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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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jimbojim

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SlimySnake said:
So i see the era thread about actual devs raising issues about the xss specs was locked in two hours. Over a dozen devs, but nope, things got heated so entire thread closed. Now only the threads praising the xbox series s are allowed.

Thank god for gaf. I cannot believe you are not allowed to discuss negative aspects of a console on video game forums nowadays. Note to mods: keep up the good work and please dont let this place turn into another era where we cannot discuss things that might upset a fanbase of a console.
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Shmunter said:
Microsoft is a protected class now?
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Well, OP in that thread is banned for few weeks. LOL
 
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Explosive Zombie said:
Not sure I'm that interested. You're using people who own a PC for the various other reasons to own a PC and happen to play free to play games like Team Fortress 2 or something as proof most PC gamers aren't enthusiasts. It's patently dumb. Even if what you're saying is true, what does it matter for what I'm saying? The big budget AAA games are too much for these people to handle NOW usually, that's WHY they stick to games like Fortnite or Overwatch, why would there be some big problem with leaving them behind next gen? There won't be. They were always behind. Two million people buying Doom Eternal is such a small portion of the PC gaming community you cite, in fact small enough I'd wager YES, the majority of them DID have good gaming rigs. I mean, yeah, there are always people on PC who buy a game and then whine it won't run on their toaster, check Steam reviews constantly for that shit, it's fun. The biggest audience for big AAA games will always be on CONSOLE not PC so this idea of leaving people behind is crap.
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Yeah that's not what I'm saying at all. So somewhere we started to talk besides each other.

I'm saying there are a lot of PC's much weaker than the XSS. That developer will also support them, so why complaining about the XSS when you will support even worse systems.
 
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X-Fighter said:
Yeah that's not what I'm saying at all. So somewhere we started to talk besides each other.

I'm saying there are a lot of PC's much weaker than the XSS. That developer will also support them, so why complaining about the XSS when you will support even worse systems.
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I doubt they're going to bother optimizing for those PCs next gen. The only reason this narrative exists that games are built for toaster PCs is because of the consoles being toasters for 7 years and most games also release on those. Most devs use the current consoles as a baseline for development, not some min spec PC from a decade ago.
 
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Codexer said:
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bhunachicken

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xacto said:
"Can't see the difference between 4K and 1080p"
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Half true. It all depends on how far away you are from the display. Fine details diminish with distance.

When 4K TVs first came out there were waves of disappoint from consumers who said the TV looked great in the store but not at home on their wall. They thought they'd been given a 1080p display by mistake. Turns out, in the store they were standing 2-3 feet away, whereas at home they're sitting 8-10 feet away, which is enough to diminish what your eyes can pick out.

(* - seriously, I don't know why people keep denying this is a fact. Think about it: if you put a 1080p TV and 4K TV next to one another, playing the same content, and then begin walking backwards, at some point you're not going to notice the difference)
 
NoviDon

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Explosive Zombie said:
I doubt they're going to bother optimizing for those PCs next gen. The only reason this narrative exists that games are built for toaster PCs is because of the consoles being toasters for 7 years and most games also release on those. Most devs use the current consoles as a baseline for development, not some min spec PC from a decade ago.
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Yeah, but what's the point in complaining about it? It's like complaining about the train waking you up in the morning its inevitable. Consoles arent going anywhere and will continue to be the baseline for modern graphics technology. Even if, or when physical media is gone, people will be gaming on streaming devices and the servers will be the new baseline. They could update quicker than console, but there will always be a noticeable lag between consumer grade products and enthusiast.
 
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Explosive Zombie said:
I doubt they're going to bother optimizing for those PCs next gen. The only reason this narrative exists that games are built for toaster PCs is because of the consoles being toasters for 7 years and most games also release on those. Most devs use the current consoles as a baseline for development, not some min spec PC from a decade ago.
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Let's see what the minimum requirements will be for their next game then. Pretty sure it will be lower than the XSS specs. If this is not the case, I was wrong, no issue with that. But if they'll actually release a game on PC with lower specs than the XSS they were just lying.
 
Setsuna Mudou

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X-Fighter said:
So you truly think they would make games for PS5 as the minimum requirements PC spec? So leave behind all those players on PC? Yeah, seems realistic...
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That's actually a thing on PC, so yeah. Especially AAA games will have minimum recommended specs for you to be able to play it, and sometimes that's the push people need to upgrade their hardware.
That's where the...

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SNPlayen

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LiquidRex said:
MGS

If the PS5 costs less than the Xbox Series X I'd be very surprised... The architecture in the PS5 is the most advanced of both consoles... It has RDNA 3 feature sets... It will be revealed soon... PS5 will show once and for all how Tflop numbers don't matter as much as once believed 🤔
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What about MGS?
 
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X-Fighter said:
Let's see what the minimum requirements will be for their next game then. Pretty sure it will be lower than the XSS specs. If this is not the case, I was wrong, no issue with that. But if they'll actually release a game on PC with lower specs than the XSS they were just lying.
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With this prior generation you literally couldn't make a PC exactly equal to a PS4 or XB1 because of stuff like their CPU, not sure if that will be the same for this coming generation. I'm assuming it will be easier to figure out what a PC at the same level as an XSS is, though sometimes the minimum specs a developer sites aren't specs you WANT to play a game at, there isn't like some board of PC elites who decides what the minimum specs for any game should be, to my knowledge it's up to the individuals making a game.
 
Mr Moose

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X-Fighter said:
Let's see what the minimum requirements will be for their next game then. Pretty sure it will be lower than the XSS specs. If this is not the case, I was wrong, no issue with that. But if they'll actually release a game on PC with lower specs than the XSS they were just lying.
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  • Minimum:
    • Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system
    • OS: 64-bit Windows 7 / 64-Bit Windows 10
    • Processor: Intel Core i5 @ 3.3 GHz or better, or AMD Ryzen 3 @ 3.1 GHz or better
    • Memory: 8 GB RAM
    • Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti (4GB), GTX 1060 (3GB), GTX 1650 (4GB) or AMD Radeon R9 280(3GB), AMD Radeon R9 290 (4GB), RX 470 (4GB)
    • Network: Broadband Internet connection
    • Storage: 50 GB available space
    • Additional Notes: ( 1080p / 60 FPS / Low Quality Settings )

Doom Eternal, 1080p/60fps low quality settings (apparently min specs), RAM might be a huge issue with the Series S. It has a nice CPU and SSD but that's about it.
 
Dodkrake

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quest said:
Or it is a game running In BC mode that has no work done. The series x has a hybrid IO with no work done the software side don't work so it is just a fast SSD. It is not hard to understand.

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And yet someone has already posted a video of a PC loading the same game faster on a PC. Work done or not, there's no excuse for 12 second load times for the quantum fast velocity architecture
 
danielJackson

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X-Fighter said:
Yeah that's not what I'm saying at all. So somewhere we started to talk besides each other.

I'm saying there are a lot of PC's much weaker than the XSS. That developer will also support them, so why complaining about the XSS when you will support even worse systems.
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If sony would announce 4tf machine and/or say that they dont make pure next gen games, because all games must run on potato-PC, I would not like it.

So why do some xbox gamers like the idea that they get worse experience than it would be possible by having only one powerful model and no slow potato-PC/s to think about?

So you are right, gamers should complain about XSeS AND PC
 
FunkMiller

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Vae_Victis said:
It's worse than that. If the fears about XSS drastically holding back third party games are proven correct over the next couple of years (when cross-gen dies), Microsoft just gifted Sony a valid and perfectly justifiable reason for buying third-party games exclusivity.

Usually so-called "moneyhatting" is considered a bit of an asshole move, because you are basically paying a developer to make a game not available to somebody else. But with this, Sony can just say " We struck a deal to ensure that X game will be able to take full advantage of the PS5 without being held back." And they would be right, and it would paint them more as paying to ensure PS5 users get a better game in the end instead.
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This is probably the reason why Sony have been so quiet. They must have known about Series S all along.
 
BlueXImpulse

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danielJackson said:
If sony would announce 4tf machine and/or say that they dont make pure next gen games, because all games must run on potato-PC, I would not like it.

So why do some xbox gamers like the idea that they get worse experience than it would be possible by having only one powerful model and no slow potato-PC/s to think about?

So you are right, gamers should complain about XSeS AND PC
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They don't really like it. They just pretend to like it because if they admitted they didn't, they would have to admit this early into a generation that things aren't looking positive. That's my honest thoughts on the matter.

They would rather drop current gen and Series S and have a slew of great 1st party titles coming to the platform in 2020 to 2021. Like Sony is doing now.
 
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Mr Moose said:
  • Minimum:
    • Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system
    • OS: 64-bit Windows 7 / 64-Bit Windows 10
    • Processor: Intel Core i5 @ 3.3 GHz or better, or AMD Ryzen 3 @ 3.1 GHz or better
    • Memory: 8 GB RAM
    • Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti (4GB), GTX 1060 (3GB), GTX 1650 (4GB) or AMD Radeon R9 280(3GB), AMD Radeon R9 290 (4GB), RX 470 (4GB)
    • Network: Broadband Internet connection
    • Storage: 50 GB available space
    • Additional Notes: ( 1080p / 60 FPS / Low Quality Settings )

Doom Eternal, 1080p/60fps low quality settings (apparently min specs), RAM might be a huge issue with the Series S. It has a nice CPU and SSD but that's about it.
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That 8GB is in your PC, not what is needed for the game itself. Windows also uses a lot of it.
 
TLZ

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WhispersintheWind said:
I believe we will hear PS5 price and dates for preorders before the end of 2020....maybe...

In all seriousness heard something and I can’t even classify it as a rumor more of some opinions from some devs. They seem to believe Sony going to announce something before September 22nd 2020. They believe Sony doesn’t have to rush to counter Xbox Announcements. But will do it to undermine some Xbox Hype and to show they are still the bigger brand with PS. So they believe by September 21st 2020 all will be revealed.

I believe if PS5 is as high in price as I have heard...I wouldn’t be surprised if not till around beginning week of October for Sony to announce.

So in other news Soony™️ /S
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Common sense says they have to reveal everything before Xbox Series S/X preorders start on the 22nd.
 
Md Ray

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TheGreatWhiteShark said:
what are you even talking about? he is a quality analyst at dice and not only for battlefield but for star wars too.
you think he doesn't know what he says? you think he is lying?

some of you guys have already exceeded any boundaries of ridiculousness, but still keep pushing it to unknown territories

its only a console, its only two consoles. get a grip of yourselves ffs
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QA is not the same as engine programmers.
 
Dodkrake

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Shambala said:
Is this 2013 all over again lmao. I swear grubb is a shill
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This is a personal opinion, of course, but I cannot see the difference between 1080p and 4k, at least in raw formats on a big screen. I worked with formats up to 8k when I was working in tv production and couldn't tell. Now, this is entirely dependant on who's looking at the picture, and I'll say I'm probably the exception and not the rule. I can tell the difference between 720p and 1080p easy.
 
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megreotsugua

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Dodkrake said:
This is a personal opinion, of course, but I cannot see the difference between 1080p and 4k, at least in raw formats on a big screen. I worked with formats up to 8k when I was working in tv production and couldn't tell. Now, this is entirely dependant on who's looking at the picture, and I'll say I'm probably the exception and not the rule. I can tell the difference between 720p and 1080p easy.
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1440p upscaled to 4K will be the sweet spot. That's what UE5 did.
 
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Dodkrake said:
This is a personal opinion, of course, but I cannot see the difference between 1080p and 4k, at least in raw formats on a big screen. I worked with formats up to 8k when I was working in tv production and couldn't tell. Now, this is entirely dependant on who's looking at the picture, and I'll say I'm probably the exception and not the rule. I can tell the difference between 720p and 1080p easy.
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Eventually it comes down to the PPI. Wouldn't you see this difference on a 75" tv?
 
BGs

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The criticism that is being made by other developers about XSS has a solid and logical basis. But you have to take into account what XSS really is.

XSS is a system designed for streaming service.

MS makes money from services more than anything else. And he is determined to direct his platforms to that point. But at the marketing level, it must attract the attention of the public with "power". It is logical. what MS really cares about for its future is that people forget about the physical format, that people play by streaming, that the game is subscribed to a fixed monthly fee and that all this allows it to sell less powerful hardware at a lower price obtaining the visual quality that their servers allow. Minimum investment, maximum benefit.

Logically with this there are benefits and drawbacks for everyone as always.
 
Delpij

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SlimySnake said:
they marketed the Xbox one as a 1080p console as well. And we know it was mostly a 900p console. At least this thing will run all cross gen games at 1440p.

Sony also marketed the pro as a 4k console while most of the games shipped at 1440p.

It's just business. You lie and hope That the media doesn't call you out on it.
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QA is not the same as engine programmers.
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Yup, QA folks are the one telling devs that their optimisation sucks.

So QA refused and get back to work until you meet the target performance for the scope of what must be shipped.
 
Dodkrake

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X-Fighter said:
Eventually it comes down to the PPI. Wouldn't you see this difference on a 75" tv?
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Never looked at it on a 75" TV. Our monitors were industry standard at anywhere between 12 and 40inch, more or less. We had a full HD TV, but that's not a fair comparison. On my personal TV, 4k vs 1080p looks pretty much the same, and it's a 4k LG TV (pretty much brand new) with 55"

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1440p upscaled to 4K will be the sweet spot. That's what UE5 did.
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And I'm not bothered with ths. In most games I don't care about 60fps and prefer better graphics, but if we can get 1080p or 1440p upscaled to 4k and 60fps, so be it. But I do want a 30fps option for some games :D
 
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