Support NeoGAF

[Shmunter]

The cocksuckers at MS should have taken the manufacturing hit and simply released a digital only XsX, like Sony. Next gen would have hummed along without a hitch. Instead they cheapened out, screwing over devs, gamers, next gen. It’s anti-gamer and anti everything we want from next gen.

From wanting success for MS to be formidable competitor for Sony, I just want them to fail now. Why? They are tearing down the landscape, creating issues, fucking things up for an entire generation.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Yep, that's some high quality FUD.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

The greatest irony here is how hard and loud MS went about having the strongest console, and then they just casually squeak out (by comparison) the XSS.

Effectively, I think this renders alot of their bullet points about XSX kind of meaningless. Games will be developed with the XSS in mind and no I don't think it will be as simple as knee capping resolution.

Even their harping of "constant" frequency or whatever regarding XSX clocks relative to the competition comes across as slightly schizophrenic now.

b b but you can just move a few sliders left and right like on PC.
Xbox won't have any issues with scaling games between Series S and Series X.
You just have to drop teh resolution.
Sony fanboys am cry.

Am i doing that right??

 

[Bernd Lauert]

b b but you can just move a few sliders left and right like on PC.
Xbox won't have any issues with scaling games between Series S and Series X.
You just have to drop teh resolution.
Sony fanboys am cry.

Am i doing that right??

This, but unironically.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

The cocksuckers at MS should have taken the manufacturing hit and simply released a digital only XsX, like Sony. Next gen would have hummed along without a hitch. Instead they cheapened out, screwing over devs, gamers, next gen. It’s anti-gamer and anti everything we want from next gen.

From wanting success for MS to be formidable competitor for Sony, I just want them to fail now. Why? They are tearing down the landscape, creating issues, fucking things up for an entire generation.

3 generations in and they still can't get it right.

They've been 2nd best ever since PS1 vs Xbox days and will continue into this next gen.

The only time they had any sort of real success in terms of actually being in the driving seat was during the 360 days and even then it was because of a monumental cock up from Sony on engineering PS3. And during the 360 days is the only time i ever bought an Xbox. They were that good then. I can't see any case (yet again) for getting an Xbox. Not now and not with Series X or S currently.
It also says alot about Sony that they were able to pull back the advantage (during 360 years) and not very much about MS. How do you fuck up a 1 year headstart at a much cheaper price and with all the killer games to boot.

This generation is not going to be pretty for MS. Sony's riding in on a tsunami of momentum with PS4 and only has room to improve and they're taking their userbase with them.
I'm sure Xbox will have success but the gen will play out much like this one has with Sony in the driving seat and Xbox in the trunk.

EDIT:
They need to get back Peter Moore and/or J.Allard. The only guys who ever had a clue on how to get Xbox breathing down Sony's neck.

 

[ethomaz]

Maybe they should be talking to MS. Does MS make dev tools for their platform or no?

That has nothing to do with dev tools.

You need to work, optimize, debug, profiling, etc for each platform you choose to release your game... the dev tool can be the one the dev feels comfortable with and help him most with these tasks.

 

[ethomaz]

Yep, that's some high quality FUD.

Imagine a world that actual big devs spread FUD about a machine.

Seems like they really want the death of Xbox.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Imagine a world that actual big devs spread FUD about a machine.

Seems like they really want the death of Xbox.

I meant the top post on this page.

 

[quest]

3 generations in and they still can't get it right.

They've been 2nd best ever since PS1 vs Xbox days and will continue into this next gen.

The only time they had any sort of real success in terms of actually being in the driving seat was during the 360 days and even then it was because of a monumental cock up from Sony on engineering PS3. And during the 360 days is the only time i ever bought an Xbox. They were that good then. I can't see any case (yet again) for getting an Xbox. Not now and not with Series X or S currently.
It also says alot about Sony that they were able to pull back the advantage (during 360 years) and not very much about MS. How do you fuck up a 1 year headstart at a much cheaper price and with all the killer games to boot.

This generation is not going to be pretty for MS. Sony's riding in on a tsunami of momentum with PS4 and only has room to improve and they're taking their userbase with them.
I'm sure Xbox will have success but the gen will play out much like this one has with Sony in the driving seat and Xbox in the trunk.

EDIT:
They need to get back Peter Moore and/or J.Allard. The only guys who ever had a clue on how to get Xbox breathing down Sony's neck.

Peter Moore is the goat but you think it would be any different lol? When Peter Moore killed it there was a different ceo at Microsoft that gave him money and left him alone. Peter Moore would be budget strapped and still have gamespass as the focus straight from the current CEO. There would be no splashy money hats we loved ect. That Microsoft is gone.

 

[SF Kosmo]

So important question: Are they going to allow Series X exclusives, or will it be like last gen where you have to support both?

Also, since this is basically the reverse concept of a "Pro" sku, I really wish they would call it the Xbox Series X Amateur.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

So important question: Are they going to allow Series X exclusives, or will it be like last gen where you have to support both?

Also, since this is basically the reverse concept of a "Pro" sku, I really wish they would call it the Xbox Series X Amateur.

3rd parties won't feel the need to offer XSX exclusives, since it's not necessary at all and games are easily scalable between XSX and XSS. They'd lose out on a huge chunk of profits for no reason.

 

[Jaybe]

Laziness nothing else. Remedy needs stfu and 1st fix frame rate issues on ps4 and Xbox for control. Game still chugs on One X. So it shows they suck at optimizing their games for multiple hardware.

So you are saying... optimizing for multiple hardware specs is challenging? And here we have MS trotting out another piece of hardware for developers to contend with at the very start of the generation.

 

[Jaybe]

You get it. People saying 'oh if they are making the game for PC it has to work for a variety of systems so it shouldn't be an issue' are being dense. PC developers are not making an optimal RTX 3080 version, optimal RTX 2070 version, and an optimal GTX 970 version. They make a general version and have the user pick the setting they want. With consoles, they need to not just make that choice for the player, but also optimize for that hardware specification. Hence the issue with launching the next generation with an additional hardware profile to optimize for.

Dude the difference between the ps5 and xsx is known they are completely different - underlying hardware the cpus are basically identical, the xsx gpu is not more feature rich, I wish you guys would just stop with this nonsense. They are both more than capable of pushing out 4K 60FPS and / or 4K 30FPS with limited ray tracing, Sony has already proven this with their 1st party games.

The SDK's used and the API's used are completely different, between Sony and MS. Sony uses its own SDK, Microsoft uses directx - the way they work are completely different, the way any game marks achievements / trophies and links into psn and xbl is also completely different - the controllers Sony's has far more features again the interaction is different.

This is known all third party publishers know they have 2 completely different beasts to build for and target and if it is also releasing on PC that again can be very different, for example on PC it might use Vulkan not directx, I'm not sure whether ms allows vulkan on the xsx I'm not sure if sony allows it (I doubt either do) - again does it work with steam or epic or their own publisher games store that will have completely different API interactions as well. Also generally speaking PC versions get released later, Rockstar is the perfect example they optimise for the consoles first and 6 months later they release to PC, or some will release on PC first and then later release on consoles.

In amongst all of this they now have to support 2 different profiles for xbox, they don't make anything extra for it, but have to optimise for 2 different hardware profiles - variation in ram, in bandwidth and in gpu strength the gpu in xss is 1/3 weaker in practically everything, the cpu runs slightly slower but that's nothing to worry about, its the gpu 20 cus at a lower frequency (the frequency reduction probably has a much bigger impact), the lower memory bandwidth, reduced mem size, so they have to optimise how they handle the data streaming, this will mean more time wasted for any xbox game - as I said right now I expect practically all game devs are middle fingering microsoft, more effort for next to no reward.

 

[DarkMage619]

This whole hinges on install base. If XsS sells a lot, devs can not afford to ignore it. Let’s hope it sells like shit.

Are you even a gamer? You really hate Microsoft that much you wish for their failure even if it doesn't affect Sony? That's pretty sad man. I hope all the consoles sell well and there are lots of great games to play regardless of platform.

That has nothing to do with dev tools.

You need to work, optimize, debug, profiling, etc for each platform you choose to release your game... the dev tool can be the one the dev feels comfortable with and help him most with these tasks.

Not sure what you are saying but I am certain that Microsoft has developer relations that can assist studios in optimization of their games. Last time I checked Microsoft was a software company. Let's see how the games turn out before jumping on the hate train.

 

[ethomaz]

Not sure what you are saying but I am certain that Microsoft has developer relations that can assist studios in optimization of their games. Last time I checked Microsoft was a software company. Let's see how the games turn out before jumping on the hate train.

Yes they have but that is not what devs are worried.

Dev time and costs are the main issue... they need to work more and that costs a lot.
Plus the scope of a game for S and X is different for a game for X only.

 

[scydrex]

So this is my final take:

	Xbox Series X	Xbox Series S	Difference	% Decrease
CPU	3.6Ghz SMT on	3.4Ghz smt on	200Mhz less	5.56%
GPU	52 CUs @ 1.825Ghz	20Cus @ 1.565Ghz	32 Cus less & 260 Mhz less	61.54 % Cu @ 14.25% Frequency
GPU TF	12.125	4	8.125 TF	67.01%
RAM Pool 1	10 GB @ 560GB/s	8 GB @ 224 GB/s	2 GB & 336 GB/s Slower	20 % @ 60% Frequency
RAM Pool 2	6 GB @ 336 GB/s	2GB @ 56 GB/s	4 GB & 280 GB/s slower	66.67% @ 83.33% Frequency
SSD Storage (base10)	1000 GB	500 GB	500 GB less	50%
4K UHD BR	1	0	No Bluray	100%
Price	$500	$300	$200	40% prices Decrease

So for 40% less price you get no uhd blu ray a gimped gpu (67% worse), slightly slower cpu, less RAM @ massively reduced bandwidth & half the ssd storage.

It is a terrible deal / terrible value, they should be pricing this thing at $199, bang per buck its a Joke look at the numbers and some are just purely looking at the price and think its great value, its not great value at all, its awful value.

That is was i said yesterday. Sure possibly will sell and casuals with not care about 4k and etc but for the specs. This is an awful value to me. If it has at least uhd blu ray at $250 would be better for me but for $300? No. I prefer to go with the PS5 and Swtich Pro or 2 combo.

 

[DeepEnigma]

XSS makes no sense for someone seeking cheaper alternative:

-It doesn't support discs = you can't borrow nor sell your games.
-You are forced to pay GOLD to play online, even for free to play games, unlike PS4/PS5.
-There is nothing worth buying an xbox to begin with.

The no disc thing for used, rented, or borrowed games is a good point for “budgeted gamers.”

It’s a GamePass box, essentially. A world design boat anchor.

 

[SlimySnake]

3 generations in and they still can't get it right.

They've been 2nd best ever since PS1 vs Xbox days and will continue into this next gen.

The only time they had any sort of real success in terms of actually being in the driving seat was during the 360 days and even then it was because of a monumental cock up from Sony on engineering PS3. And during the 360 days is the only time i ever bought an Xbox. They were that good then. I can't see any case (yet again) for getting an Xbox. Not now and not with Series X or S currently.
It also says alot about Sony that they were able to pull back the advantage (during 360 years) and not very much about MS. How do you fuck up a 1 year headstart at a much cheaper price and with all the killer games to boot.

This generation is not going to be pretty for MS. Sony's riding in on a tsunami of momentum with PS4 and only has room to improve and they're taking their userbase with them.
I'm sure Xbox will have success but the gen will play out much like this one has with Sony in the driving seat and Xbox in the trunk.

EDIT:
They need to get back Peter Moore and/or J.Allard. The only guys who ever had a clue on how to get Xbox breathing down Sony's neck.

couldnt disagree more. this is the gen they win back the casuals and win it big. the $299 xss is going to be a massive hit. there has no little to not backlash by the gaming media. no one except for this forum is talking about potential drawbacks. casuals certainly wont when they walk in to buy a next gen console.

this is a great business move by Phil. i highly doubt a $100 more expensive ps5 will outsell the xsx because it has better specs.

 

[InverseAgonist]

Yes they have but that is not what devs are worried.

Dev time and costs are the main issue... they need to work more and that costs a lot.
Plus the scope of a game for S and X is different for a game for X only.

I would agree and think this is a good point. There isn't a toolchain that just contains a button to scale all down complex shader programs, lighting models or high res texture maps in one easy swoop.

Also, with many more compute functions being moved to the GPU to exploit their parallel processing prowess, I do wonder if this will impact advanced physics implementations and other tasks on the X. Generations are a good idea in my book.

 

[DarkMage619]

Yes they have but that is not what devs are worried.

Dev time and costs are the main issue... they need to work more and that costs a lot.
Plus the scope of a game for S and X is different for a game for X only.

And you are saying that assistance from MS and improved tools will NOT aid in development? Why not? The S and X have the same CPU and general architecture. We aren't t talking XB1 here. The real important question is how does this affect PS5? If you don't like Xbox and won't buy one who cares what they do unless they buy out Sony and shut them down. They are the marketplace leader MS can't slow them down.

 

[dano1]

It’s not next gen. What a dumb decision if you buy one. PS5 digital For only $100 more!
Ass for every saddle I guess...

 

[Shmunter]

Are you even a gamer? You really hate Microsoft that much you wish for their failure even if it doesn't affect Sony? That's pretty sad man. I hope all the consoles sell well and there are lots of great games to play regardless of platform.

I am indeed a gamer. And because of that I wanted MS to succeed and provide solid competition for the betterment of the industry. But no longer, their approach conversely drags down the industry as a whole. For Xbox, for Playstation, for PC.

That's the sum and substance of my well considered and evolved position over time.

 

[DarkMage619]

I am indeed a gamer. And because of that I wanted MS to succeed and provide solid competition for the betterment of the industry. But no longer, their approach conversely drags down the industry as a whole. For Xbox, for Playstation, for PC.

That's the sum and substance of my well considered and evolved position over time.

And they do that by releasing a next gen console that has a mass market audience? Is this opposite day? Again you don't like Xbox don't buy one. Enjoy your playstation whatever. No need to be upset meme time right?

 

[Shmunter]

And they do that by releasing a next gen console that has a mass market audience? Is this opposite day? Again you don't like Xbox don't buy one. Enjoy your playstation whatever. No need to be upset meme time right?

Mass market is predicated by pricing. Pricing does not need to equate a turd sandwich. MS could have taken it upon themselves to achieve the goal with an approach that doesn't screw over next gen.

If I didn't believe this to be detrimental to next gen for everybody, including Sony; I wouldn't be having this conversation.

I don't expect people to read everything on the forum, but my reasoning is well documented. It is now clear, MS has acted irresponsibly as a major player in the industry, and we will all feel the effect. They no longer deserve to be part of the landscape. Print, bury.

 

[Neo_game]

Because they are going to target the very likely lead platform - PS5. And once again, scaling up just introduces more development time and optimization.

I am not sure about that but we will see in some years time when they drop the current gen support. The way I see it devs will make games for the S and the X will be 4K just like how it is the current gen. Some devs probably will do more than others like RT or high res textures may be. But If I were a multiplat dev I see no incentive in it.

 

[NullZ3r0]

Complains about developing a game for the Series S. Develops PC games to run on 6 year old GPU.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

GAF console warriors know better than people actually making the games, like always.

 

[DarkMage619]

Mass market is predicated by pricing. Pricing does not need to equate a turd sandwich. MS could have taken it upon themselves to achieve the goal with an approach that doesn't screw over next gen.

If I didn't believe this to be detrimental to next gen for everybody, including Sony; I wouldn't be having this conversation.

I don't expect people to read everything on the forum, but my reasoning is well documented. It is now clear, MS has acted irresponsibly as a major player in the industry, and we will all feel the effect. They no longer deserve to be part of the landscape. Print, bury.

Sounds like Xbox is not for you. I think MS has done tons of great things for the industry and coming out with a box that brings next gen features for a reasonable price should be commended. All this acting irresponsibly is pretty silly. This is business and MS is doing something that will get more people playing games and that growth is good for the industry.

 

[ethomaz]

And you are saying that assistance from MS and improved tools will NOT aid in development? Why not? The S and X have the same CPU and general architecture. We aren't t talking XB1 here. The real important question is how does this affect PS5? If you don't like Xbox and won't buy one who cares what they do unless they buy out Sony and shut them down. They are the marketplace leader MS can't slow them down.

What that has to do with the devs having to work in an addictional platform?

 

[Kazekage1981]

red dead 2 its 4k 30 fps on the xbox x,stop the bs

whats it going to be on xbox series s? Back to 1440p?

 

[Vroadstar]

Sounds like Xbox is not for you. I think MS has done tons of great things for the industry and coming out with a box that brings next gen features for a reasonable price should be commended. All this acting irresponsibly is pretty silly. This is business and MS is doing something that will get more people playing games and that growth is good for the industry.

Nope, a gimped next-gen console that only to exist to serve game pass growth is not doing the industry great things, in fact, it does it a disservice. This strategy serves only MS and MS alone, your mental gymnastics to defend your favorite plastic is soo transparent.

 

[Bogroll]

They will find a way to pay for a game if they really want it. Just look at their tattoos and dogs, cigarettes, big screen tv's and even cars while being on benefits. This ain't the 70's when we had no money you genuinely had fuck all. I remember we had to pay 50p for so many hours tv and my mother had to file a key down to open the box on the tv where you inserted money to reuse the money. Don't know they are born today lol rant over.

Edit i messed up here quoted wrong person but anyway, point still stands imo for anyone saying people can't afford the digital games and want 2nd hand disks and borrow games etc.

 

[AgentP]

couldnt disagree more. this is the gen they win back the casuals and win it big. the $299 xss is going to be a massive hit. there has no little to not backlash by the gaming media. no one except for this forum is talking about potential drawbacks. casuals certainly wont when they walk in to buy a next gen console.

this is a great business move by Phil. i highly doubt a $100 more expensive ps5 will outsell the xsx because it has better specs.

The same reason the sub $200 digital Xbox one S is flying off the shelves this gen huh?

 

[Md Ray]

Another dev. Principal engineer programmer at id Software:

 

[Allandor]

And the same developers love the switch
Maybe not becauseoof the specs but because of the consumer base.

 

[-Arcadia-]

Another dev. Principal engineer programmer at id Software:

Between this and the stated DF concern from Richard about the RAM, it will be fascinating to see how it all turns out.

I’m not so much taking any of this as a condemnation of the hardware just yet. It’s new, things are being figured out, and it’s a process. John even mentioned a possible solution with seeing lower resolution textures in effect for an S version?

I will say that I direly hope that this RAM situation doesn’t pull down the other systems. If it ends up being a problem, I hope developers downport from Series X and PS5, and compromise Series S in whatever ways it needs to be. That’s a line in the sand.

I guess, ultimately, I’m just hopeful that we can establish a precedent for mainstream affordable hardware at launch, but without holding back the technical advancement of the hobby.

 

[supernova8]

So important question: Are they going to allow Series X exclusives, or will it be like last gen where you have to support both?

Actually very interesting point.
I cannot see how Microsoft can do anything other than mandate games that work for XSS to work on XSX and vice versa, otherwise you're immediately creating a group of second class citizens.

I wonder how difficult it'll be to juggle the specs though. They're not massively difference in the style of Xbox One vs XSX but of course significantly different that some devs are voicing worries.

If they really can deliver identical visual fidelity just at a lower resolution then fantastic, all for it. Just get the feeling it won't be that cut and dry.

 

[supernova8]

Between this and the stated DF concern from Richard about the RAM, it will be fascinating to see how it all turns out.

I’m not so much taking any of this as a condemnation of the hardware just yet. It’s new, things are being figured out, and it’s a process. John even mentioned a possible solution with seeing lower resolution textures in effect for an S version?

I will say that I direly hope that this RAM situation doesn’t pull down the other systems. If it ends up being a problem, I hope developers downport from Series X and PS5, and compromise Series S in whatever ways it needs to be. That’s a line in the sand.

I guess, ultimately, I’m just hopeful that we can establish a precedent for mainstream affordable hardware at launch, but without holding back the technical advancement of the hobby.

Yeah if they want to fuck their own ecosystem that's cool but if it ends up affecting PS5 that's where people start to get the pitchforks out.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Another dev. Principal engineer programmer at id Software:

Who also makes his games for PC, with lower specs. No issue here.

 

[Shmunter]

Who also makes his games for PC, with lower specs. No issue here.

PC baseline could have been raised upon the release of XsX and PS5. But now, you are right.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

PC baseline could have been raised upon the release of XsX and PS5. But now, you are right.

True, but do you think that is realistic? I would have to checkout Steam aggregated PC specs to get actual figures. But how many PC's would be left behind if they would start targetting between XSS-XSX specs?

 

[Panajev2001a]

Who also makes his games for PC, with lower specs. No issue here.

In a way you have to applaud your dedication, having to hammer the point “no, scaling games is easy, devs love it, minimum specs/XSS does not hold back stronger HW/XSX” and then having to try to do it again when more and more big name devs admit publicly what most people knew already:

Min spec matters... most other people would have given up or admitted they were wrong... kudos, I guess.

 

[Shmunter]

True, but do you think that is realistic? I would have to checkout Steam aggregated PC specs to get actual figures. But how many PC's would be left behind if they would start targetting between XSS-XSX specs?

That's how it is currently. But over the coming year+ people would be adopting higher end specs to keep up.

It often takes a jolt like a defibrillator to the heart to shift paradigms. That's what next gen has always done, until MS came along with a 4tf /10 gig system in 2020 because 'Gamepass' is the next gen, not the tech.

You need a reason for tech to advance quickly. Without that reason, there is no urgency and a stale landscape takes hold.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Plus the scope of a game for S and X is different for a game for X only.

Not the same developers that make games on the PC where you have a wide range of CPU's from Intel and AMD and GPU's from NVidia and AMD, never mind a variety of Ram speeds and sizes?
I'm pretty sure most skilled developers can handle it

 

[Kumomeme]

And the same developers love the switch
Maybe not becauseoof the specs but because of the consumer base.

switch is different. the 3rd party games on it not necessary launch and working on same day compared to xss and xsx. Also it not mandatory port while game on xbox must scale to two sku at same time xss and xsx with non one of those get left behind.

switch also on different tier. currently the frontrunner of game industry, the one that gonna push the industry technology, the game visual, the AAA games is sony and microsoft. All eyes on that. Those circle is the one will push the industry foward, raising the bar, while switch position is at other place, which is just something sitting middle of it, on its own market that doesnt bother with teraflops or whatsoever. The console launch with lower specs in mind while both ps5 and xsx launch at highest specs possible aiming at 4k next gen visual.

 

[Panajev2001a]

True, but do you think that is realistic? I would have to checkout Steam aggregated PC specs to get actual figures. But how many PC's would be left behind if they would start targetting between XSS-XSX specs?

That is the definition of raising the bar, why console generations are good for PC gaming too (especially after the Xbox 360 days). New games requiring a jump in spec leaving some PC’s behind: some games at first and then more and more.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Not the same developers that make games on the PC where you have a wide range of CPU's from Intel and AMD and GPU's from NVidia and AMD, never mind a variety of Ram speeds and sizes?
I'm pretty sure most skilled developers can handle it

Again, they do handle it for single SKU multiple HW profiles releases (either they reduce the overall scope or release a version that only barely runs on the lower end machines... or they hold back the higher end hardware and/or ship you tons of configuration sliders for you to “optimise” the game... or do a mix of all those things).

The problem is not that it is impossible... it is just not free. Min specs matter.

 

[Shmunter]

#MinSpecsMatter

 

[Deleted member 775630]

That's how it is currently. But over the coming year+ people would be adopting higher end specs to keep up.

It often takes a jolt like a defibrillator to the heart to shift paradigms. That's what next gen has always done, until MS came along with a 4tf /10 gig system in 2020 because 'Gamepass' is the next gen, not the tech.

You need a reason for tech to advance quickly. Without that reason, there is no urgency and a stale landscape takes hold.

That is the definition of raising the bar, why console generations are good for pC gaming too (especially after the Xbox 360 days). New games requiring a jump in spec leaving some PC’s behind: some games at first and then more and more.

Yeah but let's not pretend we are standing still with the XSS. The SSD, CPU and RT capabilities alone are enough to say it's a big leap from the current generation. GPU is fine for 1080p, the only issue there might be is the RAM.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Yeah but let's not pretend we are standing still with the XSS. The SSD, CPU and RT capabilities alone are enough to say it's a big leap from the current generation. GPU is fine for 1080p, the only issue there might be is the RAM.

CPU and RT capabilities are also hampered and RAM is an issue (also not everything running on GPU’s is resolution dependent nowadays, reducing resolution helps but not linearly): https://www.neogaf.com/threads/what...hat-worries-developers.1565139/post-260062247

Even with the XSS yes the PC market and the overall market gets a bit of a bump, but min specs matter: with only XSX and PS5 actively supported in the market then bump would have been a lot bigger.