TheGreatWhiteShark
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Your "on topic" is off topic
who gives a shit if sony drops ps4 to 99? and what relation does it have in this thread?
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Xbox Series S - Revealed Trailer
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who gives a shit if sony drops ps4 to 99? and what relation does it have in this thread?
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
There are a LOT more console gamers with a 4K HDTV than PC gamers with a 4K monitor. Apples and oranges.
Slings and Arrows
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I was going to talk potential sales, market position (Cheap XOX, Switch, PS4PRO vs XSS from a casual perspective, what it does to the One S pricing etc) etc, but yeah, the title is reveal trailer.
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TheGreatWhiteShark
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only ~2% AT BEST own a GPU capable of playing games at 4k, to be precise, so lack of monitor is not a thing
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DeltaPolarBear
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Nobody knows how Halo Infinite runs on ANY Xbox machine, because none of us have seen it run on an Xbox machine. But we know for sure that the game looks like it could run fine on an Xbox One. And that is what we mean by "held back". There was never any debunking; just repeated copy-paste about how PC gaming does it all the time. Except as a PC gamer I know very well how badly games run on weak PC hardware. Basically it was all lies.
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Papacheeks
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It costs way too much to make those chips on a older node. There's a reason XBox discontinued the Xbox One X so quickly. It's expensive to make compared to the Xbox Series S. Which might be costing them a little now, But their BOW over time with 7nm+ process from TSMC will go down even further as time goes on.
I can see $199 being the new price for the slim, and them discontinuing the Pro, unless the pro becomes the new slim for $249.99? Not sure if the Pro costs more or less to make than the Slim.
But anything on that older node for those old ass chips at this point costs more to keep producing. I believe one of the CEO's a year or so ago said they can see PS4 being phased out by late 2021.
And if PS5 is competitive in price like 399 for digitial, then in a year or so time, you might see $349 digital PS5 if the launch price is $399.
They could keep the price $149-199 for the slim to clear stock to help bolster the first year of PS5 sales.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
Who gives a shit? Stay on topic
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
It's almost as big as the PS5's.
Rikkori
Member
A reminder that 90% of Steam gamers in the surveys are e-sports/light MP titles only, so it's an irrelevant point. Why people keep bringing it up, not thinking that the guy playing DotA 2/CS:GO/PoE 24/7 isn't rushing to upgrade his PC to the latest and greatest because it makes no difference, is beyond me.
The overall steam population is NOT representative of the AAA-gamer crowd.
martino
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if we go with tales from our asses imo they are more console gamer on pc screen than ones on 4k tv
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Slings and Arrows
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Interesting.
This is going to force both Microsoft and Sony to drop the price of their current-gen consoles to rock-bottom prices just to clear the backlog in the supply chain, which in turn takes customers away from higher-end next gen consoles.
Which makes me wonder why Microsoft spent money on an XSX and XSS. Like, shouldn't the XSS launched last year or the XSX next year?
TheGreatWhiteShark
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yeah, right! like there are many 2080series owners that are not on steam.
in fact, people with powerful h/w are more likely to participate on h/w surveys (since they care) than people running on 10 year old GPUs
so that 2% could even be inflated regarding reality
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512 Gb is pathetic but 825 Gb is good?
It wouldn't surprise me if the average console user does not fill up their storage - on the next generation or current generation.
People in here is not really average users but there is both the option of expanding the internal fast storage or use an external big (2-4TB) drive for those users.
Why put a expensive NVME-drive in the cheapest console if the majority does not use it - just to please the 20% that might play 3-4 full games regularly?
Simpkin92
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Microsoft is throwing out a fishing net.
Need a next gen on a budget or just want to check out Xbox at a low price? Xbox S is for you to play their game pass.
Want a super powerful 4K gaming machine? Xbox X is here for you to play their gamepass.
Have a PC already and don’t give a rats ass about console? PC game pass is here for your gamepass needs.
This isn’t about consoles and capabilities it’s about offering an option to as many people as possible to buy gamepass
Need a next gen on a budget or just want to check out Xbox at a low price? Xbox S is for you to play their game pass.
Want a super powerful 4K gaming machine? Xbox X is here for you to play their gamepass.
Have a PC already and don’t give a rats ass about console? PC game pass is here for your gamepass needs.
This isn’t about consoles and capabilities it’s about offering an option to as many people as possible to buy gamepass
DeltaPolarBear
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Nah, anyone who don't own a PS4 yet, are not in the market for next gen. Sony is going to make a Superslim for PS4 for $199, that much is certain. This had been their business plan since the PS2 launch. The "value" customer" is not the same as "power" customers. Sony caters to both by selling previous gen at bargain basement prices, and getting them hooked until they are ready to upgrade.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
That's what Phil has been preaching for awhile now. Still people will console war, while MS quietly multiplies their user-base.
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BluRayHiDef
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Considering that this machine's 4 teraflops of rasterization performance in terms of RDNA2 architecture are equal to 6 teraflops of rasterization performance in terms of GCN architecture, this machine's graphical prowess (in terms of rasterization) is equal to that of the Xbox One X.
Hence, because the Xbox One X can render games with current-generation graphical fidelity at 4K, this machine should be able to do so as well (not taking ray tracing into account, since the One X cannot perform ray tracing and because ray tracing can be rendered at a separate resolution from rasterized elements).
However, this machine will be rendering games with next-generation graphical fidelity, which will undoubtedly be more demanding and will therefore limit the resolution at which it can do so to one below 4K. Hence, the question arises as to which resolution that will be: 1080p or 1440p?
The answer is that to the following question: will the graphical fidelity of next generation games at 1440p be too demanding for the Xbox Series S to maintain 30 frames per second? How about 60 frames per second?
I personally think that this console will be able to hit 1440p for games that run at 30 frames per second and 1080p for games that run at 60 frames per second.
Most of the people that have a PC does not have a very powerful PC.
I have a 3700X/5700XT and for someone like me it would be great for both console and pc gaming. Play Age of Empires on PC and the big actions games on the xbox (on the 65 inch TV with hooked up surround-sound).
DeltaPolarBear
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Where do you think these people will come from? Especially those who would soon see a $199 PS4 Superslim and REALLY dirt cheap 2nd hand games.
NullZ3r0
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You do know that Halo Infinite is supposed to run on Xbox One as well, right?
Series S uses the same architecture as Series X. So the only thing that needs to scale is GPU. Guess what? Developers have been doing this on PC for years.
Rikkori
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You don't get it, it's about the relative proportion. Let's say 1% of steam users have a 2080, that doesn't mean the relevant market for higher-end GPUs is 100% of the Steam market. The AAA market is a smaller SUB-SET of the wider steam market. Just like how steam market is a small sub-set of the wider PC market. Which is yet a smaller sub-set of wider computer market (PC+Laptop+mac+etc). Just like it doesn't make sense to think about how many people don't have a 2080 that only use their PC to edit photos, likewise it makes no sense to think about how many DotA2 gamers don't have a 2080 - they're not the relevant demographic!
And h/w surveys are done at random, you can't decide to take it. Hence so many 768p laptops and various old cards thanks to Chinese internet cafes.
Your PC is already basically a Series S equivalent almost. Ideally you'd want a new GPU for DX12_2 features and for 4K, but if you go 1440p 144hz then you'll want to think about at least a Ryzen 3600 also. You're gucci otherwise.
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Papacheeks
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Naw, MS is going to be doing crazy gamepass deals this fall, would not surprise me if Gamepass was included in both series S/X. They care more about the sub and less about the hardware.
DeltaPolarBear
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Yes, that is what it means to be "held back". If your game needed to run on a weaker machine, the stronger machine is being held back. That is exactly my point. And you don't need to bring in PC because i actually play PC. Your lies on PC gaming doesn't work on me. Not that you know you were lying, since i doubt you play on PC anyway and is just regurgitating Ms marketing points.
I mentioned it before, but I used to be neutral with console wars. But Microsoft is dirtying the good name of PC gaming recently with their lies, and that forced my hand.
Honey Bunny
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Does designing games to run on PCs with a wide range of specs hold games back?
Ignoring the millions of people who will buy a new console for Call of Duty, Fifa, etc - I don't think there's ever been a next gen console almost competing with last gen's cheap version before. And Gamepass adds another question mark to the competition as well.
It'll depend on the marketing, but let's be honest: a console that plays the latest games, and old games, and has a bunch of new stuff to play through Gamepass for £250, or a PS4 which has nothing with it and only plays old games for ~£199.
Thats a hell of a situation that it's going to be interesting to see play out.
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TheGreatWhiteShark
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Steam h/w survey shows great consistency month over month, so the "random" part really does not fit the narrative per results.
All things point to PC gamers being able to play at 4k are 2% or less.
You don't get it, it's about the relative proportion. Let's say 1% of steam users have a 2080, that doesn't mean the relevant market for higher-end GPUs is 100% of the Steam market. The AAA market is a smaller SUB-SET of the wider steam market. Just like how steam market is a small sub-set of the wider PC market. Which is yet a smaller sub-set of wider computer market (PC+Laptop+mac+etc). Just like it doesn't make sense to think about how many people don't have a 2080 that only use their PC to edit photos, likewise it makes no sense to think about how many DotA2 gamers don't have a 2080 - they're not the relevant demographic!
And h/w surveys are done at random, you can't decide to take it. Hence so many 768p laptops and various old cards thanks to Chinese internet cafes.
Your PC is already basically a Series S equivalent almost. Ideally you'd want a new GPU for DX12_2 features and for 4K, but if you go 1440p 144hz then you'll want to think about at least a Ryzen 3600 also. You're gucci otherwise.
by the time i get a 3070 which is up to 1440p then add on £100+ for new psu .. i think maybe just call it quits and go for the console im hooked up to my lg b9 so can do 120hz max at the minuet i dont game to much these days just waiting for that game to catch my eye.
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Schmick
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No different to the PS5 or XBX
Slings and Arrows
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No doubt each console comes with 3 months of free gamepass (which then goes in to auto-payment mode ala XBLG back in the 360 days).
Slings and Arrows
Banned
Xbox 360 was £270~ in the UK at launch and at the time it rivalled high end PC's. The OG Xbox was £400 at launch and 4 years later when the 360 came out, it was £199 (iirc). Microsoft made it a no-brainer to upgrade and we saw how well that went for them (until they fucked it in 2010)
DeltaPolarBear
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Call of Duty and Fifa are going to run on a PS4 for now. Why would you buy a new machine if the latest of these games you can still play on the console you own?
Don't forget, if you already own an Xbox One then you could play the "latest games" on it too. The reason to upgrade doesn't exist. it is money spent for nothing.
MS made the mistake of not making new games for two more years. That is their own fault. And the result will be clear in a few months.
Rikkori
Member
What's your PSU? You don't need to get a 3070 necessarily bro, even a 3060 would be better than Series X, let alone S, and that's likely going to be <=200w & $299-$399.
sojuwarrior
Member
Can any technical peeps confirm that these are impressive specs and truly "next-gen"?
Big step up from current Xbox one X?
Big step up from current Xbox one X?
MisterBrimstone
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OP's avatar makes this all worth it.
Bad take, and it ignores my point. We're talking about Series S and value.
How does someone who doesn't currently own an Xbox lose out from buying the Series S over the One? We're not talking about people upgrading, we're taking about parents /new customers. Anyone upgrading this November will buy the Series X, in all likelihood.
I don't know why people buy the latest consoles for Cod and Fifa, but they do. It'll play better and faster on Series S than on the PS4 anyway, so it'll feel like a worthy upgrade for people who still only play those games.
only a 450 w psu i have my eye on a 750w corsair , just cant decide now whether to go pc route or xbox that price is to good even though its disk-less
i had this pc a few years before i knew any better about specs it was an impulse buy as i needed a pc. i havent had an issues playing some games at 1440p but its pushing it as the gpu only has 3gb ram :-(
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tryDEATH
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It is a 1080P next gen console.
The big step up from Xbox One X is the CPU and SSD and the new GPU architecture that is more advance that in the Xbox One X, when you combine everything it is a next generation console with the newest hardware that maximizes 1080P gaming, but isn't the premium experience you will get with the Series X.
sojuwarrior
Member
thanks, so if people are fine with 1080P gaming (which I am), these are true next-gen specs?
If thats the case, I might buy one along with a PS5
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
Marty Hess is head of product marketing for xbox. Nice tweet:
Then Jason Ronald, xbox development chief follows with this tweet:
Then Jason Ronald, xbox development chief follows with this tweet:
DeltaPolarBear
Member
Parents won't buy a console unless the game their kid want to play no longer run on their old machine. MS deliberately made the choice for them. Unless you want to play PS5 1st party exclusives, you have no reason to buy next gen at launch prices.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
They will come from everywhere, that's the point. Xbox is no longer just a console. It is many consoles, PC's, Phones, Tablets, etc. You will literally be able to play Game Pass games almost everywhere.
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Mochilador
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That's damn good!
tryDEATH
Member
Yes, those are next generation specs.
tryDEATH
Member
I love the design and the price. This will be a fantastic option for gamers who might prefer Sony but still want an Xbox console.
To those of you who came here just to shit on the announcement, we see the blind hatred for all things Xbox for what it is, you are a stain on the gaming community. The older I get the more people like you irrirate me.
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Do I have to post the graph showing resolution scaling on the PC yet again?