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[LQX]

I just don't get the angle they're going for in trying to sell Game Pass more than the console itself. Game Pass is only on the XBox and PC, and I'm sure the brunt of the sales comes from XBox, but if folks are not compelled to buy an XBox Series console like they are a PS5 there goes a sale for Game Pass. A subscription model works for Netflix, Disney+, ect. because you can get the services on damn near anything, you don't need a specific TV, phone ect. like you do an XBox to really take advantage of Game Pass. It just seems like a misstep to try and make the console secondary to the service when the service cant be had everywhere.

 

[Nikana]

I just don't get the angle they're going for in trying to sell Game Pass more than the console itself. Game Pass is only on the XBox and PC, and I'm sure the brunt of the sales comes from XBox, but if folks are not compelled to buy an XBox Series console like they are a PS5 there goes a sale for Game Pass. A subscription model works for Netflix, Disney+, ect. because you can get the services on damn near anything, you don't need a specific TV, phone ect. like you do an XBox to really take advantage of Game Pass. It just seems like a misstep to try and make the console secondary to the service when the service cant be had everywhere.

GP is coming to android.

 

[fermcr]

When someone doesn't mind being last place in sales, it's time for him to go...

 

[onQ123]

Lol why are you so hooked on the interface? People buy controllers and headphones for there phones too. People buy sound bars and extra universal remotes for there TVs as well.

The point you keep going to is nonsense.

Look around which one of these things is reality?


People everywhere with controllers hooked to their TVs or people who don't have controllers hooked to their TVs?

if you think the truth is nonsense you live in a fantasy world.

 

[Dibils2k]

fanboys hate to hear this (both sides), but its just facts, MS literally doesnt care where you play aslong as you have gamepass

yes this approach was likely brought about because sony was totally dominating them but hat doesnt change the fact that MS has zero interest in beating PS console sales

the day they brough their exclusives to PC was the day Microsoft left the console wars

 

[Shubh_C63]

Gonna copy paste something from the other post.

Microsoft Now =
Top Priority, Netflix of AA Games on PC, Then, Hardware Sales, AAA Investment.
Why? - AAA are risky business and MS doesn't necessarily has sureshot talented developers like Sony, Nintendo. All their AAA will be something they can milk for 5+ years. They are happy to throw money at indie devs or respected indie devs for occasional releases.

Neglecting Xbox One audience would be unwise even though they set themselves back in front of hardcore gamers. They will continue to provide the illusion that they wanna compete toe to toe but inside they are going this route, which is PERFECT from a business point of view.

Sony keeps making amazing AAA games and sell hardware.
Nintendo does what Shark tale thinks is right.
Microsoft will engage non-hardcore players with interesting AA games on their Monthly service with literal handful of AAA game for hardcores.

 

[H-I-M]

Sony Q1 FY2020 (April-June) Results - PS4: 1.9m (LTD: 112.3m) / Best Quarter ever for PlayStation / Strong FY20 FCT: $23.4B Revenue & $2.24B Profit Sales

*The US Dollar figures have been converted from Japanese Yen with exchange rate provided in Sony fiscal reports Source 1 / Source 2 Highlights : Over $5.63B Revenue and $1.153B Profit between April-June 2020 (Q1 FY20) Biggest Revenue ever for PlayStation (and for any platform holder) during...

www.resetera.com

That user really bought Phil's bullshit "we can sell 5 consoles, won't matter cause our cheap services will magically bring in billions".

 

[Slings and Arrows]

People disregarded this, after they walked it back, but they really don't believe in generations.

The future Microsoft sees is semi-hardware-agnostic, with the same games spread over a variety of hardware and services, targeting the maximum possible number of consumers.

If you don't take them at their word, take a look at their last two showings. They're seriously more concerned with saying, 'You can play all of this on GamePass, and in any non-competitor place you choose', than building up their big, next-gen console.

This is why we keep seeing conflicts between what MS deigns appropriate for its shows, and what gamers do. We show up to see a 12TF monster strut it's stuff -- they show up seeing the 12 TF monster as one part of a whole.

But that's not reality.

Wanted console generations to end and having no more generations are two different realities.

Why are Microsoft so arrogant to think that they can change the formula? Even when all evidence points to Xbox Og and 360 - very good, xbone and xsx (potentially) bad.

They know what makes a successful console, they owned the industry for 10 years, when they did care about sales, now they don't care about sales and they're only a few steps away from being a laughing stock at best and going the way of the Sega-saurs at worst.

 

[Knitted Knight]

So by saying at the end that a Murderer is less to be feared... is that a way of saying we should have Hillary instead? Asking for a friend.

Matrick.

 

[Hobbygaming]

As if he could LMAO

Lol it's like when someone loses and says "I wasn't even trying"

 

[onQ123]

3 Billion+ gamers in the world. Microsoft going for them all.

They only need 1% of China

 

[Nikana]

But that's not reality.

Wanted console generations to end and having no more generations are two different realities.

Why are Microsoft so arrogant to think that they can change the formula? Even when all evidence points to Xbox Og and 360 - very good, xbone and xsx (potentially) bad.

They know what makes a successful console, they owned the industry for 10 years, when they did care about sales, now they don't care about sales and they're only a few steps away from being a laughing stock at best and going the way of the Sega-saurs at worst.

How is taking a different strategy arrogant? They have tried for three generations to be like the other players and have had a lot of success but just as many failures.

Them charging their strategy is out of need to change. Nothing with arrogance

 

[Aguero9320]

Consoles will disappear, like CD and dvd/blu-Ray players, and it will happen before Sony fans and gaming dinosaurs realise what’s happening to them...

 

[Sir Vilhelm]

There's two ways this thread can go:

1: Hahaha, of course he's saying this, Xbox is sux0r, lololol

2: Realizing Microsoft really is trying something different, almost to the detriment of Series X (see exclusives) and discussing the pros and cons of that.

I really want 2 to happen, but I'm not hopeful.

Yup

I said this months ago, Microsoft metrics for success isn't hardware sales. That's been obvious for anyone paying attention. Console warriors are just pissed because they're still worried about sales numbers

 

[kruis]

gotta have something to sell the subs on right? Can’t sell imusic subs without making an iOS device.

Spotify, HBO, Disney, Hulu and Netflix disagree.

 

[RCU005]

There's two ways this thread can go:

1: Hahaha, of course he's saying this, Xbox is sux0r, lololol

2: Realizing Microsoft really is trying something different, almost to the detriment of Series X (see exclusives) and discussing the pros and cons of that.

I really want 2 to happen, but I'm not hopeful.

The thing is that it is a very weird strategy. If you have a business of, say, selling mattresses, you'd want to sell as much as you want. After all, that's how rich brands got rich, right?

If they want to get into the business of services instead of selling consoles, then why limit themselves to their own (relatively small) ecosystem, instead of expanding into the 100+ million PS and 50+ million nintendo users? The way Netflix got as big as it is, is because they made deals with TV manufacturers to include their app everywhere. TVs, Blu-ray's, Phones, Toaster, etc. They also need to put Gamepass everywhere, too.

I had said it before, Microsoft would have a much healthier and successful business as a third party publisher. They would have better chances to make great games that sell better on the Playstation and Nintendo consoles. They could make exclusive deals with Sony and/or Nintendo.

There's much more Microsoft could do as a publisher than as a console maker.

 

[Knitted Knight]

Consoles will disappear, like CD and dvd/blu-Ray players, and it will happen before Sony fans and gaming dinosaurs realise what’s happening to them...

 

[Nikana]

There's two ways this thread can go:

1: Hahaha, of course he's saying this, Xbox is sux0r, lololol

2: Realizing Microsoft really is trying something different, almost to the detriment of Series X (see exclusives) and discussing the pros and cons of that.

I really want 2 to happen, but I'm not hopeful.

We need a thread made without the clickbaity headline for any chance of #2 happening.

 

[Airbus Jr]

Reason why Phil Spencer talk like that

Dont open this heartbreaking spoiler if youre an xboxer

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Spoiler: Ok here it goes

 

[Vasto]

They only need 1% of China

Going to be interesting to see if X Cloud can get that 1%.

 

[Self High Five]

If [the traditional console war] was our approach, we wouldn't put our games on PC, we wouldn't put our games on Xbox One, we wouldn't do xCloud and allow people to play games on their phones.

Sweet. Shouldn't have no issues putting your games on Switch and PS4/5.

 

[Nikana]

The thing is that it is a very weird strategy. If you have a business of, say, selling mattresses, you'd want to sell as much as you want. After all, that's how rich brands got rich, right?

If they want to get into the business of services instead of selling consoles, then why limit themselves to their own (relatively small) ecosystem, instead of expanding into the 100+ million PS and 50+ million nintendo users? The way Netflix got as big as it is, is because they made deals with TV manufacturers to include their app everywhere. TVs, Blu-ray's, Phones, Toaster, etc.

I had said it before, Microsoft would have a much healthier and successful business as a third party publisher. They would have better chances to make great games that sell better on the Playstation and Nintendo consoles. They'd have Gamepass everywhere! They could even make deals to let Nintendo games on Gamepass (if possible).

There's much more Microsoft could do as a publisher than as a console maker.

Xbox still is a strong platform contrary to what people think here. Is it as strong as Nintendo or Sony? Nope.

But if you become third party your platform becomes far harder to sell. Game Pass would have to nearly triple in price to be on platforms they don't control.

 

[loktaiextatus]

Matrick.

But the meme is about Trump....

 

[Hobbygaming]

They say this but if the Xbox Series X did miraculous numbers like 15 million units sold in 1 month, we'd surely hear MS brag about consoles sold

 

[tillbot8]

It probably should be?

 

[THE DUCK]

Thats 2 people who said that I may be wrong about the profit levels. The one now answered by showing just sony profit levels which proves nothing without having the xbox numbers to compare.

The second person just stated I was wrong with no evidence.

I'll admit I coukd be wrong. I looked and had a hard time finding the actual xbox numbers as they keeped getting lumped into the ms totals. Near as i can tell, both companies made about 2 billion in profit in 2019 on thier gaming divisions.....

 

[loktaiextatus]

They only need 1% of China

Wouldnt that be only 13 million? Even if they had 1 percent of china today I think that would put them in third.

 

[Warnen]

Look around which one of these things is reality?


People everywhere with controllers hooked to their TVs or people who don't have controllers hooked to their TVs?

if you think the truth is nonsense you live in a fantasy world.

I really don’t know if you are serious or just trolling...

No one has a controller hooked to there tv for no fucking reason.

If there was an app like Stadia or Xcloud or PSnow that actually worked that would be THE REASON to do it.

I wouldn’t have a Bose sound system remote hooked up to my tv UNLESS I had the sound bar.

The price of a controller and a sub to a service is far lower then a console and a library of games. That would be appealing to casuals and new users.

 

[Abear21]

So many people I know love Xbox, I feel like the will sell a shit ton is Series S whether they try or not.

I’m thinking Xbox shortages this fall by this statement. Even without Halo games like Cyberpunk should run best on Xbox so...that’s worth a purchase for many, just let those balls hang loose like always Phil, he sounds depressed talking like that!

 

[Knitted Knight]

But the meme is about Trump....

Everything is made about Trump these days.

 

[Warnen]

Spotify, HBO, Disney, Hulu and Netflix disagree.

? Spotify, hbo, Disney, Hulu and Netflix sell imusic subs?

 

[Drunkensamurai]

Why not put their games everywhere then?

 

[loktaiextatus]

Xbox still is a strong platform contrary to what people think here. Is it as strong as Nintendo or Sony? Nope.

Well... you say that but by what measure? Do you measure it comparatively ? On its face what we have is...

PC/Steam/EGS, Playstation, Nintendo, mobile.... all what you might call strong platforms.

Is XBOX as strong as PC? No. Nintendo? No, Playstation, no.... Mobile? Oh god no.

Im not saying its not a VALID platform, or a sustainable platform. Nobody is saying that but I mean
its a strong platform compared to what? Maybe stronger than the Linux Gaming community or
something like that but its basically in 5th place out of the 5 big ones I can think of.

 

[bender]

I'm not here to win, I'm just here to compete.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

How is taking a different strategy arrogant? They have tried for three generations to be like the other players and have had a lot of success but just as many failures.

Them charging their strategy is out of need to change. Nothing with arrogance

They don't need to change.

The formula they had worked. It worked well with the OG Xbox and with the 360. Then they got arrogant and launched Kinect, instead of sticking with their formula. They've pig-headidly tried changing their formula, the customers and the industry to try and suit them, that's arrogant.


Kinect
Drm
Always online
No used games
Gamepass (I love it, but it's still forcing a change)
No generations.

It doesn't work.

At this rate, Microsoft will be still trying to chase subscribers while they miss the next boat; VR.

If, they want to make gamepass the next 'Wii' in terms of offering a new concept to attract a wider audience, they should be focusing on bringing the B tier companies to Gamepass. Forget indies or AA or AAA.

Its like a sports team, take the youth that is the B tier and build relationships with them until they reach A tier. Then mooch off of them.

 

[kruis]

They only need 1% of China

 

[Warnen]

Why not put their games everywhere then?

because game pass dosen’t just have 1st party stuff in it.

why would Sony let game pass be on PS5 when they sell the same games that are in the game pass.

 

[quest]

The thing is that it is a very weird strategy. If you have a business of, say, selling mattresses, you'd want to sell as much as you want. After all, that's how rich brands got rich, right?

If they want to get into the business of services instead of selling consoles, then why limit themselves to their own (relatively small) ecosystem, instead of expanding into the 100+ million PS and 50+ million nintendo users? The way Netflix got as big as it is, is because they made deals with TV manufacturers to include their app everywhere. TVs, Blu-ray's, Phones, Toaster, etc. They also need to put Gamepass everywhere, too.

I had said it before, Microsoft would have a much healthier and successful business as a third party publisher. They would have better chances to make great games that sell better on the Playstation and Nintendo consoles. They could make exclusive deals with Sony and/or Nintendo.

There's much more Microsoft could do as a publisher than as a console maker.

Because Microsoft is a business not a charity ffs. How many times does it need to be explained after Sony or Nintendos cut there is not enough money left over to pay 15 studios, pay 3rd parties and make enough profit to justify existing.


It is ground hog day. The weekly Microsoft does not want to sell consoles FUD. This is why I laugh at the crying about the so called xbox cabal. These threads pop up more often with more responses. It is pretty simple Microsoft did not spend 100s of millions of dollars not to sell devices. With out consoles gamepass is doa those 10 PC and 2 cloud users won't sustain it. Carry away at the warring.

 

[kruis]

? Spotify, hbo, Disney, Hulu and Netflix sell imusic subs?

Streaming services are device independent. Spotify, hbo, Disney, Hulu and Netflix aren't selling their own hw to entice the public to subcribe.

 

[H-I-M]

Thats 2 people who said that I may be wrong about the profit levels. The one now answered by showing just sony profit levels which proves nothing without having the xbox numbers to compare.

The second person just stated I was wrong with no evidence.

I'll admit I coukd be wrong. I looked and had a hard time finding the actual xbox numbers as they keeped getting lumped into the ms totals. Near as i can tell, both companies made about 2 billion in profit in 2019 on thier gaming divisions.....

• Top 3 biggest Q1 Revenue ever
  1. Sony Q1 FY20
  2. Sony Q1 FY18
  3. Sony Q1 FY19
• To show how big Revenue are, Q1 FY20 Revenue are higher than any quarter of Xbox (even Oct-Dec quarters)

Just admit you were wrong :/

 

[jimbojim]

The absolute wrong strategy to sell consoles.

I guess he probably wouldn’t be saying the same if XBone has outsold PS4 by 70 million consoles.

Media will probably see his statement as a negative news about Xbox. You know what will happen next? Someone will try to spread fake negative news about PS5 just to make things even. Something like: PS5 console will fail if Sony doesn't follow MS approach

 

[kretos]

True hardcore Xbox gamers understand...

 

[onQ123]

Consoles will disappear, like CD and dvd/blu-Ray players, and it will happen before Sony fans and gaming dinosaurs realise what’s happening to them...

They said Consoles was dead when the Wii U failed but PS4 came & sold over 100 million

I really don’t know if you are serious or just trolling...

No one has a controller hooked to there tv for no fucking reason.

If there was an app like Stadia or Xcloud or PSnow that actually worked that would be THE REASON to do it.

I wouldn’t have a Bose sound system remote hooked up to my tv UNLESS I had the sound bar.

The price of a controller and a sub to a service is far lower then a console and a library of games. That would be appealing to casuals and new users.

SMH good grief!


The point is that it would work with phones /tablets & PC because it work with what they already have but when it come to TV it's a really small market because people would have to go out & get a controller.

 

[dezzy8]

“Hey guys, we have the most powerful console on the market! We don’t care if you buy it tho. Just subscribe to our services. “

 

[Warnen]

Streaming services are device independent. Spotify, hbo, Disney, Hulu and Netflix aren't selling their own hw to entice the public to subcribe.

So you think nintendo or Sony will allow game pass on there platforms when game pass includes the same games they sell?

That’s why I listed Imusic, they don’t offer there service on other platforms.

 

[Fuz]

Not selling your product sounds like a real winning strategy.

 

[Mokus]

This guy gone mad. The R&D and marketing for a new console is very expensive. They need to sell as much they can to recoup the money. Gamepass won't cover these expenses.

 

[PresetError]

Ah, I see Phil Spencer is a man of culture. He is telling a classic story.

 

[John254]

Why even bother with a console if you just want to sell subscriptions?

Because for example I don't want to deal with PC bullshit, but still want to use Game Pass. So console is only answer for me

 

[Krisprolls]

“Hey guys, we have the most powerful console on the market! We don’t care if you buy it tho. Just subscribe to our services. “

I must say I'm not sure I understand the strategy.

Actually, I'm not sure MS themselves understand their strategy.