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[R3claimer117]

They are currently being made no?

they’re just trolling apparently Phil Spencer has taking all the 98 percent of games that’s coming out for both systems and are them.

 

[Nikana]

And the press usually do not get preview builds this early for just themselves. They usually go somewhere to play the preview builds, where they are in a more controlled environment. I know for some preview builds since COVID, they have had some control builds via streaming. Others it was a time locked. This is MS previewing the console itself, and not the games. Hopefully the games will come soon, but that is not what this is right now.

Never claimed it was anything else but asking for a content coded for Series X that shows the hardware in action 6 weeks from release is not some unfathomable ask.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Interesting but i would guess probably because the OS is doing other things on the internal SSD while external SSD does not have any activity on it.

That is where the custom HW should lighten the load and not cause such a discrepancy... something is messed up in there, quite likely something with the benchmark setup itself.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Which twitching ADD smack head is bouncing between multiple games at once? The fuq is wrong with you?

Anyway, when is KUF 1 and 2 getting BC you fucking cunts? I've had the original disc for over 15 years. It's still here, waiting to fuck some shit up!

 

[mikefrails]

One question..... why are so many of the ray tracing features delayed?
Like Halo, it was stated to be added later in a patch and DMCV, also stated it would not launch with ray tracing.....
Then they have not shown any next gen games on the console. Very suspicious.

Enjoy your ban

 

[Great Hair]

That's a slow SATA drive mate. 540MB/s

That's the max speed, but you will get slower than that on sustained read and write. The bottleneck is not the internal SSD, it is the external and USB speed.

that´s the one he used for testing, he mentioned it here

 

[Panajev2001a]

Never claimed it was anything else but asking for a content coded for Series X that shows the hardware in action 6 weeks from release is not some unfathomable ask.

Then again in an iPhone like iterative HW cycle you often know about some first party system features very shorty before launch and most third parties add specific features well after lunch.

 

[NoMoChokeSJ]

Quieter than a One-X. That's pretty impressive. We'll see what it sound alike with software that pushes the system though. Anybody who owns a good graphics card knows that they can get seriously loud, so it'll be interesting to see.

 

[CeeJay]

Those loading times are massive, what happened to the "lol 1s vs 2s" thing?

Maybe they improve, while 10-40s isnt that bad, it sounds slow for next gen even for BC games.

Careful fighting on this hill dude. These are unoptimized BC games not leveraging XVA. We also haven't seen any PS5 BC to compare to as far as i'm aware, don't expect 1s or 2s load times on those either.

 

[Tripolygon]

That is where the custom HW should lighten the load and not cause such a discrepancy... something is messed up in there, quite likely something with the benchmark setup itself.

I think its to be expected from an external SATA SSD. If you use an NVMe SSD it should be able to copy faster than that over USB but that would be a waste of NVMe capability. The expansion storage should be able to do 2GB/s at least as the would be over PCIE gen 4x2 interface.

 

[Doncabesa]

Sure, but even with some local data extracted from the running game we do agree it is not the same thing as a game’s rendering pipeline created with HDR in mind and tweaked by the game’s artists right?

Certainly, but that wasn't the original point. I'm interested to see how it works in action.

 

[SirTerry-T]

Some folk in here should be strapped to a c64 with a dodgy tape deck with an azimuth screwdriver for a week for all their gaming needs.
That will sort out the men from the boys.
Bunch of whining crybabies!

The load times look pretty bloody impressive to me, I'm sure the PS5 will be even quicker, baring in mind that's the tech Sony really went to town on.
Does that bother me as someone who would like to upgrade his decrepid 360 to a Series X???
Not in the fucking slightest.

Life's too short to get hung up on videogame loading times.
Obviously I'm not the social party animal that others are in this thread who find any game loading over half a minute to be some sort of earth shattering disaster.

 

[M1chl]

Doesn't look unlocked to me if they don't go past 30/60. Seems like they have frame caps that they're just now hitting.

So then they have cap at 60, not 30. However it's not locked at 30.

 

[soulbait]

I don't care about what's space is usable after formatting. They advertise 1TB on the box and 800GB is usable from that advertised 1TB. Not that hard to understand what I'm saying.

Are you new to listed storage space on boxes? I buy a new PC from Dell. Have 512 GB SSD. Guess what? I don't have full 512GB to use. Not only is there an operating system, but a 512 GB SSD never has 512GB fully available once it is ready to use, even without the OS on it. This is nothing new.

What is installed into the mother board of a XSX is indeed a 1TB SSD. So when it says it has a 1TB SSD, it is a 1TB SSD. OS will take up space. There will need to be room for other features as well, like the quick resume. So having 802 GB of storage, sounds right. That 825 GB SSD on PS5 will have less available storage as well, unless the OS is being stored somewhere else.

 

[Endless Fluff]

Holy shit, that boot sound brings back THX memories, just shorter. I hope they make it a bit quieter.

Sekiro hitting an avg of 59fps is pretty impressive. Going to be interesting to see how PS5 stacks up to that.

Really looking forward to some more BC videos/comparisons.

 

[Flintty]

This is some good shit, exactly what I was hoping for with BC games.

I can’t wait to see some new stuff though!

 

[DrumNBassDanTTV]

Thanks for share... I should never play too many hours of Destiny and Destiny 2 if it was like that... weird issue on Xbox versions.

Don't know what you mean as i play ps4 version and its the same

 

[LeftThumbstick]

Watching Xbox Series X previews, nothing but last-gen games being shown...

It’s for BC only, learn to read before commenting.

 

[kuncol02]

The data throughput is weak as fuck. How can the external SSD be close to 100% faster than the internal?

It's limited by external ssd writing speed.

 

[pasterpl]

Lady in the Engadget video said that there is embargo and they are allowed only to speak about things we seen in most videos;

quick resume
console loudness
bc games
controller
load times of these bc games

i am guessing more info will come in the next couple of weeks

 

[sinnergy]

Are you new to listed storage space on boxes? I buy a new PC from Dell. Have 512 GB SSD. Guess what? I don't have full 512GB to use. Not only is there an operating system, but a 512 GB SSD never has 512GB fully available once it is ready to use, even without the OS on it. This is nothing new.

What is installed into the mother board of a XSX is indeed a 1TB SSD. So when it says it has a 1TB SSD, it is a 1TB SSD. OS will take up space. There will need to be room for other features as well, like the quick resume. So having 802 GB of storage, sounds right. That 825 GB SSD on PS5 will have less available storage as well, unless the OS is being stored somewhere else.

I think they might , because PS5 would only have about 600 GB left after all the system stuff . So a nand or something for the OS would be a option . Speed wise it could also boot faster.

Others it would be a pretty small SSD for games .

 

[iJudged]

spit my damn coffee out XD

 

[soulbait]

Lol i know everyones excited but its hard for me to get excited over saving 10 secs of my day due to quicker loading times. And quick resume? Who really changes games more than once or twice a session? Sometimes maybe but usually not.

It appeals to me. I usually do not have 5 games I am toggling between, but 1-3 yeah. Usually 1 big heavy game, and then 1-2 smaller "Session" games (like a single game in NHL or just a quick race in a racing game) having the ability to quickly go into those games while let's say, someone needed a bathroom break while watching a movie in Netflix or they had a phone call so the movie is paused, so I can just hope in quickly, play a little bit of a game, and then go back to the movie, without worrying about my"big game" no longer having its quick resume ready is pretty cool. Sure not everyone will use it that way, but for me it works.

 

[Zathalus]

I think they might , because PS5 would only have 600 GB left after all the system stuff . So a nand or something for the OS would be a option .

Others it would be a pretty small SSD for games .

That might cause issues with the quick resume and switching feature that PS5 is also supposed to have. It would impact performance on the OS heavily as well, I doubt Sony would want that.

 

[Bryank75]

Enjoy your ban

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

Holy shit, that boot sound brings back THX memories, just shorter. I hope they make it a bit quieter.

Sekiro hitting an avg of 59fps is pretty impressive. Going to be interesting to see how PS5 stacks up to that.

Really looking forward to some more BC videos/comparisons.

and mind you that's just BC, imagine a patched version of Sekiro to truly harness Series X, it'd be even better. But yeah it's awesome to see unlocked frame rate games taking advantage of the HP inside Series X.

 

[Great Hair]

It's limited by external ssd writing speed.

true, which sits at 625MB per second aspoitned out by Tripolygon. Edi: gotcha, still though, seems low for an SSD?

 

[John Wick]

Non of the games are Optimized for Xbox Series. That's impressive.

Try playing PC games with a Geforce 970 and then try said games with a 2080ti. Then tell me about the improvements

 

[LeftThumbstick]

Oooops, looks like they don't have that BC working very well.

Jesus Christ, it’s like the existence of Xbox just rattles your cage.

 

[DrumNBassDanTTV]

Just so we're crystal clear is there any next gen games running on the system with these impressions. I really don't want to miss that so if I did, please post a link.

Are any next gen games out yet? didn't think so...

 

[Mattyp]

This is what I've been saying. I can deal with nearly any plausible console width in horizontal mode, it's the height that becomes limiting first. I'm not as convinced as others the X wins on size, it's a very smart design but the tallness would limit me before the PS5's wideness laid flat.

I'm more disgusted by this persons cable management and dust. The PS5 with the stand laying horizontal isn't much thinner.

 

[LordOfChaos]

I'm more disgusted by this persons cable management and dust. The PS5 with the stand laying horizontal isn't much thinner.

Is there a size guide in horizontal orientation out there? Not the first person to mention this, but mentally flipping it and adding the stand doesn't seem to add up to that height

 

[Bryank75]

Jesus Christ, it’s like the existence of Xbox just rattles your cage.

It is more of an annoyance than anything else.

 

[NeonGhost]

I’m excited to see to how the backwards compatibility teams are gonna add the double frame rates and 4k patches on xb1 games

 

[Wildstar75]

Im kind of bummed that games with a locked framerate and resolution get no visual bump other than ML-HDR. I was hoping for a surprise - all backwards compatible games have a DLSS(ML Direct) option. That would be a killer feature. Especially considering there are almost no new exclusive games for the Xbox at launch to care about.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

I don't see anything new from these previews, the console is a big upgrade in terms of features but I want to see Xbox Series X games ...

I am sure the pandemic is to blame for the delay in showing next gen games

 

[soulbait]

These load times look great and impressive. I am looking forward to games loading a lot quicker. When bored and not really wanting to tackle a big, story driven game, in the past I would like to play games like WWE and UFC. Do a few quick matches, kill some time, and then be done. This gen though, I have not done that as much, because the load times between matches just took so much time. A UFC match could be quicker than it took to load in the match if you got a flash KO . So quicker load times along with quick resume is going to be great, especially when I want to have a quick in and quick out experience.

PS fans should be excited too, because their SSD is even faster. Not sure how much quicker they will be overall, but will still be faster. Hopefully PS will do a multigame, quick resume feature as well, but even without it, the quicker load times will benefit us all.

It is a good time to be a console gamer.

 

[Tripolygon]

Are you new to listed storage space on boxes?

I don't care about all that. What is so hard to understand?

They advertise 1TB on the box. I don't expect to have 1TB available, but what is available is 800GB from that 1TB advertised. Is that hard to understand? 200GB is taken after everything is said and done from the useable space, for OS partition, Boot partition and other system functions that need partitioned space away from the available space.

its not that hard to understand what I'm saying. I know there is minutiae to how it works. But for simplification, 1TB advertised, 800GB useable.

This is something I am very much aware of if you want to discuss the technical minutiae of it.

There is a lot of misunderstanding going on here. This is not necessarily directed at you but just general misunderstanding of what all these conversions mean and are. This is the reason why the unit of conversion was set by the IEC.

A Gibi is binary prefix used in computer science and communications it represents 2 to the power of 30 but Giga in decimal system which we use in real life is 10 to the power of 9. That is why all your HDD, SSD, Flash, RAM Bandwidth is represented in the Decimal system because that is what we use.

Storage makers represent Gigabyte as 1 billion bytes and storage is increased in the power of 2 meaning 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128GB.

To convert Gibibyte to Gigabyte, first find how many Gigabytes in a Gibibyte

(2^30/10^9) = 1.073741824GB so there are ~1.074 Gigabytes in 1 Gibibyte

Now lets translate that to PS5 and XSX

To convert Gibibyte to Gigabyte

PS5 = 768Gibibytes multiplied by 1.074 = 825Gigabyte

To convert Gigabyte to Gibibyte

XSX = 1TB = 1024GB = 1/1.074 x 1024 = 953Gibibyte to go back to Gigabyte multiply by 1.074 = 1023.5 = 1TB

This is why when you plug in a 128GB SSD in a computer you see you only have 119GB of storage and not 128GB but beside it you see the number of bytes as 127 billion. This is not accounting for other quirks that has to do with block sizes and how files are stored in each cell and block group.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

Im kind of bummed that games with a locked framerate and resolution get no visual bump other than ML-HDR. I was hoping for a surprise - all backwards compatible games have a DLSS(ML Direct) option. That would be a killer feature. Especially considering there are almost no new exclusive games for the Xbox at launch to care about.

Am sure that all of the big first party backwards compatible games will get a bump in performance but I think its not fair to expect every game to get a bump

 

[DrumNBassDanTTV]

About time The Hate got banned yay

 

[Dr.Morris79]

When are we gonna see the games the backwards compatibility team has worked on ?

 

[Aion002]

That 60 fps on Sekiro is sweet.

Playing Sekiro on PC at 60 fps is almost an entirely new experience from playing on sub 30 fps on PS4. If the PS5 does not improve older Ps4 games like the SX is doing.... I don't even have words to describe how frustrated I will be.

 

[Traxtech]

Hard drive usable size has always been like this, but it's taken the new consoles coming out for people to get really fired up about it? 2020 man..

 

[Jibran#one]

This should come last before the console release tbh , show us the true power of the box show us atleast optimized bc games for series x, show me 120 fps games this a minute less loading here and there is sadly just not enough for a guy with a xbox one x looking to upgrade to either series x or ps5

 

[CeeJay]

Which twitching ADD smack head is bouncing between multiple games at once? The fuq is wrong with you?

Would you rather they said "watch me play this game for 6 hours before I then switch to play something else for a while. Then after that stay on the stream while i turn the console off, go away on holiday for a couple of weeks, come back, switch it on and then fire up a third game that quickly resumes"?

 

[Self]

Control >>> 10 seconds loading.
Holy shit!

 

[INC]

So does it look good xbox fans? Satisfied with what you're seeing?

 

[Tazzu]

This is the first ever generation where despite my backlog, I want to buy the new hardware ASAP.

 

[PSYGN]

I was always curious about Destiny. The slow load times were a turnoff for quick bursts of play.

 

[Ulsterman]

I don't understand Xbox sending out the Series X without any next gen games. I'm not kidding I'd be embarrassed it's becoming a joke this whole series X/s they could have at least had the Dirt 5 demo that codemasters showed on the Series S.