New Yorks Finest
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Which is all good. S is punching below its waist and it simply comes down to, you get what you paid for, Series X is in another league crushing with no sweat its competition..point,blank, period.
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Xbox Series S Won’t Apply Xbox One X Enhancements, Microsoft Confirms
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
yes, you nailed it
Fanboys always have 2 very different points of view.
simply said:
So just let the series s be, what it is, a lower budget console. So people that can't pay for the bigger ones can still enjoy some good games. Graphics don't make games better, gameplay does. If you're only gaming because of graphics, buy a PC
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Shodan09
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I mean, its still better backwards compatibility than the PS5 is offering.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Joke:
Serious: xbox should have sprung for more memory, especially for X1X BC. However given the target differences I understand the strategy for XSS e.g. 1080p TV or low budget entry point.
Serious: xbox should have sprung for more memory, especially for X1X BC. However given the target differences I understand the strategy for XSS e.g. 1080p TV or low budget entry point.
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funking giblet
Member
This is pretty disappointing. Even with less RAM I would have thought the bandwidth advantage may help here. It's a weird strategy, but I'm guessing they want people who buy the top end model last gen, to do it again this gen.
It would have been sweet as a drop in replacement for the X, especially for people who have just bought one and may sell it to fund the Series S.
It would have been sweet as a drop in replacement for the X, especially for people who have just bought one and may sell it to fund the Series S.
Which begs the question, why would they even consider buying this machine for at least a couple of years.
FIFA and COD will be on current gen for a couple of iterations and MS committed to the same for their titles, so really if the casuals don't care about having the highest performance and just want to play the games at a good price - why upgrade?
funking giblet
Member
Oh wait, you can download Kodi on this thing?
Not a bad form factor for a streaming box.
Not a bad form factor for a streaming box.
Because it still has those next gen features like a better cpu and an SSD.
This will feel like a big upgrade to casuals still rocking their original PS4s or Xbox Ones, especially on cross-gen games that will be optimised for those features.
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yh so think what you wanna buy there, i mean $200 difference but you would get everything for that extra price , but most important you will have that for years and years in future,when games will evolve and get better on same hardware, for that long time to go cheap looks kinda stupid , because price for XSX for many years forward is like nothing compare to pc prices or phones. your pc cpu and gpu will get old more faster then next gens will get replaces with new gen.
why to go cheap and then allways have that though : man how it would look on XSX maxed...
and when you dont have lots money you thinking a lot forward if you smart, to go cheap is bad move if you on budget. its better to invest more but then have that full experience.
i know i wont have cash when next gen consoles will come up so i will buy that probably like paying monthly for year or so, and for sure i wont take that cheap just because its cheaper.
why to go cheap and then allways have that though : man how it would look on XSX maxed...
and when you dont have lots money you thinking a lot forward if you smart, to go cheap is bad move if you on budget. its better to invest more but then have that full experience.
i know i wont have cash when next gen consoles will come up so i will buy that probably like paying monthly for year or so, and for sure i wont take that cheap just because its cheaper.
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Zato
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Nothing to quibble about, the One X has a better GPU, not as modern before the fuckwits pile on but still the fact remains.
That and the memory bandwidth of the Series S will become more apparent as the gen moves forward.
Torrent of Pork
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alabtrosMyster
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That or marketing.
Series S runs the low quality assets version of games (like the one s).
Series X runs the highest quality assets for a given game.
It doesn't matter how demanding the games are, series s loads the low quality assets and resolution configuration.
thelastword
Banned
So how did this happen. MS is banking hard on BC features "XBOX Enhanced" for next gen.....
Non-4k device doesn't do 4k. How dare they?
thelastword
Banned
We could not stop hearing how XBONEX did 4K, if XBONEX is weaker than XSS and can do 4K on last gen games, why can't XSS?
Because it doesn't need to. It's not a 4k device. What's the point in forcing it to output native 4k or close to it for a console aimed at people with 1080p screens?
Ram would probably give you issues before the gpu would, but it's all academic. 4k output for games isn't needed here.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
That is MS’s trying to both paint it as a superior new platform (even now boasting XSS is several times faster than XOX) as well as position it as Xbox One S successor and not wanting to eat into XSX sales at the same time. Mess of their own making...
geordiemp
Member
Ps5 will use ps4 pro settings and boost them
XSS will use xb1 assets often at 900p and boost them
Shame, if MS had given XSS more RAM memory, it could of used and boosted XB1X settings, but they were too tight.
This is only a mess in the minds of people who expected a non-4k device to inexplicably be 4k in some games.
I'm not going to get into console warring, but just for your own info: the SS will have the same console wide enhancements as the SX. HDR on all games, framerates, etc.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Some games can be 4K even on PS4 Pro which is definitely slower and has less RAM, let’s cut the BS... this is a mess of MS’s own making. XSS not being able to run XOX game profile is MS’s artificially induced problem.
The Xbox Series S is NEVER going to run a game in 4k. Everything else is conjecture, but the truth is its not an issue. Its being marketed as a 1080p machine. For the vast majority of One X enhanced games, it wouldn't benefit from having the download, while simultaneously taking up more space.
I've said before, it's annoying the SS will miss out on features like increased draw distance. But anybody who cares will be getting a Series X anyway.
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LarknThe4th
Member
Cant they prepare a separate Series S specific profile for backwards compatibility that updates all the old games to take advantage of the Series Ss specs??
If not this is pretty bad
If not this is pretty bad
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Just because MS can force it not to. The console is able to run 4K titles and they designed in a way they knew it could not run Xbox One X games in their intended profile. A mess of their own making...
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Pretty much if some games ran in 4k in BC mode then they would bitch about inconsistent messaging is it a 4k device or 1080p device. There is no winning with Sony gaf for Microsoft.
Kerotan Frog
Member
Literally, what is the point..?
thelastword
Banned
Have you seen Gears 5 running at 120fps on XSS? I have not seen it, can you provide a link? Was there a DF video?
Can the XSS play 360 games. Like I could take any 360 game put it in the Series X and they will play. So you mean I will be able to play, Otogi 1+2, Gun Valkyrie, Project Gotham 1 at 60fps, PGR2 + 4 etc......?
At least we know PS4 had no BC because of Cell.....Knowing how weak the jaguars are and that i7's can't properly emulate cell games. We've known that for a century. It is not Sony intentionally denying you PS3 BC......It's one of the reasons they are attempting to give you remakes on the best PS2/PS3 games.....Which is much more on an investment financially, and the reward relative to graphics, cameras, gameplay even better as can be seen with Demon Souls and I assume many more......Resistance rumors et al....
So why don't these people just keep their PS4's and XBOX One's......Overwatch and Fortnite plays just fine there. Overwatch is 60fps on these consoles....Why spend another $299, when you are playing these games just fine on your old console.....
Imagine that......
IGN “The Series S could be faster than the PS5”
https://www.ign.com/articles/xbox-series-x-series-s-price-release-date-november-all-access Click the first video for their explanation. EDIT: I’m just reporting what I saw on their page. I have no opinion on it, but enjoy reading tech wiz’s opinions on it. TLDR of IGN’s explanation: “The...www.neogaf.com
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Shodan09
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, and play games from the ps3/360 era as a 4k black screen.
clem84
Gold Member
I'm just gonna ask a dumb question because I'm dumb.
XSX will apply X1X improvements to original XB1 games?
Yes and some they have brewing in the Microsoft research and development lab like hdr. I would not be shocked to see machine learning upscaling of BC games since there is plenty of horsepower left over and frame time.
I really can't find a word for so much ignorance.
Maybe they don't keep their PS4 and xb1 because they never had a console before. There is some folks called children and know what? They grow up and may want their first console.
Do you really expect their parents and grant parents want to buy a 499 box? They get whatever is cheaper
than (I heard) there are people that just want to enjoy games and just don't want (or can't) pay 499 for a box. And those can entry the market for 299. If memory prices fall the box is fast at 249 or 199.
Please just end this endless trolling after each positive news about a ms product. You wouldn't buy it even if Sony would just deliver a better calculator. So please just leave those threads alone if you have nothing but troll posts.
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So originally the mess of their own making was that they were saying it was more powerful, so people were right to presume a non 4k device would have 4k games. Even though they made it clear it wouldn't.
Now the mess is they could have made their non 4k device 4k if they wanted to?
sendit
Member
It’s being marketed as a 1440p machine. The Series S is the mass marketed next gen console for Microsoft.
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1440p isn't a thing really. I think 5 per cent or so of PC gamers have 1440p monitors. It's a good medium for supersampling and upscaling. You're right though, I should have said marketing it to people with 1080p screens.
Riky
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XSS hasn't got the same priorities as X1X, it's that simple. It's a replacement for the X1S the clue is the S in the name.
They are obviously trying to put frame rate above resolution which is why we have already seen 120fps on Gears 5 which no previous Gen game did.
It will run X1S games at their highest potential and hopefully get a few patches to older games that will upgrade them like the Gears update.
They are obviously trying to put frame rate above resolution which is why we have already seen 120fps on Gears 5 which no previous Gen game did.
It will run X1S games at their highest potential and hopefully get a few patches to older games that will upgrade them like the Gears update.
THE DUCK
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The headline is most definately mislead
Its a thing in that it does actually look a lot closer to 4k than 1080p than one might think.
Its a thing in that it does actually look a lot closer to 4k than 1080p than one might think.
Batiman
Banned
Because people still want something new. They just don’t want to pay too much for it. People buy new cars when they’re old one works good enough. People take that new IPhone plan when they’re old one works fine. This examples can go on forever. They care, but not enough to pay a large price. The next gen hype sucks everyone in. Even casuals. The xss is their ticket to come along whether you consider next gen or not.
Right, there's nothing wrong with it. But most of the benefits are practical - supersampling and upscaling. The only marketing potential outside the small amount of people who have screens at that resolution is that it's more than 1080p, and most the people buying it will only have 1080p screens.
Soapbox Killer
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itsjustJEFF
Member
It's crazy, but I never knew how important ram could be. I even forgot how much ram the One X had and how much the Series S has!
DonF
Member
So doesmy xbox 360. The cool thing was playing the enhanced version the one x is able to play.
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
This thread is dumb. The article cited literally says....
"The news may come as a disappointment to some, but as the statement mentions, backwards compatible games will still look better on Xbox Series S due to improved texture filtering and other enhancements.
Games with dynamic resolutions and unlocked framerates will also see a benefit. And finally, many first party games that were enhanced for Xbox One X, such as Forza Horizon 4 and Gears 5, are going to be updated to make use of the extra power afforded by both Xbox Series S and X."
The context of the article contradicts its own title.
"The news may come as a disappointment to some, but as the statement mentions, backwards compatible games will still look better on Xbox Series S due to improved texture filtering and other enhancements.
Games with dynamic resolutions and unlocked framerates will also see a benefit. And finally, many first party games that were enhanced for Xbox One X, such as Forza Horizon 4 and Gears 5, are going to be updated to make use of the extra power afforded by both Xbox Series S and X."
The context of the article contradicts its own title.
aries_71
Junior Member
Total, absolute and radical disagreement. Backwards compatibility is THE feature. Just having the capability of playing my game library with better resolution and graphics it's a fundamental thing.
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
Member
the lack of disc drive is a problem. No used games, no 4k blu ray playback.
If you don't care about specs, the under 200$ xbox one is a better buy, unless they discontinue it.
Xbox one only plays a handful of 360 titles, or am I mistaken?
yes, you nailed it
Fanboys always have 2 very different points of view.
simply said:
So just let the series s be, what it is, a lower budget console. So people that can't pay for the bigger ones can still enjoy some good games. Graphics don't make games better, gameplay does. If you're only gaming because of graphics, buy a PC
This is assuming people should be ok with a weak console because 4k is a waste or because they want a powerful console that makes things look or play better at a lower res (physics or other effects) . These things aren't contradictory, it's just people misunderstanding others. If I say a a $100,000 watch is a waste doesn't mean I think having money is bad and I should be happy with a minimum wage job.
I don't disagree.