Mr Moose
Member
Or, you know, you're wrong, as I stated twice, unless you think Sony INCREASED their production to 15 million from 10 million (from 5M?), then cut it by 4 million to 11 million.
How dense do you need to be do believe that stuff?
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How dense do you need to be do believe that stuff?
Mr Moose
Member
They will by releasing the PS5, they don't need to say anything about nonsense rumours.Will Sony come out and quash these poor yield rumours... I hope so
thurnishaleygw
Member
RDNA 1!!!!! WE GOT 'EM!Sooo MS updated
Xbox SX site.
And there is something to create some FUD like good old xbox folks would do if something similar would happen on PS5 site
There is only mention of RDNA , not RDNA 2 !!! So it must be RDNA 1 !!!
Im joking. Do I ?
Seriously, just imagine Sony stating solely "RDNA"...
The FUD brigade would come in like:
Sinthor
Gold Member
Odd that this article says they're REDUCING production to about 10-11 million when earlier articles said they had INCREASED production by 3-4 million units to hit that same 10 million figure. Wonder if some wires are crossed there? Seems like one or both of those reports has some wires crossed. BTW, how many XSX and XSS are being produced? Do we have any clue?
Reficul
Member
"Results in worlds that demands a closer look"....
Yeah I guess Halo Infinite demanded a closer look. I was trying to figure out where they had hidden the remaining 11 teraflops.
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Lethal01
Member
Agreed, what was said is that it is primarily RDNA 2 with features from RDNA 1 in addition to features that are in neither.
Saying those features could end up being in RDNA 3 isn't anything crazy and isn't something he would deny.
The point being that acting like it's RDNA 1.9 or 1.1 is dumb
Do you understand?
It does suck it seems to be missing ML features . But, aside from that what he is stating is very positive.
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Zheph
Member
So you are balancing the force too? A lot of concerned Jedi on the green team, thank you
Aladin
Member
Not if those bad nodes are used for series s.
Kind sir, TSMC having bad yields will affect the xsx way more than the ps5. The fact you think this would be bad news for the ps5 and not for the xsx shows how out of your element you are here, I'm sorry to tell you that.
Most of all, it's not true. TSMC is reported to have historically high yields on the 7nm fab node. So relax, neither console will have any such issues.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
To anyone thinking TSMC is having yeild issues on an under 40 CU chip (with 4 innactive) has some mental issues or knows absolutely nothing about this topic
And to the Xbox fans eating this shit up, you do know your console has 50+ CUs under the same fab node by the same TSMC. If the ps5 yeilds are 50%, then the xsx is what? 20%?
Just use your brains guys and learn to assess what's even in the realm of possible / logic
Kind sir, TSMC having bad yields will affect the xsx way more than the ps5. The fact you think this would be bad news for the ps5 and not for the xsx shows how out of your element you are here, I'm sorry to tell you that.
Most of all, it's not true. TSMC is reported to have historically high yields on the 7nm fab node. So relax, neither console will have any such issues.
Xbox will have the exact same yield issues in their manufacturing process. Some have even speculated that the chips that failed to meet the requirements of the XSX are then used in the XSS?Will Sony come out and quash these poor yield rumours... I hope so
Md Ray
Member
So basically:
Native mode = Boost Mode: On
BC1 mode = PS4 Pro Legacy Mode (BM: Off)
BC2 mode = PS4 Legacy Mode (BM: Off)
Even aligns perfectly with the slide shown at the event. Thanks for that post.
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hemo memo
Gold Member
That’s very smart.
xacto
Member
They probably need to ask permission from Microsoft first.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
Yes, exactly. As it would be for Sony to have a deal with AMD to re-purpose their chips (if possible).
wellgamer789
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Rocco Schiavone
Member
To anyone thinking TSMC is having yeild issues on an under 40 CU chip (with 4 innactive) has some mental issues or knows absolutely nothing about this topic
And to the Xbox fans eating this shit up, you do know your console has 50+ CUs under the same fab node by the same TSMC. If the ps5 yeilds are 50%, then the xsx is what? 20%?
Just use your brains guys and learn to assess what's even in the realm of possible / logic
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Elog
Member
Are you guys nervous?
Most people on this forum have no idea what yield is, what the numbers in the article means and if this in any way relates to them. Nevertheless there is a complete panic with several threads and a green brigade out in full force.
In short: Assuming the article is correct, 1) 50% yield of initial manufacturing for a big piece of silicon is ok but needs to go up over time. 2) It has no meaning for your product as you buy it what the yield was when manufactured and 3) Sony has not cut production at all (but might get fewer units to sell due to the supposed yield issue).
The timing of this is a bit funny though, there always seem to be hit pieces when Sony is about to come out with something good. THAT is interesting. Same story last time - and it was nothing then in the end.
Most people on this forum have no idea what yield is, what the numbers in the article means and if this in any way relates to them. Nevertheless there is a complete panic with several threads and a green brigade out in full force.
In short: Assuming the article is correct, 1) 50% yield of initial manufacturing for a big piece of silicon is ok but needs to go up over time. 2) It has no meaning for your product as you buy it what the yield was when manufactured and 3) Sony has not cut production at all (but might get fewer units to sell due to the supposed yield issue).
The timing of this is a bit funny though, there always seem to be hit pieces when Sony is about to come out with something good. THAT is interesting. Same story last time - and it was nothing then in the end.
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prinz_valium
Member
Xbox Series X got a CPU overclock
From 3.6GHz to 3.66GHz
From 3.6GHz to 3.66GHz
xacto
Member
The 1080P unstoppable beast!
why am I not surprised.
Everyone gets stressed out once in a while
HAL-01
Member
What’s funniest to me is the fanboys running with the idea that Sony will solve yield issues by lowering their gpu clocks last minute, as if that’s going to somehow reactivate the faulty CUsAre you guys nervous?
Most people on this forum have no idea what yield is, what the numbers in the article means and if this in any way relates to them. Nevertheless there is a complete panic with several threads and a green brigade out in full force.
In short: Assuming the article is correct, 1) 50% yield of initial manufacturing for a big piece of silicon is ok but needs to go up over time. 2) It has no meaning for your product as you buy it what the yield was when manufactured and 3) Sony has not cut production at all (but might get fewer units to sell due to the supposed yield issue).
The timing of this is a bit funny though, there always seem to be hit pieces when Sony is about to come out with something good. THAT is interesting. Same story last time - and it was nothing then in the end.
HAL-01
Member
This has no impact on final PS5 hardware whatsoever, Sony will just have less units to sell at launchSo will this Yield issues cause Sony to run the GPU slower?
xacto
Member
Because the clueless don't know they are clueless, otherwise they wouldn't be clueless.
LiquidRex
Member
I hope so... I see there's the possibility Microsoft has given the XSX CPU a boost
Neo Blaster
Member
Great, now FUD gang think defective chips are still being used on consoles?
xacto
Member
That is when you know these idiots have no idea what that really means. But probably little Timmy will believe someone like SenjutsuSage, who knows. I mean they target a specific demographic with these idiotic allegations.
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LiquidRex
Member
How embarrassing it would be for Sony if in the Taredown they announce they had to run the clock slower to 2ghz, or less to improve yield stability
But as you say this shouldnt impact the final hardware
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BGs
Industry Professional
PS5 had problems in its development like all consoles. And all these problems were solved. In the case of PS5, the best known problem was that of temperature, which did not allow to achieve the desired theoretical performance. That was fixed a long time ago and it's over.
They are not going to put up for sale 50% of the production of supposedly defective consoles that can cause an "explosion" or "insufficient performance", let's be serious, that will not happen, and if it did happen (in dreams more damp from those who want the downfall of Sony) I'm sure a company like Sony will be quick to replace those units with new ones at zero cost to the consumer (just like MS did in the past with their faulty batches, if I'm wrong on this point Please be corrected).
Finally I think it is important to say something obvious, that although it is obvious it is possible that someone has not thought about it, the PS5DE will be a little more "silent" and "fresh" than the PS5 (for the BD reader). And this does not mean that the same performance cannot be obtained in both. In fact, the difference in temperature is laughable. In any case the power of both is the same... same... same... (With echo).
I think the only worrying thing at this point is not the temperature or the (proven) performance of the PS5, I think the worrying thing is the absence of exclusive quality nextgen in the XSX launch catalog. But even more worrying than that is the fact that by now not enough material has been seen working on an XSX (in my modest opinion).
I hope that this will change between now and launch, but I haven't heard anything about it yet.
They are not going to put up for sale 50% of the production of supposedly defective consoles that can cause an "explosion" or "insufficient performance", let's be serious, that will not happen, and if it did happen (in dreams more damp from those who want the downfall of Sony) I'm sure a company like Sony will be quick to replace those units with new ones at zero cost to the consumer (just like MS did in the past with their faulty batches, if I'm wrong on this point Please be corrected).
Finally I think it is important to say something obvious, that although it is obvious it is possible that someone has not thought about it, the PS5DE will be a little more "silent" and "fresh" than the PS5 (for the BD reader). And this does not mean that the same performance cannot be obtained in both. In fact, the difference in temperature is laughable. In any case the power of both is the same... same... same... (With echo).
I think the only worrying thing at this point is not the temperature or the (proven) performance of the PS5, I think the worrying thing is the absence of exclusive quality nextgen in the XSX launch catalog. But even more worrying than that is the fact that by now not enough material has been seen working on an XSX (in my modest opinion).
I hope that this will change between now and launch, but I haven't heard anything about it yet.
geordiemp
Member
Its a shame the people creating FUD are as stupid and thick as two short planks, otherwise we could have good debate.
They are also too lazy to read, or dont understand long words. Must be boring having no game sto talk about
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Shmunter
Member
Meanwhile in some shop
no difference between xss and xsx only price
Sony fan walks past and knocks those over guaranteed.
Neo Blaster
Member
Dude, hitting full victimism now?
Let's assume there are really yield problems, do you think defective chips are still being used on the console? At most, this problem could cause shortage and cost hike, which is up to Sony whether it will go to the final price.
geordiemp
Member
What bad news, some idiot who does not understand semi conductor making up a rumour that is hilarious, probably has no idea even teh difference between parametric and partiiculate effects on yield at TSMC.
Its a load of crap, dumb at that, IQ of Timdog
DrDamn
Member
Setsuna Mudou
Member
That's not how things workHow embarrassing it would be for Sony if in the Taredown they announce they had to run the clock slower to 2ghz, or less to improve yield stability
But as you say this shouldnt impact the final hardware
Yields relate to the amount of valid CUs in the chip. That's why Sony, Microsoft, etc deactivate a few CUs per chip. That means, you would need to have more than 4 or so CUs defective to throw away the chip.
That's all, nothing to do with downclocking, so please don't be deceived ok?
Furthermore, if TSMC is having yield issues for Sony, it will have exactly the same or worse for Microsoft as they are on the same fab node.
Neo Blaster
Member
No, defective chips are not used in final product.So will this Yield issues cause Sony to run the GPU slower?
makaveli60
Member
There is one thing I care about this situation. Can this have an effect on the launch units' stability, should I worry if I buy one at launch? Meaning a similar situation like RRoD?
Mr. PlayStation
Member
So what did i miss past few pages? Let me see, hmm so now PS5 is supposed to blow up in your faces when you plug it in a power socket? Try better fudmasters!
Zheph
Member
no, you will be just fine
HAL-01
Member
it will not affect consumer units, there will just be less of them. It may affect how low sony would be willing to price the console, given they're losing money with every bad chip. And this is all under the assumption that there actually is a yield problem
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Nothing new here, it's happened before. But no FUDmaster or concern trolls going to stop PS5 from shining
, now hurry up Wednesday!
TLZ
Banned
Whoa. That's creepy indeed.
I remember watching Nightmare on Elm Street as an 8 year old and thought that was scary. Don't know watching this now how I'll feel. Most horror movies now just make me laugh. They're more comedy to me
Neo Blaster
Member
No, bad yields just mean that a percentage of manufactured chips exceeded the allowed number of defective CUs(more than 4 assuming PS5 chips have 40 CUs, 4 deactivated). TSMC checks this for every wafer, and will deliver to AMD/Sony only those with a minimum of 36 working CUs. So, it won't 'blow up on your face' when you turn it on.
If those chips were being made for PC graphics cards, defective ones could still be used for lesser cards in the lineup according to how many CUs they use. This could be the case for MS, they could use any XSX chip up to 32 defective CUs on XSS.
DrDamn
Member
They could do a Xbox Series Lucky-dip where your working CUs is somewhere between XSS and XSX and you don't know until you turn it on
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