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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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splattered

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TBiddy said:
How?

Let's set up a scenario. Sony allows the DS4 to work for all games, since they enable games to fall-back to legacy rumble if DualSense isn't detected, while presenting a warning to the player "Warning: Legacy controller discovered. Some features may be disabled or downgraded."

It doesn't hurt the games, since they play as-is for those with the next-gen controllers.
It doesn't hurt the devs, since there's no extra work for them.
It doesn't hurt the players, since they can still play their games without shelling out $70 for additional controllers for their buddies.
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The fact that Sony gamers always say "you do understand a controller comes with the system" shows you that they really are a single player gaming household. They are only thinking about themselves and not their friends or siblings etc. I probably have 10-15 controllers in my house amongst different systems so yeah I get wanting to bring controllers forward.
 
Phrixotrichus

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TBiddy said:
How?

Let's set up a scenario. Sony allows the DS4 to work for all games, since they enable games to fall-back to legacy rumble if DualSense isn't detected, while presenting a warning to the player "Warning: Legacy controller discovered. Some features may be disabled or downgraded."

It doesn't hurt the games, since they play as-is for those with the next-gen controllers.
It doesn't hurt the devs, since there's no extra work for them.
It doesn't hurt the players, since they can still play their games without shelling out $70 for additional controllers for their buddies.
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The moment you make a feature optional you condemn it to an existence as an underused gimmick.
Abandoning the old stuff is the only way to ensure that the new stuff is actually used.
 
danielJackson

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splattered said:
The fact that Sony gamers always say "you do understand a controller comes with the system" shows you that they really are a single player gaming household. They are only thinking about themselves and not their friends or siblings etc. I probably have 10-15 controllers in my house amongst different systems so yeah I get wanting to bring controllers forward.
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But where is the limit?

New controller every gen?
Every second gen?
Every third gen?

I get it why it sucks to buy new controllers, but I also get that new gen gives the opportunity to get new features

Or should wii(u) controllers work on every switch game?

Or ps2 controller on PS5

It looks like xbox didn't add anything new so then it is logical to have old ones working too

I have 4 x DS4 and I almost never play local multiplayer games, so single player gamers know the feeling too. (And 30-60 older gen controllers on multiple boxes)

If gen lasts 6-8 years, buying controllers isnt that expensive on total sum, and those siblings/friends can bring/buy their own controller, right?

At least here all console gamers I know have Playstation so it's not an issue because everybody have controllers

DS4s go 25-35€/used now so it's not like they would be that expensive to buy on launch and sell later, just have to be smart and sell them before next gen if they are not needed.

I guess local coop isnt as big thing anymore as it used to be, almost 100% of people I know play online.
 
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KOMANI

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ethomaz said:
I think your view of Spiden-man super hero is a bit confusing because the face he has in the first game never looked like him.

Peter Parker story start at 15 years old, graduate college at 17-18, when his girlfriend dies he has 19-20, when the clone saga ends he has 22.

The game events happens when he is 23 years old.
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how does someone graduate college when they're stil in high school? 🤔
You do know there are two "clone sagas", right? There's the one from the 70s and the one from the 90s.
 
TBiddy

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splattered said:
The fact that Sony gamers always say "you do understand a controller comes with the system" shows you that they really are a single player gaming household. They are only thinking about themselves and not their friends or siblings etc. I probably have 10-15 controllers in my house amongst different systems so yeah I get wanting to bring controllers forward.
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Absolutely. I'd be sad if I had to repurchase 3 new controllers every gen.

Darius87 said:
how so? they still have to program for rumble and also for haptic feedback.
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In this scenario, they'd only need to program for haptic feedback, which some/most would do anyways. Sony would then handle the 'downgrade' to regular rumble automatically, if the game registrered a legacy controller.

Phrixotrichus said:
The moment you make a feature optional you condemn it to an existence as an underused gimmick.
Abandoning the old stuff is the only way to ensure that the new stuff is actually used.
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Do you think support for haptic feedback is a requirement in every single game released for the PS5?
 
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Darius87

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TBiddy said:
In this scenario, they'd only need to program for haptic feedback, which some/most would do anyways. Sony would then handle the 'downgrade' to regular rumble automatically, if the game registrered a legacy controller.
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that's not how it works.
to my knowledge most devs have team of 1-3 programmers for rumble/haptics, don't know really what sony has to do with helping them? and why they should do it in the first place if they want it to support haptics for PS5?
 
Garani

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splattered said:
The fact that Sony gamers always say "you do understand a controller comes with the system" shows you that they really are a single player gaming household. They are only thinking about themselves and not their friends or siblings etc. I probably have 10-15 controllers in my house amongst different systems so yeah I get wanting to bring controllers forward.
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I tell what would happen in my house:

Game A: it uses haptic and feedback. Kid A has the new controller at hand. Kid C has an old PS4 controller. A bloodbath is assured and I, as a parent, would have to take away gaming rights to everyone for a couple of days. Everyone cries and shout.

Please no: same controllers!
 
Ass of Can Whooping

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Garani said:
I tell what would happen in my house:

Game A: it uses haptic and feedback. Kid A has the new controller at hand. Kid C has an old PS4 controller. A bloodbath is assured and I, as a parent, would have to take away gaming rights to everyone for a couple of days. Everyone cries and shout.

Please no: same controllers!
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That's why you get your kids an Xbox

You can't argue about who plays on the game when there are no games to play

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(I jest)
 
TBiddy

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Darius87 said:
that's not how it works.
to my knowledge most devs have team of 1-3 programmers for rumble/haptics, don't know really what sony has to do with helping them? and why they should do it in the first place if they want it to support haptics for PS5?
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Sony could easily create auto-support for legacy controllers if they wanted. I'd imagine you knew that, considering you apparantly know how many people are working on that part of games. If Sony wanted to support older controllers, devs wouldn't have to put any thought to it at all, since it was the OS it self that did the downgrade.

So yes, that is how it works.
 
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Mr Moose

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TBiddy said:
Absolutely. I'd be sad if I had to repurchase 3 new controllers every gen.
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Did you have a 360? If so, how many controllers did you have for it? They don't work on Xbox One.
I wasn't sad my PS3 controllers didn't work on my PS4. They were shit controllers. I don't care that PS4 controllers won't work for PS5 games.
It's great that Series X controller is pretty much just a Xbox One controller with a share button, I guess.
 
TBiddy

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Mr Moose said:
Did you have a 360? If so, how many controllers did you have for it? They don't work on Xbox One.
I wasn't sad my PS3 controllers didn't work on my PS4. They were shit controllers. I don't care that PS4 controllers won't work for PS5 games.
It's great that Series X controller is pretty much just a Xbox One controller with a share button, I guess.
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I did, yes, and I was annoyed that the controllers didn't work on my XB1, since they were fantastic. But I guess the lack of compability isn't an issue if the controllers are "shit", as you put it.
 
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Ass of Can Whooping said:
Couch gaming is a novelty now. It's hardly used anymore and don't pretend otherwise
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Disagree. Local coop which is what I assume you mean by couch gaming is personally a big missing feature. And I hear the same among friends and family. No one wants to carry a system over to someone else's place for a 4 hour gaming session and a beer.
 
Gediminas

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Pete Hines said : when he took Dualsense, he immediately forgot about DS4 and never wanted go back.
that pretty much says everyone.

so let's be dumb and pretend like last generation controller is not "shit". and has all the dualsense features and innovations 🤡 :messenger_tears_of_joy: and that Sony is bad bad boy who want to push innovations and future in it's own products :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
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PSXQ8 said:
For people who want to watch PS5 hands on Japanese Youtube creators.

www.gematsu.com

Japanese YouTube creators go hands-on with PS5 for ‘Try! PS5 on YouTube Gaming Week’ starting October 4

Sony Interactive Entertainment Japan Asia will participate in YouTube Gaming Week Japan with “Try! PlayStation 5 on YouTube Gaming Week,” a series of videos by popular YouTube creators …
www.gematsu.com www.gematsu.com
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Well there it is, first experience of Sony showing the PS5 is through a fucking YouTuber. No thanks
 
MasterCornholio

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VargasPaPuM said:
Looks like sony is giving a F to western. nobody from West have a unit. I wonder why.
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Because they have Series Xs. Microsoft didn't send PS5s to any Japanese if I'm not mistaken. Both companies are trying to avoid comparisons for some reason. It's just my theory BTW but there could be other reasons.
 
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