 priority levels.
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I'm playing through it now and it's seriously very good. The review scores this game got were criminal.
 
Empire Strikes Back

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geordiemp said:

SCALABLE GAME CONSOLE CPU/GPU DESIGN FOR HOME CONSOLE AND CLOUD GAMING - Sony Interactive Entertainment LLC

<div p-id="p-0001">In a multi-GPU simulation environment, frame buffer management may be implemented by multiple GPUs rendering respective frames of video, or by rendering respective portions of each
www.freepatentsonline.com www.freepatentsonline.com

Sony Dual GPUs - calling misterXMedia alert....

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This does make sense with the new HDMI patent someone posted earlier... PS5 Pro will double everything?
 
zaitsu

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geordiemp said:

SCALABLE GAME CONSOLE CPU/GPU DESIGN FOR HOME CONSOLE AND CLOUD GAMING - Sony Interactive Entertainment LLC

<div p-id="p-0001">In a multi-GPU simulation environment, frame buffer management may be implemented by multiple GPUs rendering respective frames of video, or by rendering respective portions of each
www.freepatentsonline.com www.freepatentsonline.com

Sony Dual GPUs - calling misterXMedia alert....

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Scaling two GPUs by hdmi ?
PS5+PS5 = PS10 or PS5 pro ?
Edit ; Simulation consoles such as computer game consoles typically use a single chip, referred to as a “system on a chip” (SoC) that contains a central processing unit (CPU) and a graphics processing unit (GPU). Due to semiconductor scaling challenges and yield issues, multiple small chips can be linked by high-speed coherent busses to form big chips. While such a scaling solution is slightly less optimal in performance compared to building a huge monolithic chip, it is less costly.

Chiplet design it is, BIG NAVI = 2x PS5 GPU ?
 
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