Calverz
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You are an idiot. Or 12 years old. Maybe both. Who knows.
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Killer Sakoman
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Don't bother with him. I think his best work is Johny Johny kids stuff on YouTube
lepermessiah
Member
Because it's going to sell like hot cakes on crack.
zaitsu
Banned
Im almost 30 MD, so bad guess.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
Not quite. When this was released you had rabid Xbox and PC fanboys hounding any and everybody associated with this demo for answers as to why this wasn't running on their platforms. Further exemplifying how big a generational jump this demo was and how jealous they were. Epic chose PS5 because of it's superior storage solution.
When the Minecraft RTX demo came out nobody gave a shit.
What I'm trying to say is while path tracing is the holy grail of graphics, we don't really care because it's just Minecraft. This Epic demo is a lot more exciting. So I flip this on you. Looking at the PS5 UE5 demo which caused much more uproar, what does this mean for XBOX?
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Thirty7ven
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Nobody bat an eye at the Minecraft RT demo.
Everybody went nuts with Unreal 5 tech demo.
Everybody went nuts with Unreal 5 tech demo.
Calverz
Gold Member
Path tracing is much more impressive and is the future. That unreal demo will run better on the xsx. And it was 1440p at 30fps. Its already been confirmed hellblade is using it......
Nickolaidas
Member
This will age well.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
If you just believe hard enough then anything is possible!
Calverz
Gold Member
Thats answers it then.
Dodkrake
Banned
No. Your thesis is that the medium is an Xbox exclusive. It's not, as demonstrated. I really don't care if you can or cannot afford a gaming PC because that was not the point you made. You're wrong, just admit it.
Calverz
Gold Member
Yea im sure it will. Go and get it framed if you like. You have my permission.
Calverz
Gold Member
Very true. Just like the power of teh ssd.
Nickolaidas
Member
Thanks. I'll hang it right next to those May 2019 'PS5 has RDNA 1' gems on my wall.
MastaKiiLA
Member
This thread is getting pretty light on the speculation, analysis, and leaks. LOL.
Calverz
Gold Member
Yea cool. Who said that? Wasnt me.....
Moridianae
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Microsoft hasn't had the smoothest of revelations about their console, but I don't believe(despite everything) they'd be mistaken enough to go for a $599 price in 2020. If you go for that price and don't even have Halo: Infinite to back your play, it's market suicide, especially if Sony holds as long as they can and undercuts you even by $50.
That price tag nearly cost Sony everything in 2006 for PS3 and that was in a time period that wasn't one of the worst recessions in 100 year history.
I maintain neither one go above $499 for their respective disc-based versions.
At the same time, it will be a bloodbath to get these systems. Everywhere I've gone lately(trying to find a good printer), every single console system is wiped out. Empty. Everywhere.
That price tag nearly cost Sony everything in 2006 for PS3 and that was in a time period that wasn't one of the worst recessions in 100 year history.
I maintain neither one go above $499 for their respective disc-based versions.
At the same time, it will be a bloodbath to get these systems. Everywhere I've gone lately(trying to find a good printer), every single console system is wiped out. Empty. Everywhere.
Rea
Member
Path tracing is still not practical to be use in games for next gen consoles, it cost too much to be even use in simple game like minecraft. Why are you so proud of it when path tracing won't be utilized in consoles for gaming? That minecraft demo is just to showoff and brag, not for use in real games, no consoles can handle that performance cost in complex animated gameplay in real- time. So no, there is nothing to see.
sircaw
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All we need is a few drops of blood from Microsoft or Sony and this Forum will explode.
Bloody vampires are we
Something that people seem to ignore is the fact that Microsoft was proud to show the games that they showed , They pretty much thought people would be happy with current gen games at higher settings , resolution & frame rates.
The 1st time it happened everyone was like it's just 3rd party games wait until the July show then the July show came & things was even worse. The showings wasn't mishaps this is really what Xbox had planned for the start of this generation.
The 1st time it happened everyone was like it's just 3rd party games wait until the July show then the July show came & things was even worse. The showings wasn't mishaps this is really what Xbox had planned for the start of this generation.
JonnyMP3
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Good luck with that split RAM architecture
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By-mission
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If the Xbox Series X did it better they would simply choose it for the UE5 presentation!
It's time to get over this, ...
Unreal Engine 5, is a commercial Engine ... and of course it will be available on all platforms that Epic can reach, Jesus if they could make it work even in a refrigerator ...
The point is that you have a product, and make no mistake the UE5 is a product, you would present it in the best condition for the whole world to see ...
And they chose PS5, because that's where they had the best version .. just accept that and move on ...
this was debated exhausted 500 pages ago, and when the games come out it will be debated again.
Mr Moose
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Hellblade 2 is using Unreal 5 right now? Can you back up your claim?
yewles1
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Not true, Sackboy, Astro bot and Destruction All Stars have been confirmed to be sub 4K so far.
Thedtrain
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The people in marketing would be so proud right now
MasterCornholio
Member
Well that's strange those games are not graphically intensive to begin with. Maybe All Stars being the most intensive but it still isn't by much.
Rea
Member
They never learned, aren't they. Only 10gb is faster than PS5, and the rest is slower. I do wonder what happens , when dev want to utilize game assets more than 10gb? And how is performance difference compare to PS5?Good luck with that split RAM architecture
Mr Moose
Member
I thought Astrobot was confirmed 4K, same with Destruction All Stars except for a scene where it was 1080p?
Edit: Dynamic apparently
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Moridianae
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Still blows my mind it may actually be close to mid-September before we actually know real information and can pre-order either of these systems..
I hope Sony is so quiet that even folks like Grubb don't know because they plan to go sometime here in August. Hard to believe both will remain silent through Gamescom, but maybe so.
I hope Sony is so quiet that even folks like Grubb don't know because they plan to go sometime here in August. Hard to believe both will remain silent through Gamescom, but maybe so.
VFXVeteran
Banned
I did. Look at the thread on HZD on PC and discuss there.
Calverz
Gold Member
I think they actually chose the company who paid them millions of dollars lol you honestly dont believe it will run the same and better on the series x? Deluded!
Thirty7ven
Banned
Can you move beyond this basic, by the numbers, Xbox fanboy act? Take the boy out of it and start spitting better material because you're stinking up the place with low effort, low level trolling.
lepermessiah
Member
He hath risen.
lepermessiah
Member
Lmao even if Sweeney is a paid shill, he can still be correct about memory management being superior on the PS5 because I don't know something about a whopping 12 controllers and more priority levels with the SSD/I/O because that's exactly what Series X has too...oh wait.
Calverz
Gold Member
No. I believe people should be called for spouting utter nonsense. Yourself included. Just because a widely used game engine had a showcase on a specific console, doesnt mean that is the best version available.
Nickolaidas
Member
But somehow you claiming that UE5 will run better on the XSX is gospel, right?
JonnyMP3
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*bows to you then headbangs*
Calverz
Gold Member
You know iv been wrong this whole time. The system with less specs should run this engine much better. Epic cleary picked the ps5 to show the demo, despite accepting millions of dollars from sony.
Audiophile
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The RT reflection quality in the Spidey MM trailers and screenshots looks exceptional. I have a hard time believing they rendering the reflections near or at full screen res on PS5 though (even taking into account cut off with roughness, softness and diffusion; they're so smooth and artifact free). However it doesn't look crispy and checker-boarded either (like GT5). Wondering if they're "injecting" their Temporal Injection solution into the reflections to bring them up to spec.
Also, I hope they use their Dynamic Res Scale + Temporal Injection tech for rendering res on PS5. Something like..
Performance Mode = 1440p+ DRS & TI+ML
Resolution Mode = 2034p+ DRS & TI+ML
Would also be nice to see VRS used as an inverse to DRS. It's preferable to selectively shade less of the less important pixels than render less pixels overall. Push overall res as high as possible and use VRS as needed, but when VRS is not there to save your bacon then resort to pushing overall res down. But use hybrid temporal injection + machine learning to reconstruct. Think of it as a triangle of elements: DRS, VRS, Reconstruction; all pushing an pulling to maintain performance while maximising the potential image quality at any given time.
Though I wonder, with the quality of Insomniac's reconstruction, motion blur, anti-aliasing and post processing pipeline; and double the reference samples feeding that in the 60fps mode; it might make the at or near-native 4K resolution mode totally irrelevant. Barring any major graphical/filtering/asset differences between modes of course...
Also, I hope they use their Dynamic Res Scale + Temporal Injection tech for rendering res on PS5. Something like..
Performance Mode = 1440p+ DRS & TI+ML
Resolution Mode = 2034p+ DRS & TI+ML
Would also be nice to see VRS used as an inverse to DRS. It's preferable to selectively shade less of the less important pixels than render less pixels overall. Push overall res as high as possible and use VRS as needed, but when VRS is not there to save your bacon then resort to pushing overall res down. But use hybrid temporal injection + machine learning to reconstruct. Think of it as a triangle of elements: DRS, VRS, Reconstruction; all pushing an pulling to maintain performance while maximising the potential image quality at any given time.
Though I wonder, with the quality of Insomniac's reconstruction, motion blur, anti-aliasing and post processing pipeline; and double the reference samples feeding that in the 60fps mode; it might make the at or near-native 4K resolution mode totally irrelevant. Barring any major graphical/filtering/asset differences between modes of course...
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Nickolaidas
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Less specs is debatable - TFlops don't tell the whole story. Unless you think that higher resolution >>> everything else.You know iv been wrong this whole time. The system with less specs should run this engine much better. Epic cleary picked the ps5 to show the demo, despite accepting millions of dollars from sony.
Crazychipmunx
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By this logic all games are xbox exclusives...
By-mission
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How many games since the Xbox Series X announcement did you see that were actually running on Series X since your announcement? And yes, it is a legitimate question ..
Because since the May event, what we received were warnings from, "Series X gameplay expectation" developers saying they were looking at was the "Series X equivalent PC version" or rather even poor Craig was running on the second PC 343 itself ...
But I do not judge you, grabbing Minecraft as a lifeline is too sad to keep repeating what at this point is more than obvious ... if Halo with 5 years of development and all Microsoft infinite money is like this, it will be Hellblade ll that will save Series X ...
Sorry for any embarrassment, but we know who the deluded is in this story, good luck with that
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Mr Moose
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You're wrong about Hellblade 2 using Unreal 5 right now so maybe? Who knows. We'll wait and see.You know iv been wrong this whole time. The system with less specs should run this engine much better. Epic cleary picked the ps5 to show the demo, despite accepting millions of dollars from sony.
Moridianae
Member
Microsoft really needs to step up on their first party offerings. So much potential with the studios they have acquired. Make some magic happen aside from the usual Halo, Forza, Fable and Gears.
Sony is rivaled only by Nintendo, the latter of which will never be beaten, in my opinion, for their top notch offerings and willingness to experiment, oft with much success.
Sony is rivaled only by Nintendo, the latter of which will never be beaten, in my opinion, for their top notch offerings and willingness to experiment, oft with much success.
zaitsu
Banned
That smart people avoids MS ? Yeah
IbelieveInGenerations
Banned
Weren't developers aiming to 60fps in some tweet response? Engine, tools and console are still a bit premature. No matter How good ps5 is to develope for, they can always find ways to push It harder and increase performance, after all, this gen didint even begin yet.
MasterCornholio
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You know iv been wrong this whole time. The system with less specs should run this engine much better. Epic cleary picked the ps5 to show the demo, despite accepting millions of dollars from sony.
I just read a comment that very well answer your question.
I think that's definitely a possibility on to why the demo wasn't shown on the XSX. Simply because the hardware wasn't ready for it. I mean I haven't seen any games running on the actual console so maybe it was impossible for epic to demo the game on XSX hardware.
Sony partnership aside.
sircaw
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An Australian man has been killed by a mackerel after the fish leapt from the sea into a fishing boat and struck him on the chest.
The 56-year-old man was fishing with family and friends in Darwin Harbour, in the Northern Territory, on Friday when the incident occurred.
It has begun,
NWO.
The 56-year-old man was fishing with family and friends in Darwin Harbour, in the Northern Territory, on Friday when the incident occurred.
It has begun,
NWO.
Darius87
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no your not but keep pretending you know better then guerrilla, because you're pseudo expert.
It does mean they believed it to be the best version at the time.
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