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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Sinthor

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All aboard, ain't got a clue where we going
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Thank you for doing this, sir!

I was going to suggest initially that it be a "train to pre-order" to kind of unify the thread members, but not sure what anyone would have thought about that. :)
 

LED Guy?

Banned
This is annoying, Alex understands that a generational leap in fidelity and graphics comes at the cost of higher frame rates yet he still threw shade at Sony's first parties for being only "30 FPS", even when John stated that Sony's first parties are some of the best looking games. I would have expected more of a mature and insightful response from him and I'm saying that in the nicest way possible.

@TGO one ticket on the hype train for me please!
Yeah exactly, even with his $2000 PC that isn't much more powerful than PS5 couldn't run that game at 60 FPS 4K and he didn't have a problem with it.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
What is "general credit card info"?

No need for bank account, I think? I'm using a US account since day one on PS4 as my Omani account got frozen for some strange reason (Oman, Romania, Cyprus, Bahrain and two other countries) had complications for store and so. Well, I can use it now but I'm already ok using that one, put my old address in Virginia. :lollipop_tears_of_joy:

Didn't try PS Now though, and if something interesting there its either I bought it already or not my taste, it's a problem with monthly PS Plus free games as well as most of the ones that interest me I own already except few like Detroit and Shadow of Colossus.
 

Neo Blaster

Member
With marketing stating Holiday 2020, production ramping... etc. Neither company is delaying their launch. Let’s knock that option out now.

As for Mic drop moments in August for MS. I doubt it. They already used that line leading into their July 23 event and rumor on the next event has it being about how existing games look and play better on XSX (More Gamepass hype?). If there is a Mic Drop moment to be had, it would indeed be them undercutting Sony.

Pre orders are a thing that can literally be started right before launch itself and still be a thing. They can hold up on pricing announcements as long as they like leading to pre orders or launch.... whichever happens first, or at all.
The only mic drop MS could show so far would be they burning an obscene amount of cash to secure one or more big third party games for day one on Gamepass, can't think of anything else.
 
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Deleted member 775630

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It has nothing to do with the country infrastructure itself, honestly, but Sony having servers there and expectancy of potential userbase.
Well both right? You need at least a steady 25Mbps connection. Key word here is steady. That cannot always be guaranteed in every country
 
This is annoying, Alex understands that a generational leap in fidelity and graphics comes at the cost of higher frame rates yet he still threw shade at Sony's first parties for being only "30 FPS", even when John stated that Sony's first parties are some of the best looking games. I would have expected more of a mature and insightful response from him and I'm saying that in the nicest way possible.

@TGO one ticket on the hype train for me please!
Yeah more of less, is true that game is gorgeous but looks force many thing using brute force because that game
is just too huge (We don't know how effective is the culling solution) but also you are right, now doesn't matter if the game
is not 60 fps because you know the next gen should be in this way even in a PC with better CPU and GPU than the
consoles.

Actually this kind of game could be really improve is graphics if was optimize in the same way Star Citizen for use a SSD.
 
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Bo_Hazem

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Well both right? You need at least a steady 25Mbps connection. Key word here is steady. That cannot always be guaranteed in every country

I believe Greece has 1Gbps since 2018:


We have that here as well, and we don't get PS Now. Not sure about Gamepass on xbox console, but on PC it's region agnostic. I'm used to 150-180ms ping playing on Euro servers, can't imagine how crazy it'll be for cloud gaming if it's open as well.

Still, they should provide more servers if they're really interested in the service growing up.
 

AeneaGames

Member
It was reported in this thread many page before.
Plus since he was discussed here you are the first who deny this and ask proof

:messenger_tears_of_joy:

And this is how someone who has never owned an Xbox in her entire life can be called an extreme Xbox fan!

Anyway, this means I'm not denying it, just wondering if anyone ever saw any proof of this.
If it has been discussed here many pages ago then I would love it if someone could show me to more info, heck I would love infiltrate ;)
 

Games Dean

Member
I'm coming prepared this time, let me introduce the PlayStation Hype Express
Bookings will begin soon
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Maybe.... depends, when is the event?
By the way , there has been reportings of a stowaway on board, do not be alarmed.
I'd like to pre-book my ticket. First class please:messenger_beaming:
 

user1337

Member
I bet some random site will see us getting onboard a hype train, and turn it into a click baity title "Is Sony up to something? NeoGaf thinks so!" Click here to find out..

While we here at NeoGaf are just having a laugh and havent got a clue what Sony is announcing or when.
 
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Bo_Hazem

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Now let's talk about the clowns, known as Digital Foundry. First zooming 800% or even 400% is laughable for 4K, it's like asking for 16K sharpness at 800% or 8K sharpness at 400%.

Horizon: Forbidden West looks flawless at native 4K:

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Now zoom in 800% asking for 16K clarity, you find some minor flaws, which further proves that it's running in real-time not pre-rendered. You see aliasing, pixelization effects, mostly due to Geometry Engine drawing the necessary visible frame budget for native 4K, as you can't spot them in native resolution:

hfw-zoom.jpg


Now to the peice of crap called Halo Infinite:

3712380-halo-infinite-2020_ascension_demo_campaign_05_4k-b108ee98525741458824e698aa131f8b.png


You don't even need to zoom in because it's extremely visible how crap it looks, but here, 800% zooming:

- Trees floating with no trunks.
- Extremely pixelized.
- Severe VRS image/resolution degradation.
- Blurry mess of tree details with no textures.

halo-zoom.jpg


You don't need DF to acknowledge that, you only need a pair of eyes and a functional brain.
 
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That's going to be interesting. I get why people would like to know what is up at that studio, given what they showed last week
From people I know who works in Microsoft (not Xbox) the company is really a good place to work and we
don't heard any similar problem from other studios.

I think the could be more a local problem probably the studio start making its game as the biggest Halo but still be a normal
game for Xbox one/Xbox one X (not a game as service) but then someone of Xbox head say lets change this game also we
need this game be dev for the Anaconda project and just the studio was not ready for that but is almost impossible to say
not to your boss when they already promise that.
 

kensama

Member
:messenger_tears_of_joy:

And this is how someone who has never owned an Xbox in her entire life can be called an extreme Xbox fan!

Anyway, this means I'm not denying it, just wondering if anyone ever saw any proof of this.
If it has been discussed here many pages ago then I would love it if someone could show me to more info, heck I would love infiltrate ;)


Uhh ok! Where i said that? please don't invent words i never told you.

And yes you are denying because if you follow the thread from the scratch it was said. Plus you have Gamernyc78 Gamernyc78 that also confirm it.
Go ahead man. Don't trust me if you want.
 

AeneaGames

Member
Uhh ok! Where i said that? please don't invent words i never told you.

Not saying that you did say I'm an extreme Xbox fan but you were thinking it if interpreted your post correctly ;)

And yes you are denying because if you follow the thread from the scratch it was said. Plus you have Gamernyc78 Gamernyc78 that also confirm it.
Go ahead man. Don't trust me if you want.

I'm not denying it, I'm just wondering if anyone has seen actual proof of this discord, so far I haven't. I've read a lot of this thread, way before I made an account and I've seen snippets of stuff, even a screenshot, but it still is not actual evidence of this discord FUD group existing.

Even if 10 more people say that it's true, if none of them can show me that it actually exists with some nice evidence I still will have my doubts.

Look, it's more than likely that a few of those extreme Xbox fanatics are chatting with each other, just want to see it with my own eyes how bad it is and if that Alex is a part of it...
 

Entroyp

Member
From people I know who works in Microsoft (not Xbox) the company is really a good place to work and we
don't heard any similar problem from other studios.

I think the could be more a local problem probably the studio start making its game as the biggest Halo but still be a normal
game for Xbox one/Xbox one X (not a game as service) but then someone of Xbox head say lets change this game also we
need this game be dev for the Anaconda project and just the studio was not ready for that but is almost impossible to say
not to your boss when they already promise that.

I know people that work as contractors for a division at MS. I don’t think they consider them human beings.
 
Now let's talk about the clowns, known as Digital Foundry. First zooming 800% or even 400% is laughable for 4K, it's like asking for 16K sharpness at 800% or 8K sharpness at 400%.

Horizon Zero Dawn looks flawless at native 4K:

49995809658_9e3764c4b3_o.png


Now zoom in 800% asking for 16K clarity, you find some minor flaws, which further proves that it's running in real-time not pre-rendered. You see aliasing, pixelization effects, mostly due to Geometry Engine drawing the necessary visible frame budget for native 4K, as you can't spot them in native resolution:

hfw-zoom.jpg


Now to the peice of crap called Halo Infinite:

3712380-halo-infinite-2020_ascension_demo_campaign_05_4k-b108ee98525741458824e698aa131f8b.png


You don't even need to zoom in because it's extremely visible how crap it looks, but here, 800% zooming:

- Trees floating with no trunks.
- Extremely pixelized.
- Severe VRS image/resolution degradation.
- Blurry mess of tree details with no textures.

halo-zoom.jpg


You don't need DF to acknowledge that, you only need a pair of eyes and a functional brain.

We shouldn't be comparing Horizon to halo. That is comparing the best looking game for next gen so far to the worst one.
 

FeiRR

Banned
No need for bank account, I think? I'm using a US account since day one on PS4 as my Omani account got frozen for some strange reason (Oman, Romania, Cyprus, Bahrain and two other countries) had complications for store and so. Well, I can use it now but I'm already ok using that one, put my old address in Virginia. :lollipop_tears_of_joy:

Didn't try PS Now though, and if something interesting there its either I bought it already or not my taste, it's a problem with monthly PS Plus free games as well as most of the ones that interest me I own already except few like Detroit and Shadow of Colossus.
I charged the account with $10 but it still wanted my CC details so fuck you Sony for now. I'll wait till they make PS Now more available. I think I'll spend that money on Control.

Still halfway through Tsushima.

Yesterday Jin found some dead fish. I thought about sircaw sircaw .

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kensama

Member
Not saying that you did say I'm an extreme Xbox fan but you were thinking it if interpreted your post correctly ;)

Please don't think for me and read as it's written.



I'm not denying it, I'm just wondering if anyone has seen actual proof of this discord, so far I haven't. I've read a lot of this thread, way before I made an account and I've seen snippets of stuff, even a screenshot, but it still is not actual evidence of this discord FUD group existing.

Even if 10 more people say that it's true, if none of them can show me that it actually exists with some nice evidence I still will have my doubts.

Look, it's more than likely that a few of those extreme Xbox fanatics are chatting with each other, just want to see it with my own eyes how bad it is and if that Alex is a part of it...


As i said:

1- Many pages before proof was provided.
2- since in that thread it was stated that Alex Bataglia is a part of that secret discord FUD gang nobody came as you do asking proof.

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Nowcry

Member
Now let's talk about the clowns, known as Digital Foundry. First zooming 800% or even 400% is laughable for 4K, it's like asking for 16K sharpness at 800% or 8K sharpness at 400%.

Horizon Zero Dawn looks flawless at native 4K:

49995809658_9e3764c4b3_o.png


Now zoom in 800% asking for 16K clarity, you find some minor flaws, which further proves that it's running in real-time not pre-rendered. You see aliasing, pixelization effects, mostly due to Geometry Engine drawing the necessary visible frame budget for native 4K, as you can't spot them in native resolution:

hfw-zoom.jpg


Now to the peice of crap called Halo Infinite:

3712380-halo-infinite-2020_ascension_demo_campaign_05_4k-b108ee98525741458824e698aa131f8b.png


You don't even need to zoom in because it's extremely visible how crap it looks, but here, 800% zooming:

- Trees floating with no trunks.
- Extremely pixelized.
- Severe VRS image/resolution degradation.
- Blurry mess of tree details with no textures.

halo-zoom.jpg


You don't need DF to acknowledge that, you only need a pair of eyes and a functional brain.
More worrying than all that, why haven't we seen any games running on Xbox?

With all those problems that we are seeing, I am concerned that today, equivalent hardware / devkit still cannot execute any of the advantages of XVA.

XVA really exists? Or are they just MS marketing words? We have not a single proof that they have managed to overcome the bottlenecks. In any game or on any YouTube sample we have been able to see if they have really been able to overcome the bottlenecks.

It would bother me a lot if they sold me a console with some software features that are not yet available, without any guarantees that it really works that way, and that hopefully they will finish developing in 2 years. And meanwhile hitting the competition with negative publicity and force bruter power.

My girlfriend was telling me before MS show us Halo and 1st games, if MS has to mention sony every time he goes out to say something, it is that something is wrong. And she was more right than a saint. ..... Generally she is always right ahahahahah ..... :messenger_grinning_sweat: :messenger_grinning_sweat: :messenger_grinning_sweat:
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
More worrying than all that, why haven't we seen any games running on Xbox?

With all those problems that we are seeing, I am concerned that today, equivalent hardware / devkit still cannot execute any of the advantages of XVA.

XVA really exists? Or are they just MS marketing words? We have not a single proof that they have managed to overcome the bottlenecks. In any game or on any YouTube sample we have been able to see if they have really been able to overcome the bottlenecks.

It would bother me a lot if they sold me a console with some software features that are not yet available, without any guarantees that it really works that way, and that hopefully they will finish developing in 2 years. And meanwhile hitting the competition with negative publicity and force bruter power.

My girlfriend was telling me before MS show us Halo and 1st games, if MS has to mention sony every time he goes out to say something, it is that something is wrong. And she was more right than a saint. ..... Generally she is always right ahahahahah ..... :messenger_grinning_sweat: :messenger_grinning_sweat: :messenger_grinning_sweat:

You don't need games or features, it's meant to power your dreams. :lollipop_tears_of_joy:
 
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Nowcry

Member
$299 XsX and $199 XsS....my bet.

299 is what the 334mm ^ 2 silicon wafer costs with the SSD and GDDR6. You still have to pay for the rest of the systems and the cooling solution. Packaging and transportation.

Sorry to say but XSX will cost no less than XOX.

Maybe You are being sarcastic and I am not understanding it because of the language change.
 
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