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Gotta hand it to the Kutaragi. That bastard had vision even though it almost sank the company.

I happen to think it raised the company to an unprecedented level. A CELL-powered neural network-based AI for entertainment was his overarching vision, but under that was the vision to stand up streaming services on PSN (his vision too). Take PS Now for example. Before PS3 became a tangible thing, Kutaragi said it would vanish and become nebulous:

"But Kutaragi isn't standing still. He's already at work on -- that's right -- PS3, a much stronger and, more significantly, stealthier PlayStation. "PS3 will totally disappear as a console, as a shape," he says." -- Ken Kutaragi

He also gave a timeframe for when that happening would occur:

02:51 -- He's talked a lot about networks, but he says he's not happy yet with the quality of network services that are on offer.
02:52 -- It will still take time to realise the dream of real-time video and so on - perhaps in ten years time, this will be real. Therefore, while the gaming hardware in PS3 may be called overkill, this hardware is necessary. -- Eurogamer

From the outset, PS3 was engineered with streaming in mind:

"However, what many people forget is that PlayStation 3 already streams gameplay over IP and, in some respects, cloud is a natural extension of that... How does it work? Sony has libraries that encode the framebuffer into video - it's a process that is hived off to SPU... A single SPU is capable of encoding 720p at 30FPS at 5mbps, so it's 'just' a matter of finding the CPU resources." -- Eurogamer

and Kutaragi gave the company a glimpse of its streaming future almost a decade in advance. So when the opportunities to acquire Gaikai and snatch up Onlive's portfolio of 140 patents presented themselves, they were no-brainers for SIE and the rest is history -- just as Kutaragi envisioned:

"Sony has developed brand new PS3 hardware to power its PlayStation Now streaming service, revealed earlier this month at CES in Las Vegas. Sources who have been briefed on the project suggest that the new PlayStation 3 consists of eight custom console units built into a single rack server. It's the new PlayStation hardware that everyone will have access to, but few will actually see." -- Eurogamer

His overarching vision also covers consoles (and their peripherals) and how they function in the network era too. Those who were/are involved in shepherding the company (from CEO down to consultant) know this and if you find that hard to believe, listen to Andrew House and Mark Cerny (timestamped):

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then consider the words of Kutaragi and John Kodera (successor to Andrew House who stepped down after a brief stint as PS CEO to pursue his passions on the network side for PS5):

“As a matter of course, I have the vision of Playstation 4, 5 and 6, which will merge into the network.” -- Ken Kutaragi

"In the future, broadband will connect all appliances - console, TV, phone, PC, everything. Then exclusivity means nothing." -- Ken Kutaragi

“We’re no longer in a time when you can think just about the console or just about the network like they’re two different things.”... Sony sells the hand-held PlayStation Vita, but Mr. Kodera said that when it comes to mobility, the company doesn’t want to limit itself to a single dedicated device. “We need a broader perspective than that because so many things are now connected via the internet,” -- John Kodera

Spoiler: tl;dr

- Kutaragi's overarching vision gave rise to every PS branded streaming service (past and present) which along with PSN (a foundational component of his vision) has elevated the company to unprecedented heights.
- PS5 will be much closer to Kutaragi's network/console vision than PS4/pro were. I suspect PS5 may be a microcosm of a PSN server for multiple devices (including other PS5s) at home and away, tethered to DualSense over private/public networks.

 

[Games Dean]

Really? Go back to his list please. He pretty much listed everything we’ve seen. Including the PS5 event.

Grub has been out the loop on PS for a WHILE. Said so himself in the replies of one of his Summer Games Mess posts after someone questioned no Sony for like the third time. Guess all that FUD spreading about the ps5 got the doors shut on him.

 

[Codexer]

 

[jose4gg]

Best explanation out there.

 

[Avantasia]

Honestly, 12 sec is still fast! Loading time wont be a problem anymore. Ps5 is a beast here but 12 sec is Great too!

 

[Audiophile]

Status of thread....

Blue balls were literally a part of their reveal:





Hundreds of them...

Thousands of them...

And the console is built and lit by them:

 

[sircaw]

is this a nobody is this a somebody>?

 

[MasterCornholio]

Honestly, 12 sec is still fast! Loading time wont be a problem anymore. Ps5 is a beast here but 12 sec is Great too!

Honestly I think Sony is going to show off the I/O with their UI. I'm willing to bet that they will make claims on how everything is so fast on the system due to the I/O.

 

[Neo Blaster]

I'm not buying into "Sony were blindsided by the Series X/S prices". It sounds like nonsense.

Heck we had fellow gaffers predict the price very accurately and we had leaks. But Sony didn't know? LOL

I think they had a good idea of what Microsoft's pricing was going to be. Curious to see wether Sony plan on undercutting them or wether they'll price match. I think the former is more likely.

My bet is they will place disc version at the same price level as XSX, and lower as much as they can on discless to try to counter XSS.

 

[azertydu91]

is this a nobody is this a somebody>?

Since you like that

 

[SSfox]

Since you like that

It's funny, i just listened to 6 MJ songs straight, then i come here and see this LOL

 

[sircaw]

Honestly, 12 sec is still fast! Loading time wont be a problem anymore. Ps5 is a beast here but 12 sec is Great too!

I am kinda the opposite of that tbh, i just expected better, a lot better, i had the idea we were talking less than 5 or 6 seconds due to those quick resume videos. that's probably my fault for getting my expectations that high.

As for twelve seconds, hmm i don't know if it's great, i think about pressing those lights when you want to cross the road, imagine waiting twelve seconds every day to cross, then at another set of lights, you get to do it almost instantaneously every day. I am probably going to get frustrated sooner or later

Probaly not the best analogy but i just woke up and its the best i can do..

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

Was that because of what he said about Smartshift?

Probably because he was part of the whole XBL Gold fiasco and he showed his true colors there.

 

[saintjules]

As I thought it would be. Maybe something similar to how XSS was announced

 

[BGs]

BTW, can this be seen somewhere? or buy?

From Bedrooms To Billions: The Playstation Revolution Documentary on Cerny, Hideo, etc coming September

A PlayStation documentary featuring interviews with Hideo Kojima, Mark Cerny, Shinji Mikami and more has been announced and will debut on September 7. Looks like Sony is keeping Playstation on ppls minds all through the months until launch. I look forward to this documentary. Do you...

neogaf.com

 

[azertydu91]

It's funny, i just listened to 6 MJ songs straight, then i come here and see this LOL

Maybe I already knew that.....Maybe I'm closer to you than you realize or would like to ....
Ever wonder what were those noises in the night ?
Why some of your clothes disapear sometimes and reappear in weird places? ...You blamed the cat ....Silly you.
I can see you ... I can smell you... Run while you are alive.

 

[Lysandros]

Barring Resolution, Render Quality, SSD read Speeds, total system bandwidth, storage space, wi-fi speed, Quality of Games Available, Audio, Controller Features... the XsS will run games faster because of the 100 MHZ deficit.

Nice Logic.

Turn off SMT and logic for a nice 100mhz profit.

 

[Thirty7ven]

I'm not buying into "Sony were blindsided by the Series X/S prices". It sounds like nonsense.

Heck we had fellow gaffers predict the price very accurately and we had leaks. But Sony didn't know? LOL

I think they had a good idea of what Microsoft's pricing was going to be. Curious to see wether Sony plan on undercutting them or wether they'll price match. I think the former is more likely.

These are the same folks that said Sony would be forced to blink first. They don’t understand shit. Same dumb people who have been unleashing dumb take after dumb take for the last 12 months.

Honestly, 12 sec is still fast! Loading time wont be a problem anymore. Ps5 is a beast here but 12 sec is Great too!

True. But it’s a bit like focusing on total GB/s. They are not the point, the point is latency and how fast you can move data in milliseconds so that it can effectively boost RAM usage in real time.

 

[kyliethicc]

As I thought it would be. Maybe something similar to how XSS was announced

It'll definitely just be blog posts.

 

[Randy Randerson]

BTW, can this be seen somewhere? or buy?

From Bedrooms To Billions: The Playstation Revolution Documentary on Cerny, Hideo, etc coming September

A PlayStation documentary featuring interviews with Hideo Kojima, Mark Cerny, Shinji Mikami and more has been announced and will debut on September 7. Looks like Sony is keeping Playstation on ppls minds all through the months until launch. I look forward to this documentary. Do you...

neogaf.com

You can find it here

It's $24.99 USD for the standard edition

 

[HAL-01]

I am kinda the opposite of that tbh, i just expected better, a lot better, i had the idea we were talking less than 5 or 6 seconds due to those quick resume videos. that's probably my fault for getting my expectations that high.

As for twelve seconds, hmm i don't know if it's great, i think about pressing those lights when you want to cross the road, imagine waiting twelve seconds every day to cross, then at another set of lights, you get to do it almost instantaneously every day. I am probably going to get frustrated sooner or later

Probaly not the best analogy but i just woke up and its the best i can do..

To be fair this is a current gen game built for HDD, next gen games will load much faster by loading only a small portion then streaming the rest in the background

 

[BatSu]

Blue balls were literally a part of their reveal:





Hundreds of them...

Thousands of them...

And the console is built and lit by them:

 

[Entroyp]

Turn off SMT and logic for a nice 100mhz profit.

Oh shit.. IGN was right all along!

 

[Knitted Knight]

It's in the wild already?

 

[BlueXImpulse]

It'll definitely just be blog posts.

I prefer this. There is more potential for them to drop it out of nowhere then. No big build up needed.

 

[Lunatic_Gamer]

 

[onQ123]

It's funny, i just listened to 6 MJ songs straight, then i come here and see this LOL

Maybe I already knew that.....Maybe I'm closer to you than you realize or would like to ....
Ever wonder what were those noises in the night ?
Why some of your clothes disapear sometimes and reappear in weird places? ...You blamed the cat ....Silly you.
I can see you ... I can smell you... Run while you are alive.

 

[azertydu91]

 

[Dodkrake]

DF has become the marketing beacon for Microsoft. Dear god.

 

[Dibils2k]

DF has become the marketing beacon for Microsoft. Dear god.

a game tech focused channel posts a video about a new game tech, the shills!

 

[Dodkrake]

a game tech focused channel posts a video about a new game tech, the shills!

A game tech focused channel that points out texture pop in on the far end of a map at 500x zoom but dismisses clearly visible subpar textures on a 4k video. Yeah, try again later.

 

[Audiophile]

The XSS reminds me of an early freeview box and the XSX -- while distinctive in press shots -- is really let down by that easily mottled, dull black finish.

I appreciate reserved design in certain areas, but I just find them utterly dull and uninspiring. They look like they were "designed" entirely by the engineers.

While a lot of people seem to like consoles to assimilate into a setup these days; I'm so glad Sony went for something with pizzazz, even if I do have some issues with elements of the design (particularly it's melted look in the horizontal position).

 

[Shambala]

It makes sense that it was a planned leak with Xbox. They thought Sony would have announcements on the anniversary and tried to steal their thunder. Look how fast the got those “unboxing” videos out. Now apple will steal their thunder next week and after that the Ps5 will have all eyes on them. They blew their load to early imho

 

[Faithless83]

DF has become the marketing beacon for Microsoft. Dear god.

At least there is no Dictator this time around.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Makes sense since March is when the price was talked about.

 

[cragarmi]

It makes sense that it was a planned leak with Xbox. They thought Sony would have announcements on the anniversary and tried to steal their thunder. Look how fast the got those “unboxing” videos out. Now apple will steal their thunder next week and after that the Ps5 will have all eyes on them. They blew their load to early imho

Yep its all over before TGS, thanks for playing!

 

[kyliethicc]

So DF have known about the S since March.
They agree the lower memory and SSD size are real concerns.
They also agree the S/X names are confusing.

XSS v XOS ports

Interesting that the expansion card needs its own vents on the back.
Clearly the SSDs put off a fair amount of heat.

 

[Dodkrake]

So DF have known about the S since March.
They agree the lower memory and SSD size are real concerns.
They also agree the S/X names are confusing.

XSS v XOS ports

Interesting that the expansion card needs its own vents on the back.
Clearly the SSDs put off a fair amount of heat.

Wait, did they really cut most ports? Damn.

 

[RaySoft]

Has this been posted?

PS5 Price and Pre-Order Availability Rumored to be Announced Tomorrow

PS5 price and pre-order rumors are swirling once again, with a new lead coming about from a retail storefront in the UK.

www.dualshockers.com

 

[kyliethicc]

Wait, did they really cut most ports? Damn.

They cut optical, HDMI In, and IR. Not needed. Added the expansion slot

 

[Audiophile]

[Post deleted, already mentioned.]

 

[Metroiddarks]

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

Makes sense since March is when the price was talked about.

I don't know. I feel uneasy with these videos because they don't have the 'sponsored' tag when its intention was clear, they traded inside info for views. It's pure marketing for MS.

 

[sircaw]

"You can see its really a beautiful little machine".
I am sorry here but are there actually people that think that looks good, get the fuck out digital Foundry, It's a white box with a speaker in it. Microsoft are normally pretty good with their looks, this looks like crap, come off it.

What you up to there.

 

[MasterCornholio]

So expect more downgrades than just resolution. It's what I'm expecting to be honest.

 

[DonkeyKong]

PS5 design is definitively good... so beautiful.
The only part that breaks the design is the BD bay... so the DE version looks better.

Honestly, 12 sec is still fast! Loading time wont be a problem anymore. Ps5 is a beast here but 12 sec is Great too!

Wasnt the 12 seconds confirmed to just in BC mode with no optimisations of the next gen features?

 

[MasterCornholio]

Wasnt the 12 seconds confirmed to just in BC mode with no optimisations of the next gen features?

Whatever it is Microsoft is doing a poor job with showing the I/O. Most people are still waiting for a Ratchet moment from them.

 

[Sinthor]

Has this been posted?

PS5 Price and Pre-Order Availability Rumored to be Announced Tomorrow

PS5 price and pre-order rumors are swirling once again, with a new lead coming about from a retail storefront in the UK.

www.dualshockers.com

Yeah. Thing is, it was from the 8th, saying that things would be announced the next day, meaning yesterday.

No info for us yet! Hopefully soon though....

 

[Entroyp]

So expect more downgrades than just resolution. It's what I'm expecting to be honest.

It will still be faster than PS5 though.. or so IGN said.

 

[onQ123]

PS4 or PS4 Pro mini would probably make things awkward right now