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[dishapath]

No. Games are made to sell regardless of platform. PC has a huge amount of games only available on them. Many times games come to PC first. PUBG for example. World of Warcraft is still only available on PC. Countless indie games.

WOW is a 16 year old game. There's a reason that Diablo 4 is being made for consoles. The industry has dumped PCs.

What's funny is that no one is mentioning the single game that actually validates the argument. Half-Life Alyx is undeniably a PC game. But it's such a one off, niche, irrelevant game that it says nothing about the blatantly obvious trend.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

WOW is a 16 year old game. There's a reason that Diablo 4 is being made for consoles. The industry has dumped PCs.

What's funny is that no one is mentioning the single game that actually validates the argument. Half-Life Alyx is undeniably a PC game. But it's such a one off, niche, irrelevant game that it says nothing about the blatantly obvious trend.

Hardly irrelevant since it's considered to be the best VR game available wouldn't you say? Is WOW not updated anymore? Does it still not have millions of subscribers?

 

[dishapath]

Hardly irrelevant since it's considered to be the best VR game available wouldn't you say? IS WOW not updated anymore? Does it still not have millions of subscribers?

VR in general is irrelevant. It was a big flop. Another failed experiment.

WOW doesn't have millions of subscribers anymore. In fact, it's so far in the toilet that they don't announce subscriber numbers anymore because of the bad optics/impact on their stock value that it'd have if they did.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

VR in general is irrelevant. It was a big flop. Another failed experiment.

WOW doesn't have millions of subscribers anymore. In fact, it's so far in the toilet that they don't announce subscriber numbers anymore because of the bad optics/impact on their stock value that it'd have if they did.

Is Person 4 Golden on Xbox? Because its on PC. How about Horizon? PC gets damn near everything outside of the obvious Nintendo stuff. So how have developers dumped the platform?

 

[dishapath]

Is Person 4 Golden on Xbox? Because its on PC. How about Horizon? PC gets damn near everything outside of the obvious Nintendo stuff. So how have developers dumped the platform?

Hi, Commander Data. Nice to meet you.

Seriously, are the people on this forum incapable of abstract thought? It's like you're fucking robots. Most statements are not intended to be taken 100% literally.

In the context of what we were talking about, I OBVIOUSLY meant that they've given up on the PC as a primary target platform NOT that they literally are never going to release a game on the PC.

Don't even bother banning me. Logging out. This forum is full of fucking retards.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

WOW is a 16 year old game. There's a reason that Diablo 4 is being made for consoles. The industry has dumped PCs.

That's a hot take right there.

There's a difference between publishers wanting to maximise their profits by releasing on all platforms and the industry "dumping" PC since there are less platform exclusives. Games are getting more expensive to make and we already saw this happen during the ps3-360 era when the cottage industry of 2nd party devs collapsed since you need those sales.

Hell, you even have japanese devs who historically shunned the pc releasing their heavy hitters on the platform: capcom, square enix, from software...

You don't have 20 devs releasing 4x-rts anymore because that's not economically viable anymore but for all intents and purposes the industry is onboard the pc train.

 

[Thugnificient]

You are so incredibly stupid. Just stop.

I literally said that high end PCs games don't exist anymore, and your argument is that they don't exist. Really compelling argument. You're a master debater. Really impressive.

You're literally saying that Carmack saying that Rage was designed for consoles is proof that games are designed for the PC.

You are so fucking stupid it's mind boggling.

Ah ah ah, look, he's mad.

High-end PC games still exist. RDR2 at Ultra averages like 40fps on my 2080 Ti + 9900K and is widely considered to be the best looking game on the market at the moment. Yet it was undoubtedly designed for consoles first to the point that some settings on consoles are LOWER than the lowest preset on PC allows.

Freakin TLOU2 and Ghost of Tsushima are designed on weak-ass hardware and dump on the vast majority of PC games in visuals.

Your high-end PC games that need a top-tier rig just to run NEVER existed. Stop lying and digging your own grave.

Carmack didn't say Rage was designed for consoles and this was 10 years ago. He said consoles were similar to PC so it was easy to use them as a baseline which makes sense. Rage came out almost in 2012 and by then, the Xbox 360 was six years old and FAR below an average PC in terms of capabilities so John Carmack opted to go for the lowest common denominator, aka a console.

Here's the kicker though, usually when consoles come out, they outdo the average PC by quite a bit YET the average PC can still run most games despite them being supposedly designed for consoles first. How can that be? Perhaps because when consoles first come out and they can trade with a mid-range PC, they are NOT the lowest common denominator? Potato PC's are and as time goes by, consoles which have a fixed config get progressively weaker UNTIL they become the lowest common denominator.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Hi, Commander Data. Nice to meet you.

Seriously, are the people on this forum incapable of abstract thought? It's like you're fucking robots. Most statements are not intended to be taken 100% literally.

In the context of what we were talking about, I OBVIOUSLY meant that they've given up on the PC as a primary target platform NOT that they literally are never going to release a game on the PC.

Don't even bother banning me. Logging out. This forum is full of fucking retards.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

 

[Thugnificient]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

He's losing his mind lmao.

Just because he's getting buttblasted in an argument.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

He's losing his mind lmao.

Just because he's getting buttblasted in an argument.

Sad. Anyway back to the grownup conversation... 20 gigs of ram on the 3080? Hot damn.

 

[VFXVeteran]

Just to be clear, it's confirmed that Horizon stutters on every PC setup regardless of hardware configuration. It objectively runs worse on the PC than the PS4.

That is completely false. My rig doesn't stutter at all and it looks leagues better than the PS4 version.

ANY game developer you talk to will admit that they target consoles at their primary platform and will make compromises that they wouldn't make otherwise to hit those targets.

No they won't because it isn't true. In the scope of the game, yes. In graphics tech? No.

Games are made for consoles. They're not made for PCs. This is universally accepted by every rational person.

It's a false acceptance as far as technology is concerned. It's like saying that the Sun orbited the earth because it was universally accepted as true -- until it was objectively found to be false. Just because people on the forums believe it's true doesn't make it true.

 

[VFXVeteran]

Sad. Anyway back to the grownup conversation... 20 gigs of ram on the 3080? Hot damn.

I'll take it! I want more VRAM than 11G. Tired of that configuration. The 1T bandwidth is what's the real meat. That card can brute force a LOT of graphics features! I love it!

 

[VFXVeteran]

I just thought of something. If these rumors are true, then Nvidia is pushing really really far with their GPU releases. What I mean by that is the tech is so advanced that the cards can last an entire generation easily. These 300x cards will last all of the next-gen 6yrs or so. I'm wondering when the first game will tax the 3000 series cards to where you can't get 4k/60FPS with full on path tracing. It'll be exciting to watch. Games that don't use RT should be trivial to render with the 300x cards (i.e. like the UE5 demo).

 

[Siri]

Actually, it's not false. Horizon is a stuttery piece of crap on the PC regardless of the hardware you have. It objectively runs better on a PS4 than a PC with a 1060. So good job on spreading more FUD.

This is false.

I'm running at a constant 60 FPS at 21:9 on an RTX 2080 Ti at max settings without any frame-time issues - Horizon is easily one of the best day-one ports I've played In recent years.

 

[fran.fernandez]

Would be able to run last of us 2?

 

[idrago01]

I just thought of something. If these rumors are true, then Nvidia is pushing really really far with their GPU releases. What I mean by that is the tech is so advanced that the cards can last an entire generation easily. These 300x cards will last all of the next-gen 6yrs or so. I'm wondering when the first game will tax the 3000 series cards to where you can't get 4k/60FPS with full on path tracing. It'll be exciting to watch. Games that don't use RT should be trivial to render with the 300x cards (i.e. like the UE5 demo).

it's unfortunate that we don't see many games made that are intended primarily for the high end pc enthusiast anymore. everything revolves around the playstation since that's where the money is. i would love to see a game come out designed with the 3080ti in mind and just wow us from a graphical perspective like crysis did back in the day. haven't really seen anything stand out so far this year other than the UE5 demo

 

[//DEVIL//]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 30 'Ampere' Graphics Cards Rumors: RTX 3090 24 GB, RTX 3080 20 GB, RTX 3070 16 GB , Double The Ray-Tracing & DLSS Performance Over Turing

Specifications and performance of NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 3090, RTX 3080 & RTX 3070 Gaming Ampere graphics cards have leaked out.

wccftech.com

"Now coming to the memory side, Micron has confirmed that GDDR6X is indeed happening for the next-generation NVIDIA lineup. The main SKUs include:

NVIDIA Titan - 48 GB GDDR6X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 - 24 GB GDDR6X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 - 20 GB GDDR6X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 - 16 GB GDDR6X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 - 12 GB GDDR6X

3DMark Time Spy Extreme 'Rumored' Performance Numbers:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Founders Edition - 10,000 Graphics Score
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Founders Edition - 9,000
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Founders Edition - 7,300
MSI Nvidia RTX 2080 Ti Lightning Z (OC) - 7665
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super - 5549
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 - 5024

As for the power consumption, the GeForce RTX 3080 is mentioned to feature a total power draw of around 300W while GeForce RTX 3090 should exceed 350 Watts. This is a higher jump in power figures than any generation we have seen so far but at the same time, the performance will ideally match the power input and hence lead to similar or even better efficiency figures than Turing. The GeForce RTX 3070 which will feature the GA104 GPU is suggested to feature power consumption of around 200 Watts which will actually be lower than the RTX 2080 (non-SUPER at 215W). If that's the case, then Ampere definitely improves upon efficiency as the RTX 3070 will offer performance that is higher than an overclocked RTX 2080 Ti (275W) while consuming much less power.

As per the rumor, all GeForce RTX 30 series graphics cards will be 20% more expensive than their Turing based predecessors. This suggests that the GeForce RTX 3090 will be close to $1400 US and the GeForce RTX 3080 will be close to $800 US. The GeForce RTX 3070 could still retail for around $500 US which is offering performance better than an RTX 2080 Ti for $700-$800 US less and with higher memory capacity.

Surprisingly, the poster alleges that the GeForce RTX 3060 based on the GA106 GPU will be highly competitive against the Sony PS5 which will make use of the RDNA 2 architecture with around 9.0 TFLOPs of horsepower while being more cost-effective as a graphics solution. There's also talk that the competition, AMD's Big Navi (RDNA 2 / Navi 21) GPU, may only be able to compete against the GeForce RTX 3070 and that too in terms of pricing, not performance. That's definitely speculation territory but the leaker who posted the PCB picture also stated similar details in regards to GPU competition between NVIDIA Ampere and AMD's RDNA 2.

Graphics Card Name GPU Name SMs / CUDA Cores Memory Capacity Memory Bus Launch Timeframe
NVIDIA GeForce RTX RTX 3090 Ampere GA102-300? 5248 (82)? 24 GB GDDR6X? 384-bit? September 2020
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ampere GA102-200? 4352 (68)? 20 GB GDDR6X? 320-bit? September 2020
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti? Ampere GA104-400? 2944 (46)? 16 GB GDDR6X? 256-bit? October 2020
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ampere GA106-300? TBD 12 GB GDDR6X? 192-bit? November 2020"

Sorry. Not buying half of the things been said here . They are just throwing random shit and hope that .
You want to tell me a 3080ti is 20gig ( assuming the 24 is reserved to the titan ) and the lower one that is coming in 2020 sept is 10 gig directly while the 16 gig ti be announced later ? What kind of fud is this ? Lol

10 ducking gigs difference between the 3080ti/3090 whatever you wanna call it and the next one directly under it ?
Yeah no doesn't click with me

 

[Rikkori]

Sorry. Not buying half of the things been said here . They are just throwing random shit and hope that .
You want to tell me a 3080ti is 20gig ( assuming the 24 is reserved to the titan ) and the lower one that is coming in 2020 sept is 10 gig directly while the 16 gig ti be announced later ? What kind of fud is this ? Lol

10 ducking gigs difference between the 3080ti/3090 whatever you wanna call it and the next one directly under it ?
Yeah no doesn't click with me

There's really only 2 options. Either they give a double vram option or not. If the AMD rumours are true big navi will be 16 GB, so that leaves Nvidia at a massive disadvantage, as their card with comparable performance would be the 3080, which would have 10 GB, and also still less than previous flagships which had 11 GB. With the Turing launch GDDR6 prices were high as it was brand new, but today that's no longer the case so they can definitely fit more vram options.

Btw you're misunderstanding. The titan would have 48 GB (but also isn't a gaming card), it's the 3090 which would have 24 GB, and then 3080 20 GB etc.

3090 = 24 GB
3080 = 10/20 GB
3070 = 8/16 GB
3060 = 6/12 GB

 

[Dirk Benedict]

There's really only 2 options. Either they give a double vram option or not. If the AMD rumours are true big navi will be 16 GB, so that leaves Nvidia at a massive disadvantage, as their card with comparable performance would be the 3080, which would have 10 GB, and also still less than previous flagships which had 11 GB. With the Turing launch GDDR6 prices were high as it was brand new, but today that's no longer the case so they can definitely fit more vram options.

Btw you're misunderstanding. The titan would have 48 GB (but also isn't a gaming card), it's the 3090 which would have 24 GB, and then 3080 20 GB etc.

3090 = 24 GB
3080 = 10/20 GB
3070 = 8/16 GB
3060 = 6/12 GB

I think 2k for the top tier(below Titan) seems like it will be a thing. I'm glad I oversaved. I have 3k for the GPU, alone, although I know I shouldn't need that much. I will do the step up program with EVGA and go with a good 3 year warranty.
I hope it's less, but signs pointing at 20-24gb Vram for top GAMING card seems more likely.

Either way, my checking is ready and my links are ready. I literally want to be among the first to buy/RMA(lol)

 

[wordslaughter]

There's really only 2 options. Either they give a double vram option or not. If the AMD rumours are true big navi will be 16 GB, so that leaves Nvidia at a massive disadvantage, as their card with comparable performance would be the 3080, which would have 10 GB, and also still less than previous flagships which had 11 GB. With the Turing launch GDDR6 prices were high as it was brand new, but today that's no longer the case so they can definitely fit more vram options.

Btw you're misunderstanding. The titan would have 48 GB (but also isn't a gaming card), it's the 3090 which would have 24 GB, and then 3080 20 GB etc.

3090 = 24 GB
3080 = 10/20 GB
3070 = 8/16 GB
3060 = 6/12 GB

This is good, because I'm not going to replace my 1080ti with a 3080 if it only has 10GB of VRAM.... still waiting on price of 3090.

Is all of this shifting of tiers JUST so that Nvidia can claim that AMD doesn't have anything above their XX80?

 

[Black_Stride]

NVIDIA Titan - 48 GB GDDR6X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 - 24 GB GDDR6X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 - 20 GB GDDR6X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 - 16 GB GDDR6X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 - 12 GB GDDR6X

3DMark Time Spy Extreme 'Rumored' Performance Numbers:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Founders Edition - 10,000 Graphics Score
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Founders Edition - 9,000
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Founders Edition - 7,300
MSI Nvidia RTX 2080 Ti Lightning Z (OC) - 7665
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super - 5549
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 - 5024

If this is true and the price hike isnt too crazy even an RTX 3060 would be a hell of a good buy.
It should be around RTX 2080 performance but with 12GB of VRAM.
And that RTX 3070 16GB?

My rendering is about to get alot less stressful.

 

[Rikkori]

New rumours, kinda smelly tho, but I leave it here for entertainment at least, I'm too hyped to care:

 

[wordslaughter]

What do you think is smelly about that rumor?

Seems very possible (likely) to me.

 

[Black_Stride]

New rumours, kinda smelly tho, but I leave it here for entertainment at least, I'm too hyped to care:

If these cards really are as powerful and VRAM ready im hyped.
A 20% price hike though.....nah fam, i dun want none of that.
The RTX 3070 is basically replacing the RTX 2080 in price....which is fucked up in my books.
The ~2080ti Ampere card should be xx70 priced.

 

[Antitype]

Not like it should surprise anyone at this point, but if the rumors from the twitter thread are true, RDNA2 will require 330-375w to match the performance of what Ampere can do with only 200w.. Wow. Unless AMD price them very competitively (read much cheaper than the Ampere counterparts) Navi21 is dead on arrival.

 

[//DEVIL//]

There's really only 2 options. Either they give a double vram option or not. If the AMD rumours are true big navi will be 16 GB, so that leaves Nvidia at a massive disadvantage, as their card with comparable performance would be the 3080, which would have 10 GB, and also still less than previous flagships which had 11 GB. With the Turing launch GDDR6 prices were high as it was brand new, but today that's no longer the case so they can definitely fit more vram options.

Btw you're misunderstanding. The titan would have 48 GB (but also isn't a gaming card), it's the 3090 which would have 24 GB, and then 3080 20 GB etc.

3090 = 24 GB
3080 = 10/20 GB
3070 = 8/16 GB
3060 = 6/12 GB

The Radeon 7 had a 16 gig of ram and it did nothing against an 8 gig of 2080.
It's just those numbers don't add up. Not from nvidia anyway .
This 10/20 and 8/16 can't be right lol

 

[RoadHazard]

How many PS5s will this (admittedly very impressive) card cost?

 

[Thugnificient]

How many PS5s will this (admittedly very impressive) card cost?

I'd say 3.

 

[Rikkori]

What do you think is smelly about that rumor?

Seems very possible (likely) to me.

The Navi info is straight up dumb. No way is the performance that poor and power draw that big, it's simply not possible because it would mean they essentially regressed. 0% chance. I'm also skeptical 3090 will be 1.7x a 2080 Ti, it just doesn't line up with rest of the rumours. Lastly, kopite says it's BS and I trust him he has a track record.

 

[wordslaughter]

But EVERY AMD GPU for years has been exactly that - way higher power draw than the comparable Nvidia GPU.

Honestly I'll be surprised if it actually makes sense to compare the new AMD GPUs to the 3000 series instead of 2000.

 

[FireFly]

Not like it should surprise anyone at this point, but if the rumors from the twitter thread are true, RDNA2 will require 330-375w to match the performance of what Ampere can do with only 200w.. Wow. Unless AMD price them very competitively (read much cheaper than the Ampere counterparts) Navi21 is dead on arrival.

That doesn't match up with AMD's claimed 50% performance per watt improvement, and the existing power draw of the RX 5700 series.

But EVERY AMD GPU for years has been exactly that - way higher power draw than the comparable Nvidia GPU.

Honestly I'll be surprised if it actually makes sense to compare the new AMD GPUs to the 3000 series instead of 2000.

It's on a newer process, but the 5700 XT has comparable power consumption to the 2070, and the 5700 has comparable power consumption to the 2060. The vanilla 5700 actually has pretty great performance per watt.

 

[VFXVeteran]

it's unfortunate that we don't see many games made that are intended primarily for the high end pc enthusiast anymore. everything revolves around the playstation since that's where the money is. i would love to see a game come out designed with the 3080ti in mind and just wow us from a graphical perspective like crysis did back in the day. haven't really seen anything stand out so far this year other than the UE5 demo

FS2020

 

[pawel86ck]

New rumours, kinda smelly tho, but I leave it here for entertainment at least, I'm too hyped to care:

So RDNA2 GPUs will not match Ampere high end 3090. Who's surprised?

 

[Rikkori]

So RDNA2 GPUs will not match Ampere high end 3090. Who's surprised?

That's not surprising. It would be surprising if it didn't match everything below it.

 

[idrago01]

FS2020

yeah i'm def going to check it out on steam when it releases, it's funny bc the original flight simulator was one of the first programs i ever remember playing on a pc jr with what 256 kb of ram

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

Just to be clear, it's confirmed that Horizon stutters on every PC setup regardless of hardware configuration. It objectively runs worse on the PC than the PS4.

ANY game developer you talk to will admit that they target consoles at their primary platform and will make compromises that they wouldn't make otherwise to hit those targets.

Games are made for consoles. They're not made for PCs. This is universally accepted by every rational person.

You lose.

It's a shame we lost such an intelligent level headed poster /s

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I'll take it! I want more VRAM than 11G. Tired of that configuration. The 1T bandwidth is what's the real meat. That card can brute force a LOT of graphics features! I love it!

It'll be badass if true. I'm just hoping for non kidney selling prices and plenty of supply.

 

[Thugnificient]

That doesn't match up with AMD's claimed 50% performance per watt improvement, and the existing power draw of the RX 5700 series.


It's on a newer process, but the 5700 XT has comparable power consumption to the 2070, and the 5700 has comparable power consumption to the 2060. The vanilla 5700 actually has pretty great performance per watt.

Turing is 12nm vs 7nm for RDNA1. Ampere will be 7-8nm.

 

[FireFly]

Turing is 12nm vs 7nm for RDNA1. Ampere will be 7-8nm.

Apparently Samsung's 8nm process is an optimised version of their 10 nm one, so AMD could still have a substantial process advantage, especially if they using an optimised 7nm process themselves.

 

[CuNi]

Apparently Samsung's 8nm process is an optimised version of their 10 nm one, so AMD could still have a substantial process advantage, especially if they using an optimised 7nm process themselves.

But apparently the high-end cards are rumored to be using TSMC 7nm which would be the same process node AMD is using.

 

[llien]

Micron, supplier of DDR6x chips, said it's 12GB for the high end model.
Surely they would know if modules that they supply are 2GB each or not.

With 4K targeting consoles being at 16GB (and that includes OS and code),what would be the point of going 24GB?
Among other things, it would increase power consumption, something that already look problematic with Ampere.

It isn't cheap either. And it consumes quite a bit of power too.

So RDNA2 GPUs will not match Ampere high end 3090. Who's surprised?

Can people get some basic understanding of stuff, before bitching please?

Moving from 28nm budget starved AMD got to a point when they could not afford developing GPUs (!!!). (20nm fluke likely hit them hard too, as they notoriously embrace new processes first). It was one arch for compute and gaming and even then, there was no money to try things (remember, how Volta never turned into a gaming GPU?)

Vega sucked at gaming. Even on 7nm, 330mm2 chip with expensive HBM memory struggled to show performance.
And then came Navi, 250mm chips, worse RAM, performance close to 330mm2 => a major leap forward. Oh, and major jump in perf/watt too.

Reasons?
1) AMD GPU R&D is still small compared to the green/blue, but by AMDs standards they are properly funded.
2) RDNA + CDNA split (Gaming / Compute)
It was surprising how quickly it came.

Now let's compare Navi to Turing:
1) perf/transistor parity (curiously, even CU vs CU)
2) per/watt parity (which means AMD is behind, as it is 7nm DUV (early crap) vs "12nm", mature, but not really 12nm process). That was acknowledged by Dr Su, so RDNA2 aims to have 50% improvement over RDNA1 (some of it will naturally come from 7nm EUV vs DUV


And now to that abstract 3090 thing, and "they couldn't beat" cretinism: which goddamn idiot expected 250mm2 NAVI cards to beat 754mm2 Turing? Fucking size does fucking matter, across the board comparisons are nonsensical. And "oh, but I don't care" only matters if you don't care about price, which is not the case even for those in this thread, who claim it (they'd be wielding that other obnoxiously priced thing with MSRP of $2.500 GPU and not $1.200 one)


Rumors put AMD's biggest RDNA2 card at 505mm2. That should produce cards priced quite beyond $500, but not $1k+ ones. Which is where 99% of the gamers are.

Oh, and if NVidia rolls out even bigger GPUs, priced $1k+, so what? If the cheaperst card is $900 and called 3070Ti, so what? Will things change at all, if price is the same, but they call it 3060, does what does that change? Nothing, besides what some silly kids can use in silly arguments.



And now to 'Ampere vs Big Navi'.
2080Ti is about 36 to 46% (depending on resolution) faster than 5700XT, 250mm2 chip on 7nm DUV with 36CUs.
Why would chip double the size on superior process (7nm EUV) perform worse?
Power consumption? XSeX has 52CU one, Sony can push 36CU one beyond 2Ghz in a console.
Add to it Samsung 8nm used by nvidia being in fact slightly better 10nm.
And the fact that TSMC 7nm rocks.

By the way, I remember we expected Ampere this Spring, what happened to that?


Performance expectations could be laid out in terms of performance vs 2080Ti.
505mm2 "Big Navi" (some rumors put it at 485mm2) should be able to comfortably beat 2080Ti (20%-50% faster, depending on how much arch improvements they actually bring) and be in "under $1k" price category.
What NV releases beyond that, should not matter to 99% of the gamers.

 

[BattleScar]

WCCFTech talk a bunch of shite. We're a little over 2 weeks away now.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 30 'Ampere' Graphics Cards Rumors: RTX 3090 24 GB, RTX 3080 20 GB, RTX 3070 16 GB , Double The Ray-Tracing & DLSS Performance Over Turing

Specifications and performance of NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 3090, RTX 3080 & RTX 3070 Gaming Ampere graphics cards have leaked out.

wccftech.com

"Now coming to the memory side, Micron has confirmed that GDDR6X is indeed happening for the next-generation NVIDIA lineup. The main SKUs include:

NVIDIA Titan - 48 GB GDDR6X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 - 24 GB GDDR6X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 - 20 GB GDDR6X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 - 16 GB GDDR6X
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 - 12 GB GDDR6X

3DMark Time Spy Extreme 'Rumored' Performance Numbers:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Founders Edition - 10,000 Graphics Score
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Founders Edition - 9,000
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Founders Edition - 7,300
MSI Nvidia RTX 2080 Ti Lightning Z (OC) - 7665
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super - 5549
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 - 5024

As for the power consumption, the GeForce RTX 3080 is mentioned to feature a total power draw of around 300W while GeForce RTX 3090 should exceed 350 Watts. This is a higher jump in power figures than any generation we have seen so far but at the same time, the performance will ideally match the power input and hence lead to similar or even better efficiency figures than Turing. The GeForce RTX 3070 which will feature the GA104 GPU is suggested to feature power consumption of around 200 Watts which will actually be lower than the RTX 2080 (non-SUPER at 215W). If that's the case, then Ampere definitely improves upon efficiency as the RTX 3070 will offer performance that is higher than an overclocked RTX 2080 Ti (275W) while consuming much less power.

As per the rumor, all GeForce RTX 30 series graphics cards will be 20% more expensive than their Turing based predecessors. This suggests that the GeForce RTX 3090 will be close to $1400 US and the GeForce RTX 3080 will be close to $800 US. The GeForce RTX 3070 could still retail for around $500 US which is offering performance better than an RTX 2080 Ti for $700-$800 US less and with higher memory capacity.

Surprisingly, the poster alleges that the GeForce RTX 3060 based on the GA106 GPU will be highly competitive against the Sony PS5 which will make use of the RDNA 2 architecture with around 9.0 TFLOPs of horsepower while being more cost-effective as a graphics solution. There's also talk that the competition, AMD's Big Navi (RDNA 2 / Navi 21) GPU, may only be able to compete against the GeForce RTX 3070 and that too in terms of pricing, not performance. That's definitely speculation territory but the leaker who posted the PCB picture also stated similar details in regards to GPU competition between NVIDIA Ampere and AMD's RDNA 2.

Graphics Card Name GPU Name SMs / CUDA Cores Memory Capacity Memory Bus Launch Timeframe
NVIDIA GeForce RTX RTX 3090 Ampere GA102-300? 5248 (82)? 24 GB GDDR6X? 384-bit? September 2020
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ampere GA102-200? 4352 (68)? 20 GB GDDR6X? 320-bit? September 2020
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti? Ampere GA104-400? 2944 (46)? 16 GB GDDR6X? 256-bit? October 2020
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ampere GA106-300? TBD 12 GB GDDR6X? 192-bit? November 2020"

According to an article published by Tom's Hardware less than 24 hours ago, the 3090 will have only 12GB of GDDR6.

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090 Founders Edition Review: Heir to the Titan Throne

The GeForce RTX 3090 is a Titan-class card, with a bigger performance benefit than older GPUs, but minus a few professional features.

www.tomshardware.com

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090 At A Glance:

• 12GB GDDR6X at 21Gbps (1TBps)
• More SMs, cores, and 21 TFLOPS (e.g., could be 84 SMs at 2GHz or 118 SMs at 1.4GHz)
• 7nm part should be much more efficient than Turing
• Release Date: RTX 3090 unveiling expected on September 1, 2020
• Price: RTX 3090 could cost a lot, but no confirmed price yet

 

[StreetsofBeige]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

26 messages in and he already bailed ship in a tantrum.

Is that a record?

 

[Nydus]

The micron sheet didn't say 12gb. It said number of placements. I'm no expert but maybe they meant the card has 12 chips with 2gb ram each?

Also if the price hike is true I'm out. The 1080Ti was my first top of the line card and I loved the feeling to have THE best. The 2080Ti was a bit too expensive but I got a good deal on a used one so with the sell of the 1080Ti I could stomach the cost. But if I have to pay over 1000€ for a used card and God knows what for a new one I don't want it. It's not that I don't have the money, but I also have a wife and two kids to spend my disposable income on and gaming is just a hobby, nothing more.

 

[Patrick S.]

Man, GPU prizes have gotten fucking crazy.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

The micron sheet didn't say 12gb. It said number of placements. I'm no expert but maybe they meant the card has 12 chips with 2gb ram each?

Also if the price hike is true I'm out. The 1080Ti was my first top of the line card and I loved the feeling to have THE best. The 2080Ti was a bit too expensive but I got a good deal on a used one so with the sell of the 1080Ti I could stomach the cost. But if I have to pay over 1000€ for a used card and God knows what for a new one I don't want it. It's not that I don't have the money, but I also have a wife and two kids to spend my disposable income on and gaming is just a hobby, nothing more.

Sounds like you shouldn't have gotten married and had kids; you messed up big time. Single and childless is the way to be, chumpo!

Spoiler

I'm seriously just joking. It must be awesome to have a woman who's vowed to be with you and two miniature versions of you and her.

 

[Nydus]

Sounds like you shouldn't have gotten married and had kids; you messed up big time. Single and childless is the way to be, chumpo!

Spoiler

I'm seriously just joking. It must be awesome to have a woman who's vowed to be with you and two miniature versions of you and her.

Awww thanks that sweet of you but it really feels like that if your not able to put much of your income in gaming cause of other responsibilities or pulling six figures you kinda get left behind in the top end gaming of the future. :/

 

[Tesseract]

please gib 3090 and ue5 tools

 

[BluRayHiDef]

Awww thanks that sweet of you but it really feels like that if your not able to put much of your income in gaming cause of other responsibilities or pulling six figures you kinda get left behind in the top end gaming of the future. :/

Well, all I can say is...get a more lucrative job? I dunno', man. If it's any consolation, enthusiast cards account for a small fraction of cards that are sold. So, most people are "getting left behind."