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Zoro7
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I’m assuming at this point that save transfers from PS4 to PS5 is more difficult to implement than that on Xbox. I think companies have less incentive to do so as they don’t have the same marketing deals with PlayStation. All just assumptions here. Who really knows?
Got that Samsung for my PC but yeah. given that I cant see myself buying enough next-gen games at launch on the ps5, I definitely can wait.
KURDISTAN YPG
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demn souls look great, im finally gon play this game!!!!
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Neko Mimi Mode
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I love the irony of what you had in here pre-edit.
kyliethicc
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Kojima once said that Sony told him Metal Gear Ground Zeroes was too small of a game to get a Platinum trophy. Then there was that shitty troll game called "my name is mayo" that got a platinum trophy because they asked for it.
Sometimes it seems like Sony has dumb inconsistencies and or some devs just don't push hard enough to get what they want from Sony.
There's Miles Morales, where the PS4 save can transfer to PS5. But this Dirt game can't? Makes no sense.
It was like how 505 said they couldn't upgrade people to the PS5 version of Control for free, but then did, then tried to pretend they didn't and undid it. Some of the devs/publishers are full of shit.
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kyliethicc
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yeah we gotta just deal with the 825 for the first year or so until M2 drives get cheaper/available, or just use USB HDDs.
FranXico
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It's like Kojima called them on tuesday, and the other guys on Thursday.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
It's so funny seeing grab and runners do this to only stop by the door when they realise the box is emptyAnd then some idiot robs the store only to find the boxes empty.
Then gets the bright idea to auction them off on ebay.
KURDISTAN YPG
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Mr Moose
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Yeah I can definitely imagine that. Developers already have so little time, so if there is no money involved they will just ignore it probably.
Well, personally I believe that Microsoft was never going to release this game like that, but I also think that the backlash on the footage fast-tracked that decision. It definitely helped Microsoft push to postpone it. Knowing this. I think it's still disingenuous to use that as a XSX benchmark, so if people really want to use it like that, then I'll keep asking for proof on where Microsoft said that this is what it would look like in the final build, and that they wanted to release it like that.
CrysisFreak
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Mate if there wasn't an internet wide outrage caused by Craig they wouldn't have postponed it.
It's all the hate and the memes that forced their hand.
Do you think they're fond of postponing their one big console seller?
Shio
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I don't like what 505 did but just a thought, what if they said they could not upgrade it for free because the save file was not compatible....and even though they made it available, did anyone actually load it up and play to check if it all was ok? , maybe it cost them to make save file changes and that is why the need to charge for it?
Mr Moose
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Halo Community Update - Infinite Inquiries
In the past two weeks we've unveiled Halo Infinite, launched Halo 3 on PC as part of Halo: The Master Chief Collection, helped raise money for a good cause, released tons of Halo gear, and so much more. Since this is a pretty hefty Community Update, let's jump right in!
How much did you expect it to change from then until release until it was moved to next year?
Did you expect it to magically change into a good looking game? Fix the 720p stuff?
Maybe 343i are just a bit incompetent?
Do you think they would show off that gameplay and be then like "Oh don't worry, it won't look like that when released at launch, it'll look much much much better"? No. They were proud of what they showed off.
Lol, so you're asking people for proof but you have none to the contrary? Okay...
I'm sure they showed that footage at their CONSOLE SHOWCASE for a launch game which at the time would be releasing in 4 months for shits and giggles...
Lunatic_Gamer
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Bungie Acquisition Leak
boards.4channel.org
Take it with a grain of salt.
/v/ - Bungie Acquisition - Video Games - 4chan
Bungie Acquisition - "/v/ - Video Games" is 4chan's imageboard dedicated to the discussion of PC and console video games.
boards.4channel.org
Take it with a grain of salt.
JTCx
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Also it was their opening show with 8 minutes of gameplay. Acting like people were going to be blown away and gobble that shit up.Halo Community Update - Infinite Inquiries
In the past two weeks we've unveiled Halo Infinite, launched Halo 3 on PC as part of Halo: The Master Chief Collection, helped raise money for a good cause, released tons of Halo gear, and so much more. Since this is a pretty hefty Community Update, let's jump right in!www.halowaypoint.com
How much did you expect it to change from then until release until it was moved to next year?
Did you expect it to magically change into a good looking game? Fix the 720p stuff?
Maybe 343i are just a bit incompetent?
Do you think they would show off that gameplay and be then like "Oh don't worry, it won't look like that when released at launch, it'll look much much much better"? No. They were proud of what they showed off.
They shouldve just replayed that E3 2018 trailer lmao.
SSfox
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Destruction AllStars PS5 Launch Title to Run at 60 FPS Dynamic 4K Resolution
We can confirm that the PS5 launch title exclusive Destruction AllStars from Lucid Games will run at 60FPS with dynamic 4K resolution.wccftech.com
Glad they're not forcing 4K at all price. And even more glad they're confirming more and more 60 fps games.
Vae_Victis
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If they showed that gameplay, they definitely wanted to see people's response. If they already thought the gameplay looked terrible and the game had to be postponed anyway, they would have said the game was postponed and not published gameplay they already thought would damage the image of the game going forward.
In any case, yes, of course Halo is not indicative of what the XSX can do, it's just indicative of the fact that 343 is a mess right now.
The reason why most people who are dubious about the state of the XSX though do so not because of Halo, but rather the fact that so far Microsoft showed zero gameplay running on the console except for games that could or did easily run on an Xbox One as well, which will of course be pushing the hardware nowhere near its limits. I'm not saying there is a complete catastrophe going on behind the curtains, but if you combine late devkits/issues with first devkits for several developers + work from home + possible unfinished optimization of some APIs (ray tracing seems to stand out there, between The Medium removing the feature from the store page, and Halo before the delay and Devil May Cry announcing they would be patched in later - while on the same DMC they will be there day on on PS5), and you connect all the dots, I don't think it's insane to suggest more than one AAA next gen game is currently running on XSX below what Microsoft expects, and they are hesitant to show it off until the issue is band-aided as much as possible or they just have no other option anymore.
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Mr Moose
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TBiddy
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He's certainly mistaken (and already apologized for it), but it's such an odd decision and one that must be based in cash. Why not allow legacy controllers to be used?
FunkMiller
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Well, at least he clearly declares that he received a free console from Microsoft. Which is better than some of his contemporaries.
However, if we’re ever to trust the opinions of people like this, this freebie shit needs to fucking stop.
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FranXico
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They're trying to force developers to use all the gimmicks in PS5 games.
FranXico
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It goes without saying, it should be obvious it's MS sending the consoles. But it should indeed be communicated transparently.
Mr Moose
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For PS5 games? Because they don't support the DualSense features. It's no different than last gen, you can't use PS3 controllers on PS4s (but you can use PS4 controllers on PS3s).
xHunter
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How is it odd? As far as i know most, if not all, new consoles didnt allow the old controllers to be used. And that is not even that far of a stretch, since the controllers have new features. You couldnt use the 360 controller on the xbox one even though it was almost the same controller with the same tweaks we saw for DS4 vs DS.
I just dont understand this argument. Did you expect your DS4 to work on the PS5 when you bought it 7 years ago?
Bungie Acquisition Leak
/v/ - Bungie Acquisition - Video Games - 4chan
Bungie Acquisition - "/v/ - Video Games" is 4chan's imageboard dedicated to the discussion of PC and console video games.
Take it with a grain of salt.
I hope not, Bungie said after Activision they want to stay independent. Being under someone else has never worked out for them. Under MS they weren't allowed the freedom to make Destiny, arguable the biggest looter on console. Under Activision they were under constant pressure to pump out DLC/sequels. They are better off being independent.
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DrDamn
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Employee Spotlight: Ani Shastry
Ani Shastry shares how his love for stars, science fiction and pixels led him to work for his all-time favorite game franchise.
www.343industries.com
They put a lot of effort into making sure the slice was good to show, so I think you can imply a lot from that in terms of how recent the build was - yes it was representative of where they were and what the launch target was. However to me that also rang a few alarm bells that perhaps they also knew they weren't ready for launch too, so ...
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Like I said, I believe Microsoft would've postponed it anyway, and this just forced them to make that decision more quickly.
The developers never intended to show this footage, this was just the only footage they had. Marketing and Engineering where on different wavelengths, because Marketing kept hyping it up, while engineering knew they couldn't live up to it. Like I said, I don't believe they would release this game looking like that.How much did you expect it to change from then until release until it was moved to next year?Halo Community Update - Infinite Inquiries
In the past two weeks we've unveiled Halo Infinite, launched Halo 3 on PC as part of Halo: The Master Chief Collection, helped raise money for a good cause, released tons of Halo gear, and so much more. Since this is a pretty hefty Community Update, let's jump right in!
Did you expect it to magically change into a good looking game? Fix the 720p stuff?
Maybe 343i are just a bit incompetent?
Do you think they would show off that gameplay and be then like "Oh don't worry, it won't look like that when released at launch, it'll look much much much better"? No. They were proud of what they showed off.
You do understand what "I believe" means, right? This is what I think, I never said that this was a fact. Unlike other people who claim it was going to release like that, even though they have no proof.
The gameplay was great btw, the actual Halo fans liked the gameplay, and the design (more old school Halo). The issue was with the quality of textures and graphics.
On devkit issues, and why Microsoft still hasn't shown anything. I agree, that there might be something, because it's taking them really long. We'll just have to wait.
Mr Moose
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Do you really believe this?
Halo Infinite - Campaign Evolved
Today, I’m thrilled to share the world premiere of Halo Infinite Campaign gameplay with fans around the world. This is the most technically advanced Halo game ever created, paired with the most powerful console on the planet, allowing us to create the most vivid and immersive way to experience...
Studio Head, Chris Lee
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TBiddy
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And while doing that, force their customers to repurchase controllers.
It's still odd. It would take very little effort to create an API that enables developers to discover if the controllers are legacy or not and thus enable advanced features or not.
How does it work with accessories? Guitars, wheels etc.? Do they all need to be repurchased as well for next-gen?
edit: accessories will work, it seems. Makes it even more odd that controllers wont, and it seems like an icecold business decision focused on maximizing profits.
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kyliethicc
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I agree. Let the devs pick whatever res and FPS works best.
Fake 4K, or 1440p / 1800p can still look great, and some games (like Destruction Allstars) should be 60 FPS minimum.
Make the game fun, run solid, look good. Don't just chase a big flashy number like 4K if it hurts the game.
Mr Moose
Member
I think I read some accessories like wheels will work, and fight sticks or whatever they are called. My memory is shit though so could be wrong.
I don't get a new console to use old controllers though, so I am personally fine with old DualShock not working with PS5 games (I have 4).
Surely you understand what I was implying? I will explain it for you... I was pointing out how it's ironic that you're asking people to prove a view they have, which bearing in mind the circumstances, corroborate what they're saying, only because it goes against "what you believe".
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kyliethicc
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Not really. The main issue is rumble vs haptics.
All PS4 games use rumble. Sony didn't force devs to, they all use it cause its useful.
All PS5 games will use haptics (instead of rumble) and so game devs shouldn't have to program their PS5 game for haptics and also for rumble just so some gamers can use DualShock 4s to play PS5 games.
Its actually dev friendly to say make your PS5 game just for the DualSense. They're not forcing devs to use all the extra bits, or making them do extra work by saying make your game work for 2 gens of controllers.
Riky
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That was my impression after watching it, I was actually really pleased they had moved back towards the original game, the actual gameplay looked like classic Halo and that was a good thing. I'm still really looking forward to it.
kyliethicc
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No one wants to play PS4 games with the Sixaxis or DualShock 3. And no one cares that they can't.
Its perfectly normal. New gen, new controller.
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Yeah. That's what has been said afterwards, by insiders to Brad Sams. When studio heads talk that is very much marketing. Just like Todd Howard, Phil Spencer, Jim Ryan, etc. When they speak, it's marketing.Do you really believe this?
Halo Infinite - Campaign Evolved
Today, I’m thrilled to share the world premiere of Halo Infinite Campaign gameplay with fans around the world. This is the most technically advanced Halo game ever created, paired with the most powerful console on the planet, allowing us to create the most vivid and immersive way to experience...
Studio Head, Chris Lee
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You make one wrong assumption. Those weren't "views" of people, they said them as facts. That's the difference.
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SaucyJack
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is this really a big deal? If games are coming out in the launch window are people really going to play on both platform? I mean I had COD Ghosts and AC IV as PS3 titles that were upgraded and only played them on PS4
FranXico
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The feedback API could very easily provide plain rumble if a DS4 is connected instead of a DualSense - this is done at a system level. Zero extra work for the developer who implemented haptics feedback calls.
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This comes from an insider lol so that source is... questionable. And immediately after that sentence, " Of course, this is all rumour for now,".
Conveniently left that bit out to fit your narrative.
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Mr Moose
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That doesn't mean they didn't want to show that footage, they did. The team is probably just incompetent. They've had 5 years and that's what they came up with, I'd blame the studio as a whole.
Snowdonhoffen
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SOCOM? Some Stadia exclusive? New multiplat IP?
Supermassive Games Staffing Up For New Project, Mentions Experience In 'Compelling Real-Time Combat' - PlayStation Universe
The Dark Pictures developer Supermassive Games is staffing up for a new project, and mentions experience in 'compelling real-time combat.'
www.psu.com
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Deleted member 775630
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And you deliberately left out the rest of the sentence? "but Sams paints a pretty consistent and believable picture of 343 Industries as a studio beset with a chronic lack of focus."
Sams who is known to have his inside sources at Microsoft.
I would think engineering didn't want to show this footage, since they knew they couldn't live up to the hype. They let marketing go on for too long, they should've pulled them back a year ago. But oh well, what has happened, happened, and now we can wait for 2021.
TBiddy
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Normal isn't always better. It's awesome that the Xbox controllers will also work next generation. For all those who have special editions, limited editions or even home-designed controllers, the ability to use them for next-gen as well is amazing.
There's a real risk that a lot of PS5 games won't utilize the new gimmicks, thus there would be no need to exclude legacy controllers.
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Deleted member 775630
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It's important for people not buying the PS5 at launch, but later on. Haven't you ever played a game, put it down, and returned to it 6 months later? Going further on wherever you then were in the game?is this really a big deal? If games are coming out in the launch window are people really going to play on both platform? I mean I had COD Ghosts and AC IV as PS3 titles that were upgraded and only played them on PS4
kyliethicc
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We know many games are using the haptics in ways that CANNOT be replicated by a rumble motor.
"Compared to the rumble force feedback we had in the past, the special character of the haptic feedback is that it has a bigger range of frequencies it can produce." - Polyphony Digital
"The haptic feedback, in comparison to the vibration function of previous generations, allows us to utilize a much wider range, starting from a very strong vibration that is much more powerful than before, down to extremely light vibration. This way we can offer players very detailed, “textured” nuances. Because of this, our approach is different – it isn’t a transient or a constant vibration level anymore, it allows us to meticulously adjust the feedback throughout the game." – Kenji Kimura // Director, Ghostwire: Tokyo
You can't take a wider range of feedback and just condense it down to rumble. It'd be shit. And it'd hurt the game design and player experience.
And why would a game dev even bother with such ideas if some gamers won't even feel them? No. The only way to ensure game devs efforts are useful and guaranteed to be the same for all players is to require the new controller.
We have been using the same rumble feedback for over 20 years. Sony (and Nintendo) are trying to replace that with better haptic feedback. I want them to succeed despite Xbox's lagging behind because we need a new, better form of feedback for controllers. Its been 20 years. Devs need more tools to create with. And we deserve better experiences. This is beginning of the next 10-20 years of controller feedback.
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