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Jeff Grub says Xbox Live Gold and paying to play online is going away soon
- Thread starter Bernkastel
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ManaByte
Member
The two are already merged with GamePass Ultimate.
TimFL
Member
Cloud saves are, afaik, free on XB1 and always have been. They only require XBLG on 360.
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CasperDarling
Member
Plus those 4 free games are pretty much shovelware crap 99% of the time. They won't be missed by anyone
VincentMatts
Member
Hopefully, but considering how they hyped up the july show, i dont necessarily believe in their "mic drop" announcements at this point.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
VincentMatts
Member
This is accurate. Both fortnite and COD warzone have known record profits. Having no barrier to entry will definitely help. Still remains to be seen how popular halo is without a BR mode, which both of those games have.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Thought people here liked context.
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splattered
Member
I've said before a Halo BR mode could be super fun with all the vehicles... and then imagine a huge BR map essentially made in Forge by the actual Halo community playing it. Constant changes and updates driven by players themselves. Could be huge.
He's absolutely right about the engagement argument. And for a company selling gamepass as the main feature for the moment, it makes sense to grow that engagement as much as possible (within reason of course). But still, can anyone really imagine going into a high level MS board meetings with a pitch on saying no thank you to 9 figure annual income because of gains you hope will be realized down the road? I cant.
VincentMatts
Member
Considering most of that next gen growth will be coming from PC users, mobile users via xcloud, etc all of which dont have to pay for xbox live gold, what exactly is the point of keeping it around if all it does is add a fee to console owners but no one else?
LisaMariaMartin
Banned
That would be something. Isn't gold a big revenue stream for them?
Like I said, I understand the potential strategy and I don't disagree with the potential. But I'm just a guy shooting the shit on a message board. The people who actually decide would be gambling with annual revenue that would make powerball winners look poor. That takes serious balls, both advocating for it to the powers that be, and green lighting.
MilkyJoe
Member
I buy gold on black Friday or ebay deal, I've never paid more than 30 for a 12 month pass, I don't want game pass.
Redlancet
Banned
Doesnt people realise playing free to play games and mmo its free on playstation since the beggining?
AllBizness
Banned
Jeff Grub is a piece of shit clout chaser there not giving up all that revenue with nothing to replace it with.
00_Zer0
Member
Thanks for the clarification. It's funny, I have owned an Xbox One S since last year. Then later got an Xbox One X. It's my first time delving into the Xbox ecosystem and have always had Xbox Live Gold (then converted to Game Pass Ultimate) since the purchase and never knew that. I mostly game on PC and I mostly use the Xbox for BC exclusives you can't get anywhere else.
The Bloody-Nine
Member
'They're'. And why are you posting all in bold?
01011001
Banned
they are not in the same shoes as Microsoft (at least not yet) where they release every game on PC, usually with full cross compatibility, where playing online is free. so it's comparable to buying a game and then playing it on base Xbox One and Xbox One X, PC at this point is just yet another Microsoft system to play your digital games on. Imagine if base Xbox One players would need to pay to play online but Xbox One X players didn't... that's exactly what's happening now... if you have a PC you basically have an Xbox One X+, an even more powerful platform to play your Xbox games on, and you don't have to pay to play online with your friends... your friends on their Xboxes have to pay tho.
how's that fair?
Sony is not in the same market here, they only have their dedicated console, there is no party here that is unfairly taxed for playing on the wrong Sony platform.
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jimbojim
Banned
Yeah, also Klob said MS will aquire Take 2 and Zenimax. LOL. Btw. regarding GOLD removal, Klob reacted after when MS removed yearly sub. from store. As "insider" he should hinted that way before 1 year sub. removal, NOT after.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
No he didnt.
JerryinSoCal
Member
They took away the 12 month option for gold a week ago didn't they? but you still have gamepass ultimate 12 month subs, also that MP game they showed last week said gold sub required to play online. BTW you can still buy 12 month gold subs on Amazon for $59.99 they haven't removed done away with them yet.
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Jigsaah
Gold Member
Well don't know what happens with GwG, but I think you may be out of luck with this one boss.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
They will say it till they officially announce their stance.
Portugeezer
Member
So Greenberg says Gamepass isn't making them a lot of money, and I'm supposed to believe they will end their biggest money maker for some reason? Reason being related to gamepass?
Would be amazing, but... No.
What if you stack 3 month subscriptions? MS will still have to deal with those in the future if they get rid of XBLG.
Would be amazing, but... No.
What if you stack 3 month subscriptions? MS will still have to deal with those in the future if they get rid of XBLG.
MS is the smallest console manufacturer, so not really good news for all console gamers.
Schmick
Member
Rumour has it that the Gold subscriptions will be changed into GP subscriptions.So Greenberg says Gamepass isn't making them a lot of money, and I'm supposed to believe they will end their biggest money maker for some reason? Reason being related to gamepass?
Would be amazing, but... No.
What if you stack 3 month subscriptions? MS will still have to deal with those in the future if they get rid of XBLG.
MS is the smallest console manufacturer, so not really good news for all console gamers.
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01011001
Banned
So Greenberg says Gamepass isn't making them a lot of money, and I'm supposed to believe they will end their biggest money maker for some reason? Reason being related to gamepass?
Would be amazing, but... No.
What if you stack 3 month subscriptions? MS will still have to deal with those in the future if they get rid of XBLG.
MS is the smallest console manufacturer, so not really good news for all console gamers.
gamepass doesn't make a lot of money NOW because they are building their reputation at the moment by offering absolutely mind-bogglingly cheap deals! converting all you XBLG to gamepass or multiple $1 a month offerings (not only for new customers btw, I know someone who did that $1 deal like 4 times already)
once they stop with these absolutely hilariously cheap deals they throw out all the time, they will make tons of money with it.
this is just so that people get into their subscription and get hooked.
PresetError
Neophyte
Bring down the console paywall, by all means. Let Fortnite kids, FIFA/NBA2K addicts and whales in general pay for our online service.
Sadly, I don't think it's going to happen
Sadly, I don't think it's going to happen
01011001
Banned
again, I don't think this is a case of them wanting to move subscribers to another subscription and just eliminating the unfair treatment of a portion of their customers.
Freeman
Banned
I doubt that. As someone who complained from day one about paid online console gamers ate it up.
It's like saying no to free money so I assume they have a plan to make it back somewhere else and just gamepass ain't going to be it.
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01011001
Banned
these days it is a completely different scenario tho.
we live in a world where Gears 5 releases on 3 Microsoft systems simultaneously and if you buy it digitally you own it on all 3 Microsoft systems.
these systems are:
Windows 10
Xbox One
Xbox One X
with the Series X version out at launch it would be 4 systems
now we have a situation where 2 of these 3 systems need an online subscription in order to use all of this game's features. even tho all 3 systems play on the exact same servers, using the same matchmaking infrastructure and the same player pool.
and THIS is the situation with nearly EVERY SINGLE game Microsoft releases. Forza Horizon 4, Halo, Gears, Battletoads, Sea of Thieves... and so on.
1 system plays online for free, the others pay to play online... if you own a PC and an Xbox (I have a decent PC, and Xbox One S and an Xbox One X) you have a system where you play the game you just bought for free, and one where it costs you money to play it. the same game, same license but 2 different rule sets.
that becomes increasingly ridiculous as time goes on.
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Freeman
Banned
Back in the day we lived in a world where PC had free online that actually used dedicated servers while MS decided to charge for people to play p2p(and was praised for it!). There were plenty of game on PC and 360 back then including MS games.
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PresetError
Neophyte
If anybody owned 3 Xbox consoles this gen he surely deserves a compensation.
jimbojim
Banned
No, sorry. It was Crytek. In OT4 on ERA he said that there is a 90% chance for this. He also said there totally is still a chance for zero new XGS additions at E3 2019
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alstrike
Member
I don't think MS likes to burn money like that
01011001
Banned
that's not the point tho.
back then PC and Console were 2 completely separated markets, even for Microsoft. PC ports by Microsoft where rare and usually months if not years after the console release.
now they release the same games on both and usually with crossplay and cross-progression,
this means if you have an Xbox One X and a PC, you can start playing... Ori for example, on Xbox and then switch to PC using the same save which is automatically synced up via the cloud.
it's basically like using 2 Xboxes.
these games are even called "Xbox" games on PC... they have XBOX achievements, they can be bought and downloaded using the XBOX app on PC and again, they all use XBox Live as their infrastructure of friends, matchmaking and servers.
they are in XBOX GAME PASS for PC. Not PC Game Pass, no! it is XBOX GAME PASS for PC
that is not in the slightest way comparable to the old days where PC games were their own thing that was very much separate from Console.
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Freeman
Banned
As long as they win it doesn't matter how much it cost, it's an honor thing, their reputation is on the line. It's about doing what's best for the gamers.
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alstrike
Member
I laughed so hard that my neighbours might call the police.
MilkyJoe
Member
Bugger...
Freeman
Banned
Ok, I'll believe it when it happens and then I'll just wait for the day that their plan will reveal itself. You just don't give up a cash cow like live gold and invest so much in gamepass if you don't have a plan that gets you more than $15 a month.
Everything is always presented as a good things for the players but it rarely turns out that way.
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01011001
Banned
I'm also still skeptical, but with the way they bring PC and Xbox closer and closer, and now with the 12 month option just vanishing... there's a lot that points towards that outcome imo.
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