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[Bo_Hazem]

On a different note, do we think Sony will release some more new information about PS5 today? Bo_Hazem @kyliethicc @Aceofspades

I have no idea, mate. All I know that I just received a confirmation that Oman will introduce 5% VAT in April 2021.

 

[AeneaGames]

The most advanced controller on earth... for the masses. It's quite embarrassing to even mention those "pro/elite" controllers while they're too bland and basic and cost a fortune.

The DS5 looks to be a fantastic controller and I can't wait to get my hands on one (argh, late November/early December for me sadly) but to say what you just did is ehm, very fanboy'ish behaviour. I have followed this thread a long while before I created an account and I don't remember you being so fanboy'ish, you were praising sony a lot, you were very enthusiastic and I liked that but lately you been behaving differently. Is it because of the excessive Xbox fanboy behaviour of others or?

Anyway, xbox controllers aren't bad at all, recently bought one for my pc because my DS4's kept losing the connection, xbox one did the same so got an Xbox wireless adapter and now it's working fine. I still can't get used to the stick placement but they are nice enough.

I do miss back paddles on the DS5 tho. Really bummed they aren't there and that they haven't announced an attachment yet either. I'm going to miss my Scuf controllers, got 3 of those puppies, talk about expensive, lol. It's why I'm bummed that you can't use DS4's with PS5 games, the paddles and me getting those expensive things. I do know I will never do that again tho, sigh.

This is also why I do think the Xbox elite controllers probably aren't that bad either and I wish sony did the same (or an attachment).

Also, the way you worded your post sure will tick off some Xbox fans, not sure why you want to do that. It's the behaviour we disliked I thought?

Sjeesh I'm rambling! Age thing, don't mind me, blame fishy!

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Are you guys claiming screen tearing doesn't exist on Playstation with a straight face?

Never experienced it, but read about it on Xbox One X, at least. Not sure about other XO versions. It's a well-known PC issue though.

 

[Hendrick's]

Never experienced it, but read about it on Xbox One X, at least. Not sure about other XO versions. It's a well-known PC issue though.

If you have never seen it, you aren't sensitive to it. I see it everywhere. Any game with an unlocked framerate will have screen tearing.

 

[AeneaGames]

i swear european countries are like third world countries when it comes to new launches. how hard it could be to give out tickets before the damn store opens. just have people line up and hand out the damn tickets.

this is so fucking stupid lol.

Perhaps they should do the same on black Friday too in your civilised country...

 

[Bo_Hazem]

let see if they can see the screen tearing and the poor resolution.

at 7:07 on the image mode is clearly screen tearing

Yup, you see the tearing here at 7:06-7:07: (on the left, first in a palm tree, second in the lamppost, and this is an empty map!)

 

[Bo_Hazem]

If you have never seen it, you aren't sensitive to it. I see it everywhere. Any game with an unlocked framerate will have screen tearing.

I mean, I believe you need to be an eagle to have better vision than I have.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Don’t even know why they’d want a 120hz mode on either console. It’s gonna look like ass.

Depends on the game. I think it could work for arena shooters, or something like Rocket League

 

[saintjules]

Wow, what a road it's been when you think about it looking back. From Klee's specs sheet talks to Osiris Black's insider rumors, to Craig, Teraflops and the pre-order debacle.

I joined late last year and it's been a fun(ny) experience learning things in this thread. Will be a bit sad when it eventually closes and people go onto other threads.

 

[SlimySnake]

Perhaps they should do the same on black Friday too in your civilised country...

actually they kind of do. bestbuy has a ticket system for all their big items like laptops and tvs. Walmart used to be a bit of a mess,but they started letting people in before the sales started and now you can line up next to the item display and get things without rushing in and trampling people.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Don’t even know why they’d want a 120hz mode on either console. It’s gonna look like ass.

I think it looks pretty good.. and higher framerate decreases input latency.. so the game should feel a bit more responsive.

It's just an option people can ignore; why wouldn't you want options to play with?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Don’t even know why they’d want a 120hz mode on either console. It’s gonna look like ass.

120Hz is ok, you can use it for even 30fps gameplay to enhance input lag. But if it'll introduce screen tearing, then fuck it.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Wow, what a road it's been when you think about it looking back. From Klee's specs sheet talks to Osiris Black's insider rumors, to Craig, Teraflops and the pre-order debacle.

I joined late last year and it's been a fun(ny) experience learning things in this thread. Will be a bit sad when it eventually closes and people go onto other threads.

I do not dislike the XSX design (albeit I would like to remove the stand when it sits horizontally) as it is not comical like the PS5 one (user replaceable plates are a God send at least), but the matte finish does not look great... JPEG artefacts make it look bad and it still gathers quite and bit of fingerprints and dust too. It looks tons better in the original promotional videos, would have liked a better finish :/...

 

[Sinthor]

It still looks way worse than the actual footage in motion. But I'm not worried about the XSX at all, I still expect that 3rd party games will look better on the XSX.

That they are showing this as next-gen footage only has to do with Microsoft buying the marketing rights for this game. So I don't see this as any indicator.

Yeah....yeah. Look, people have claimed online for YEARS that they just care about frame rate, not the graphics (not saying anyone HERE, just in general). So yes, ANY game that gets put out at 120fps, especially early in the generation is going to look rough. Even late into the generation, it won't be close to the 4k@60fps or lower type of games.

We all need to just accept that as fact, because it is. Comparing this game to that game, especially at this 120fps benchmark will just be ridiculous as different games will have to sacrifice different things to reach that mark.

It's impressive regardless that these consoles can even DO 120fps. But don't expect those games to look like Halo or God of War on the other side.

 

[ToadMan]

The future is bright!
@Kingthrash

Dat next gen feel....

 

[reksveks]

Ooh maybe Watch_Dogs, too! I keep getting emails about that game chill, Ubisoft.

Also there will be the xsx updates to FH4, Halo 5 and Gears that they will push one week. So got at least two small marketing pushes in theory.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

I do not dislike the XSX design (albeit I would like to remove the stand when it sits horizontally) as it is not comical like the PS5 one (user replaceable plates are a God send at least), but the matte finish does not look great... JPEG artefacts make it look bad and it still gathers quite and bit of fingerprints and dust too. It looks tons better in the original promotional videos, would have liked a better finish :/...

What finish would you have preferred? I think glossy wouldn't work all around. It's too much. I even dislike it a bit on my Xbox One, and that's only halve the console.

 

[DaGwaphics]

DF did a much better job on this. LOL

At least the target is 60 and it hits it most of the time. The game looks better in their video as well.

 

[Sinthor]

Still too early to be concerned ... Tbh though PS5 could have similar issues to begin with for all we know ... But anyway still this isn't good to see.
I'm suprised Gears 5 isn't compatible yet

Ok, from what I understand, MS does BC by having games in a wrapper that basically makes you end up running each game in a VM on your current hardware, is that correct? If so, not a huge deal, at least technically as it just means they need to update the wrappers or VM's for the XSX. Something that could easily fall behind due to the madness of this year.

So sure, you don't WANT to see issues like this with about a month to go...but I don't see it as a huge issue. If the boxes SHIP and this is how users are running on day one...then we can talk as that's a whole other story!

 

[Bo_Hazem]

The DS5 looks to be a fantastic controller and I can't wait to get my hands on one (argh, late November/early December for me sadly) but to say what you just did is ehm, very fanboy'ish behaviour. I have followed this thread a long while before I created an account and I don't remember you being so fanboy'ish, you were praising sony a lot, you were very enthusiastic and I liked that but lately you been behaving differently. Is it because of the excessive Xbox fanboy behaviour of others or?

Anyway, xbox controllers aren't bad at all, recently bought one for my pc because my DS4's kept losing the connection, xbox one did the same so got an Xbox wireless adapter and now it's working fine. I still can't get used to the stick placement but they are nice enough.

I do miss back paddles on the DS5 tho. Really bummed they aren't there and that they haven't announced an attachment yet either. I'm going to miss my Scuf controllers, got 3 of those puppies, talk about expensive, lol. It's why I'm bummed that you can't use DS4's with PS5 games, the paddles and me getting those expensive things. I do know I will never do that again tho, sigh.

This is also why I do think the Xbox elite controllers probably aren't that bad either and I wish sony did the same (or an attachment).

Also, the way you worded your post sure will tick off some Xbox fans, not sure why you want to do that. It's the behaviour we disliked I thought?

Sjeesh I'm rambling! Age thing, don't mind me, blame fishy!

My post was general, that's why I said Pro/Elite. Take a look at this then:

Please explain this to me.

EDIT: With how DualSense is dense and futuristic, it embarrasses those basic, overpriced controllers.

Sony reveals PS5 accessory pricing, including $70 DualSense controller

Playing with a friend is going to be pricey

www.theverge.com

 

[DaGwaphics]

Yup, you see the tearing here at 7:06-7:07: (on the left, first in a palm tree, second in the lamppost, and this is an empty map!)

To be fair they did say that tearing occurs, every blip in the frame rate counter will cause a tear. But it does look to hit 60 fairly consistently which is good. This might be something I'll check out at some point. If it comes to GamePass or goes on firesale.

 

[Sinthor]

What finish would you have preferred? I think glossy wouldn't work all around. It's too much. I even dislike it a bit on my Xbox One, and that's only halve the console.

I think glossy might have LOOKED better....but that's all subjective. I think basic black like the XSX has is about perfect. Not TOO shiny or showy, but fits in with the other components around the TV. I think they did just fine. The only thing on the XSX I'd quibble about is that stand that you don't seem to be able to remove if you have it on it's side. Looks....odd. But again for me personally, I could care less as all that stuff is under the tv where the components go and I didn't buy my receiver, etc. because of how they LOOK.

I DON'T like the Series S being white. Nor do I like the PS5 being the same. Yeah, they LOOK fine...but that's now. I just keep thinking how dusty and dirty they will look over time as the plastic inevitably darkens and yellows. Same for the DualSense controller. Our hands are OILY and DIRTY. I think custom wraps will be pretty much required to keep your Dual Sense controllers from looking like you are a habitual nose picker after a few months.

But overall just on day one looks, I think all the boxes are just fine and have their own unique looks which is cool.

 

[Agnostic2020]

So from vehicle select till start of race dirt 5 takes 15 seconds on xsx . Maybe velocity architecture didn't get the memo yet

 

[Bo_Hazem]

To be fair they did say that tearing occurs, every blip in the frame rate counter will cause a tear. But it does look to hit 60 fairly consistently which is good. This might be something I'll check out at some point. If it comes to GamePass or goes on firesale.

Yup, didn't talk about framerates. And without RT and severe VRS usage and resolution drops, it's already embarrassing to have some FPS dips in the quality mode.

 

[Riky]

Yup, didn't talk about framerates. And without RT and severe VRS use and resolution drop, it's already embarrassing to have some FPS dips in the quality mode.

They didn't talk about framerates?

Try watching the DF video there is a frame graph on the screen and they talk about it.

 

[Orky]

My post was general, that's why I said Pro/Elite. Take a look at this then:

Please explain this to me.

EDIT: With how DualSense is dense and futuristic, it embarrasses those basic, overpriced controllers.

Sony reveals PS5 accessory pricing, including $70 DualSense controller

Playing with a friend is going to be pricey

www.theverge.com

first of all I would remove that screenshot, because it shows your full name.



Secondly, dont know why or how the dualsense is better than the elite. elite gives you a lot of options, you can exchange everything, and it even has back paddles.

what about dualsense? I dont need a mic, nor a speaker in my controller, because I have a great headset and a 7.1 dolby atmos system.

Also, I don’t need LEDs.

And I don’t need those rumble triggers or haptic feedback, because I turn of vibration anyways.



At least MS gives you a choice, either the standard controller for all games, or the elite if you need more.

 

[Bojanglez]

Me watching a video of a game: Looks pretty good, and fun.

The internet watching a video of a game: OMG pause here and zoom on the background, TERRIBLE GRAPHICS!

You can probably blame Digital Foundry for this trend. The fact that MS has courted DF so closely in the lead up to XSX launch seemed to imply that they were so confident in their console that they are happy for such scrutiny.

I agree though, a game looking/being fun appeals to me more than the number of pixels natively rendered.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

first of all I would remove that screenshot, because it shows your full name.



Secondly, dont know why or how the dualsense is better than the elite. elite gives you a lot of options, you can exchange everything, and it even has back paddles.

what about dualsense? I dont need a mic, nor a speaker in my controller, because I have a great headset and a 7.1 dolby atmos system.

Also, I don’t need LEDs.

And I don’t need those rumble triggers or haptic feedback, because I turn of vibration anyways.



At least MS gives you a choice, either the standard controller for all games, or the elite if you need more.

No one would travel to kill me because I love PlayStation. I can give you my exact location if you're interested though.

All what you said doesn't really justify the insultingly high pricetag. It's lacking a lot in terms of features as well. So no, MS doesn't give you the choice, selling a controller $100 more than Xbox Series S is just insane. I thought Astro C40 was too expensive first!

They didn't talk about framerates?

Try watching the DF video there is a frame graph on the screen and they talk about it.

I didn't talk about FPS. And it actually drops closer to 55fps in the Quality Mode that looks like an ass.

EDIT: Asses look good, it looks like shit.

 

[IntentionalPun]

You can probably blame Digital Foundry for this trend. The fact that MS has courted DF so closely in the lead up to XSX launch seemed to imply that they were so confident in their console that they are happy for such scrutiny.

I agree though, a game looking/being fun appeals to me more than the number of pixels natively rendered.

I care about graphics to some extent; but it's more about how something looks in motion... and really performance and lack of glitchiness > anything else.

Stuff like screen tearing for instance drives me nuts; but the whole "zoom on the corner of the screen" thing kinda kills me lol

 

[Sinthor]

You can start by saying where I was wrong. Seriously. There were 3 points the tweet made, I said why they were bs, so feel free to call me out on my bs. What did I say that was so wrong on all of those points?


Not sure how the new OS will handle quick resume if there is an update. I'm also not 100% sure if the game was already in a quick resume state.

AHA! That's actually a very good point. For both PS5 and XSX (I'm assuming PS5 does the same with quick resume but that may be incorrect). How DO the systems handle it if there's an update for the game you have in a quick resume state? I'd IMAGINE that you'd get a message when you go to resume them that there's an update and you need to apply it before you can use "network features," and things like that. Kind of like the message you get today when you try to run a game that there's an update for?

But that could easily have been the source of the crashes in this video, I'd say especially since when they went back to State of Decay it said there was an update for the game. So it's possible that we saw the general behavior without a message...but I'd think that for final release there would be a message rather than the system crashing back to the dashboard. We'll see.

Will be fascinating to see how this all is handled at launch date since the way things are going, I'd say it's unlikely that we get clarification or videos from EITHER Microsoft or Sony before the launch date folks have their hardware in hand.

And on that note...how likely does anyone thing it is that the launch dates are broken by people receiving equipment early, even if it's by a day or so?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

GT Sport on PS4 Pro, 1440p@60fps (checkerboarded to 4K)

Dirt 5 on Xbox Series X, Quality mode "Dynamic" 4K@60fps

 

[Riky]

first of all I would remove that screenshot, because it shows your full name.



Secondly, dont know why or how the dualsense is better than the elite. elite gives you a lot of options, you can exchange everything, and it even has back paddles.

what about dualsense? I dont need a mic, nor a speaker in my controller, because I have a great headset and a 7.1 dolby atmos system.

Also, I don’t need LEDs.

And I don’t need those rumble triggers or haptic feedback, because I turn of vibration anyways.



At least MS gives you a choice, either the standard controller for all games, or the elite if you need more.

Exactly, Elite series 2 destroys any pad shipped with a console. You can even adjust the stick tension.

 

[AeneaGames]

Redgamingtech will have a video up today to tackle the PS5 die size that's being questioned recently... Should be interesting.

Not really since he will make a lot of assumptions and guesses. Unless he had an interview with Cerny it will be a waste of time to me...

 

[Riky]

GT Sport on PS4 Pro, 1440p@60fps

Dirt 5 on Xbox Series X, Quality mode "Dynamic" 4K@60fps

Means nothing.

Forza 7 looks better than Dirt 5, so does Forza Horizon 4.

 

[thurnishaleygw]

a 7.1 dolby atmos system.

I'm guessing you mean a 7.1.2 or 7.1.4. No such thing as 7.1 on Atmos.

(Sorry if I appear as nitpicky, I know I can be a bit inquisitive with audio related stuff)

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

GT Sport on PS4 Pro, 1440p@60fps

Dirt 5 on Xbox Series X, Quality mode "Dynamic" 4K@60fps

Early preview of Dirt doesn't look like, or have anywhere near the budget of, GT. Shocker.

Are you just salty because it's not on PS5 at launch and it's yet another game that won't have transferred saves from PS4?

 

[DaGwaphics]

I didn't talk about FPS. And it actually drops closer to 55-50fps in the Quality Mode that looks like an ass.

Dude, there is no need to lie, Quality mode still sits at 60fps most of the time, just the dips are a bit more severe. The frame counter is literally in the video.

 

[Riky]

No one would travel to kill me because I love PlayStation. I can give you my exact location if you're interested though.

All what you said doesn't really justify the insultingly high pricetag. It's lacking a lot in terms of features as well. So no, MS doesn't give you the choice, selling a controller $100 more than Xbox Series S is just insane. I thought Astro C40 was too expensive first!



I didn't talk about FPS. And it actually drops closer to 55-50fps in the Quality Mode that looks like an ass.

EDIT: Asses look good, it looks like shit.

It's not £100 more than a Series S you fool. The one you pictured is modded, it's in the description if you read your own post.

Here in the UK the Series S is £249 and the Series 2 controller is £159. Do your homework before you post.

Also Dirt 5 framerate had one slight dip to 54fps, at 4k. It is not finished, it's nearly locked 60fps already.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Early preview of Dirt doesn't look like, or have anywhere near the budget of, GT. Shocker.

Are you just salty because it's not on PS5 at launch and it's yet another game that won't have transferred saves from PS4?

When is Dirt 5 coming out for the PS5? I always thought the PS5 version would be available with the systems launch.

 

[martino]

Never experienced it, but read about it on Xbox One X, at least. Not sure about other XO versions. It's a well-known PC issue though.

my dear and bad faith

 

[AeneaGames]

Good to know... I still have the demo in my PS4.

Not to be a downer but PT not being on the list of games that do not work does not mean that it does....

How so? It's not a game that is available to get so it won't have been tested nor would it have been a priority to even try...

 

[DaGwaphics]

Means nothing.

Forza 7 looks better than Dirt 5, so does Forza Horizon 4.

Plus, if tearing occurs only occasionally, obviously you can choose to compare a shot with or without it. I think Bo uses a different shot if this was on PS5.

 

[Lysandros]

That's need to be posted in the meme thread, lol.

Maybe they didn't enjoy the race and just left. It's easy to blame 120 FPS.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

GT Sport on PS4 Pro, 1440p@60fps (checkerboarded to 4K)

Dirt 5 on Xbox Series X, Quality mode "Dynamic" 4K@60fps

 

[Antelope]

Dog piling on Dirt 5 for less than spectacular graphics misses the point IMO.

What’s baffling is why MS can’t find a showcase game to feature alongside their new console. Their hardware looks solid, but the marketing plan was Halo. I don’t understand why they didn’t have a plan B for next gen games.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Dude, there is no need to lie, Quality mode still sits at 60fps most of the time, just the dips are a bit more severe. The frame counter is literally in the video.

Did I say It's always dipping? The fact that it dips after compensating to 1800p, VRS selective resolution drop even more, and no raytracing is just embarrassing.

 

[MasterCornholio]

All this FUD from Xbox gamers ,ban them all. Xbox users are shamelessly spreading FUD about Xbox. Report them!!!

Xbox are shambles.They don't understand product rollout. Trying so hard to be loved & liked they are damaging their product roll out. There's no quality control. The product is getting reputation damaged each announcement because of retarded marketing of TFlops & power. Now everytime its a fucking meme & banta.

Whats all this running to social media ,try get fake likes. This shit goofy as fuck. Who is allowing this in HQ. Elite company's don't market products like this. This is sloppy.Now you got youtubers making your product look bad. Don't release cheap,shitty teardown video rollouts & show products not ready. Makes the brand look bad.



That is why Sony don't send stuff out that is not ready. And control their own product. As for XSX man oh man you ain't getting next game games. Expect downgraded pc versions of ports.At this rate there's going to be a new X device in 2-3 years.

You need to calm down a bit.

 

[Riky]

Did I say It's always dipping? The fact that it dips after compensating to 1800p, VRS selective resolution drop even more, and no raytracing is just embarrassing.

I'd wait until you see the PS5 version, save you embarrassing yourself further.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

When is Dirt 5 coming out for the PS5? I always thought the PS5 version would be available with the systems launch.

Nope

Dirt 5 next gen upgrades may miss PS5 launch, saves won't transfer from PS4 version

Xbox Series S/X next gen upgrades still on launch day, and saves will transfer from Xbone through Smart Delivery.

www.neogaf.com

 

[Dodkrake]

Early preview of Dirt doesn't look like, or have anywhere near the budget of, GT. Shocker.

Are you just salty because it's not on PS5 at launch and it's yet another game that won't have transferred saves from PS4?

Well, I for one will assume that you know what the budget for Dirt 5 and GT Sport is, correct? Absolute statements require irrefutable proof, so please provide proof for those same statements.