iHaunter
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No, no it is not. That makes zero sense.
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PS5 price - Seems like MediaMark NL may have leaked it
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No, no it is not. That makes zero sense.
Bryank75
Banned
Imagine they sold PlayStations in PoundLand!If the PS5 DE comes in at £100 less than the XSX in the UK, then that will create an interesting problem for me.
I'm from Scotland and am therefore incredibly tight!
sigrad
Member
Do you guys really think the digital PS5 will be $100 less than the disc version? If you do, you need your heads checked. Blu ray drives don't cost $100. The Xbox versions of this had a $50 difference last year. The PS5 digital will ony be $50 dollars less than the version with a BD Drive. I'm guessing $499 and $349.
baphomet
Member
If you don't understand they're using the digital edition as a loss leader for $100 less, then I don't think you understand how any of this works. The cost of the drive has nothing to do with why it'll be $100 less.
It's $399/499
Grinchy
Banned
It's amazing how many people jump in making his post and having no clue why Sony or MS would be able to price a digital-only console so much cheaper
And it's always said so definitively.
Sander Cohen
Member
Awww, I was hoping for five hundred and ninety nine US dollars just to see internet explode and disintegrate at the same time.
No its not, folks are being fooled by the Tflop number rather than looking at the console performance as a whole. Look when it comes to exclusive games from a fidelity standpoint
PS5 exclusives >>>>>>> Anything on Xbox, you can book it. M.S. wont even be able to compete from a fidelity standpoint until they stop cross gen development. When will that be 2023?
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Kerotan
Member
The thing is though, let's say Sony can only produce 10 million by march. They'll sell every single unit at €399/499 so why bother going cheaper. Hell even at €449/499 they'd clear all stock.
At €349 and €449 vs €50 more would mean half a billion in lost profit. They might as well make the dough now and put it towards a price cut in future when it actually needs it to keep sales momentum.
No, you need to take a buisness course. The D.E. will be faaaaaaarrr more profitable because your completely locked into Sony digital store for any content. Being digial is far more profitable than physical, they will be in the black once you buy just 3 AAA games and PS Plus. Also it blocks the ability to play used games, if you want games at a discount you have to purchase it through the store where sony gets a 30% cut off of everything sold.
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I played that in 2009.
MasterCornholio
Member
How many haven't?
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Yeah, I’m predicting $499 for physical and $399 or even $449 for digital. $449 for physical and $349 would be praiseworthy, but pragmatically speaking I doubt they will go for that.
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TheGrat1
Member
Sounds justifiable to me. GPU Powah is not the only value proposition a console can provide. Even if people do not care about the I/O complex (only exclusives will truly leverage it consistently, anyway) the controller has many more features than the competition.
demigod
Member
And thats the exact reason why the SAD didn’t sell many units. $50 is not worth the digital only discount.
KRYPT83
Member
They are losing alot at $500
Rien
Jelly Belly
Probably American
yurinka
Member
I think the prices will be 499 and 449.
If they go 499€ and 399€ will be great news, it means they will clearly dominate the market again.
They are already losing a lot of money with the early units selling the normal PS5 SKU at 499, and I think that removing the disk drive they save like 20€. So removing 50€ from the price for the discless SKU they are already making a big effort on top of the effort made in the normal SKU,, that I think would be compensated with the part of the average 10 or 11 games/console solds that now would be sold digitally instead of physically. So by removing 50€ of the discless SKU they would be making more or less the same effort and profit in the long term (consoles will be sold at launch at a loss, but as components get cheaper in the future will be sold at a profit)than with the normal SKU.
I think it doesn't make sense at all to expect a 100€ difference between both SKUs.
If they go 499€ and 399€ will be great news, it means they will clearly dominate the market again.
They are already losing a lot of money with the early units selling the normal PS5 SKU at 499, and I think that removing the disk drive they save like 20€. So removing 50€ from the price for the discless SKU they are already making a big effort on top of the effort made in the normal SKU,, that I think would be compensated with the part of the average 10 or 11 games/console solds that now would be sold digitally instead of physically. So by removing 50€ of the discless SKU they would be making more or less the same effort and profit in the long term (consoles will be sold at launch at a loss, but as components get cheaper in the future will be sold at a profit)than with the normal SKU.
I think it doesn't make sense at all to expect a 100€ difference between both SKUs.
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Rien
Jelly Belly
I think there will be a difference or 100 euros between the two. 399 and 499 or good prices of you aks. Also isnt the 4K player an updated version with the ability to read higher capacity discs?
yurinka
Member
I think that if base PS5 is 499 there won't be a 100€ difference because they are running a business. Because if not, how about a 400€ difference and paying 1€ to everyone who gets a discless console?
Regarding the PS5 bluray drive yes, it reads discs with a higher capacity than the PS4 ones.
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Rien
Jelly Belly
Redlancet
Banned
The thing its for 100 euros more, you have a actual next gen system with more ssd space and not a gimped doorstep
TheHighFlyingBirds
Member
If theres a £100 difference between digital and disk versions at estimated prices (£349 & £449), I'll still be getting the disk version as haven't got a uhd bluray player and my rack only has space for 1 item.
yurinka
Member
Game companies never announce stuff during weekends unless it's in a huge event like E3 or similar, which is announced way before.Hopefully we will know more this weekend
I assume that they will announce price and date in a PS Blog or maybe in a normal, more humble video like in that Nintendo Direct style stream they make, but in any case not during a weekend.
supernova8
Banned
If you choose the digital edition for only $100 less then you're a fool. That disc drive is worth far more than $100 over the life of the console when you consider how many games you might buy and will never be able to re-sell/trade-in.
If you do it knowingly and accept the consequences then.... enjoy!
I'll be getting the version with a disc drive.
If you do it knowingly and accept the consequences then.... enjoy!
I'll be getting the version with a disc drive.
Rien
Jelly Belly
True. But it might leak like at MS this week
yurinka
Member
We had 34203948203948023940239480239 PS5 price or date 'leaks' until now. So it's going to be impossible to know if it's just another fake 'insider' 'leak'.
Rien
Jelly Belly
True.. we will see. Sony better get done with it. Its starting to get ridiculous
Hostile_18
Banned
I'm all digital but still getting the disc drive version. I can retire my 4k player and have a all in one machine.
vdopey
Member
This was discussed previously and NXGamer produced an excellent video covering it:
He breaks down the 100 price difference to quality control, the price of the drive, the loss in producing and distributing the physical games, the cut the retailer will make, warranty claims as moving drives are the most likely to break down etc, watch the video for his full take on it, but yeah its not just the cost of the drive that is involved.
He breaks down the 100 price difference to quality control, the price of the drive, the loss in producing and distributing the physical games, the cut the retailer will make, warranty claims as moving drives are the most likely to break down etc, watch the video for his full take on it, but yeah its not just the cost of the drive that is involved.
Alandring
Member
Sony wouldn't make two different SKU for a $50 price difference. There is many reasons why the $100 price difference makes more sense:
- Sony earns more money on digital games.
- You can't sell used digital games.
- $399 is the price at which Sony wants to sell its PlayStation 5. It's really important to have a cheap console for the mass market. The $499 console is for gamers who don't care about the price of their console.
GeorgPrime
Banned
Lies.
They just dont offer it but we already can buy and sell digital games. Just takes a while before customers force it on every company now.
Just take a look at www.RobotCache.com
I already bought 2 games, finished them and sold them again there.
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$100 less for a significantly weaker gimped digital only console? That thing is DOA.
For $100 extra, you get over 2x more powerful GPU, 6GB more RAM and a 3x faster SSD with bigger storage. Basically no digital version with downgraded specs.
Nice try I guess.
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yurinka
Member
A game console with disc also sells digital games, and on average sells around 10-11 games per console. So a portion of this games are also digital.
So way less than 10 games would make the jump from retail to digital. In adition to this, digital games typically have more and more aggresive discounts.
So let's say that for each discless console maybe 4 o 5 physical copies are moved to digital, and many of them are highly discounted. To the point that 2nd hand market has been decreasing and related stores even shutting down, many people who did buy 2nd hand games now buy digital games.
So going digital only Sony can get some benefit, but not that much. I think their main benefit, in addition to that extra cut they get by removing 2nd hand and converting some physical sale to retail, would be that thanks to having a lower entry price they can get some additional extra sales. And that getting less stuff in that SKU its related costs are lower.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Digital-only is simply way more profitable long-term.
- Cuts out all the costs per sale associated with bricks and mortar retail.
- Reduces user exposure to competitor products
- Eliminates after-market sales completely.
- Incentivizes services as they become crucial for function.
- Drives more people to their storefronts.
danielJackson
Banned
And no next gen games.
399/499€ PS5 vs 599€ series x = one will be butchered.
(Its 599€ at least here on most stores)
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TheTechnician
Banned
You be save, i heard sony will offer a flip flop trade in programm in your homeland.
Fake
Member
Just like Microsoft? Lmao.
GeorgPrime
Banned
I expected the PS 5 at 499 anyway. Everything else is daydreaming.
If they go higher than that they will seriously lose buyers now and with the price bein 499 for the Series X thats the most they can do.
The Series S (i like to call it Series Students) is cheap and 50 % less powerful so it can go with 299 if you like Xbox One Enhanced Ports of Xbox Series X games in that case it makes more sense to go with PS 5 Digital at 399. So you dont have to buy a digital console that is weaker than the PS 5
The worst thing that can happen now is that Microsoft seriously pulls the Xbox Series V xD
If they go higher than that they will seriously lose buyers now and with the price bein 499 for the Series X thats the most they can do.
The Series S (i like to call it Series Students) is cheap and 50 % less powerful so it can go with 299 if you like Xbox One Enhanced Ports of Xbox Series X games in that case it makes more sense to go with PS 5 Digital at 399. So you dont have to buy a digital console that is weaker than the PS 5
The worst thing that can happen now is that Microsoft seriously pulls the Xbox Series V xD
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Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
They should drop PS4 to $199 same day they announce $399 and $499. Would give it one last holiday push and eek out the last big bump and hopefully keep it going (and locking people into their ecosystem) into next year for cheap gamers who may switch to PS5 in years when it's slim and cheap
Alandring
Member
Not really. If you want to buy a game day one, it's usually cheaper to buy it in physical. The aggressive discounts you mentions comes later, something like 2/3 years after launch. But if you own a digital edition, you don't have the choice: if you want to play Marvel's Avengers day one, you need to buy it at 70$/€ on PlayStation Store (it's currently at 60$ on Amazon, for comparison).
Yes, people who have the blu-ray disc-drive also buy some games in digital. But if you have the PlayStation 5 Digital Edition, you just don't have the choice.
megreotsugua
Banned
I am one of the early ones who were propagating a $100 difference between the Digital and Disc version. So I totally get this idea. But I've been thinking lately maybe we're looking at the wrong data about the PSN money-making business.
Console Hardware: $0.52bn / 9%
Packaged Software: $0.35bn / 6%
Digital Software: $1.37bn / 24%
Add on Content: $2.29bn / 41%
Subscriptions: $0.87bn/ 16%
Other: $0.23bn / 4%
How much of the add-on content revenue is driven by shared or second hand games?
How much of those who purchased add-on content are actually disc-only gamers?
If PS5 Digital Edition is sold at $100 less, it will be the most sold PS5 in the years to come. Many will have bought on the large discount.
However, I was thinking that maybe at 825GB of storage, it might discourage game purchasing (I know it's a bit of a stretch). The fact that many PS5 gamers who bought in the $100-less sku will then be tied to PSN sales might result in lesser games sold throughout PS5 lifetime (they won't be able to take advantage of retail sales and impulsive buying). In effect, lesser add-on content. Moreover, no more gamer who will be able to buy a second hand game who could be a target of add-on content.
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yurinka
Member
Nice idea. But notice retail games are 6% of their revenue, where digital games are 24% of that revenue and then there are the games from Plus and Now that are 16%. So from here we can see that retail are small portion of the games people play, and only a portion of this 6% are going to be sold 2nd hand.
So the 2nd hand market and related DLC for them is a small portion of their money. Since retail games only provide them 6% of their revenue, so a discless SKU won't mean a big change for them.
The main difference of having a discless SKU is that the 6% from retail games sales will decrease a bit faster increasing a bit faster the 24% from digital games sales and 16% from subs.
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megreotsugua
Banned
That might be due to Covid though, I don't know.
Totally true. But the question is, what is the incentive of promoting an all-digital console? Would it really bring a higher PSN sales as a consequence? What would be it's effect on add-on sales?
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yurinka
Member
Sure, people was able to buy from Amazon and similar but most retail stores were closed in a lot of places, so you're right
-Cheaper console entry point, which means more consoles sold, also more games, services and DLC sold.
-2nd hand market gets smaller, they want to kill it to make the 2nd game users to buy 1st hand games instead (digital even if discounted or from services)
-They also boost a bit the already existing retail games to digital games shift (so they get extra revenue from each game sold if not super discounted)
-Since they own the store they have more control to decide who sells through store featuring and so on. So they are in a better position when negotiating with publishers.
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ethomaz
Banned
Really? That is great but 10k - 1k is still 9k lol
Let’s hope the price doesn’t cross 5k here.
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megreotsugua
Banned
Cheaper console = more console sold, we can all agree. If they are willing to take loss from the Digital Edition, I thought they'd be willing to take the same loss for Blu-ray Edition using the arguments I stated above. Blu-ray edition leads to more gamers trying out games, and maybe eventually buy into add-on contents.
I'm not saying it won't happen. But I think we should also consider that maybe it will lead to less games sold, I don't know.
I really doubt the extra revenue would be that big though. Maybe about $7 - $10. Gamers now are buying through PSN without having a Digital Edition console.
The biggest positive I think is the elimination of second hand sales. But is it really positive in the grand scheme of things?
They can do it now, and can do it still after blu-ray editions are sold in majority.
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Balducci30
Member
No disk drive version is a no brainer if that’s the case