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DF PS5 analysis (prepare to be uninterested)
- Thread starter Rean no Kiseki
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NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
So people complain they don't do a video and then complain about the one they do, lol. Maybe the problem isn't DF.
Senua
Member
I'm sure if he would be allowed a break lol. I mean he prob needs one after all that emotion damage, getting sent "YOU SUCK A FAT ONE PS5 IS GOD U ARE GAY LOL".
Faithless83
Banned
He brings weird points of comparison and omits others like the SSD on XSX also being soldered in the main board but hints as a concern on PS5. Same as the NVME port.
The Wifi 6 could be used for wireless VR headset. They are tech savvy enough to drawn the line, Sony already has VR and is likely working towards an improved version of it.
How relevant to the teardown is the comparison on how both companies are communicating information?
Weird video.
The Wifi 6 could be used for wireless VR headset. They are tech savvy enough to drawn the line, Sony already has VR and is likely working towards an improved version of it.
How relevant to the teardown is the comparison on how both companies are communicating information?
Weird video.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
You sure about that? I"m pretty sure even looking at how you spelled his name that people are getting wound up over nothing. He didn't insult the PlayStation brand or you personally yet so many are clearly personally insulted. He just didn't find the teardown video interesting that is not something to get bent out of shape over. He has an opinion and you have yours.
It has not been proven that the XSX SSD is soldered to the board. Check this video.
We'll have to wait to see the teardown of a retail unit to know for sure.
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Faithless83
Banned
Isn't that the opposite of what DF was pointing? About "how clear MS was being on their message" and even let them assemble the console themselves? How come it wasn't still clear? If it was detacheable, based on how MS is being "loud" while announcing the console's features, they would have said so in the DF XSX teardown.
TheAmazingSpiderMan
Member
Lol I said this on the other thread where there was complaints about DF not covering it, we already had a proper in-depth breakdown component by component by a Sony engineer and there’s nothing DF can bring apart from going over what has already been communicated to us
it was an uninteresting video but what did people expect? We already know what he’s gone over
it was an uninteresting video but what did people expect? We already know what he’s gone over
reinking
Gold Member
AT the end of the video he basically says they do not have a PS5 so it is not because of some shadowy NDA that they are missing details. I am sure he is tryin to cover his bases because of the conspiracies that have been flying around about their bias and being in bed with MS.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
I agree. If you look at the square mm of the xsx vs the ps5, it's a considerable difference. Almost all of the ps5 (and its a big bugger as well) is vents in or out. The xsx is forced through, as you say, smaller, almost non existent channels.
To compensate, the xsx fans must be running at a higher speed/pressure to get the air in and out of the system. It doesn't surprise me that there are reports of the xsx chucking out red hot air.
I wonder how much the variable clocks in the PS5 affect the heat output of the unit? If the xsx has 56 (52?) compute units running at 100% regardless of load, vs the ps5 varying the workload over smaller amount of CUs, this could have a game changing impact on heat output. It could mean that the xsx runs as hot in the menu, as it does when running a cutting edge game.
All theoretical until we see retail units in the hands of reviewers and us
JimboJones
Member
He said there was no shadowy NDA in effect.
I’m sure John doesn’t read this but here goes, when you’re in the raw analysis game there wasn’t any great amount of hate, you were being objective and telling us what was literally what, DF turned into a speculative clickbait shitshow with too much theoretical nonsense. John has also been jumping at shadows with his “no RT” tweet. You see the latter realm that DF dived into is trolled and inhabited by the dreggs of YouTube, those channels have armies of people at the ready to counter troll you to keep their senpai‘s in clickbizz. It takes thicker skin to be in the. “We’re talking out of our asshole’s“ clickbait videos.
This is all further proof that DF needs to STOP posting every single day/week and return to forum of posting strictly analytical videos, yea there are less clicks, but you won’t get as much/any hate.
FunkMiller
Member
Almost the first thing out of Richard’s lips is that it’s not satisfactory that Sony haven’t provided them with a box to tear down.
At least he’s honest.
At least he’s honest.
MasterCornholio
Member
Honestly that will get proven with their multiplat comparisons. If they look at things objectively and highlight the advantages of each system then no one should call them bias. But if they try to hide the advantages and spin the disadvantages then that could be a good topic for discussion.
I'm just waiting to see how they treat both systems once they have them.
Lol i love this response to downplay just about any criticism someone could have of something. Is it wrong to expect some better professional analysis from the most popular tech analysis channel on Youtube? Everything he talked about was points to compare between XSX and PS5 and hardly touched on any specific PS5 features such as Wifi 6 and Superspeed USB, but of course had to mention the all important Xbox marketing tweet because....?
DF need to be called out when they do this shit because they are the ones who are being burdened with delivering the best information possible to their audience, and they are not.
alstrike
Member
To be fair John has dealt with depression in the past so I can't blame him if he feels this way.
Handy Fake
Member
One is hardly exclusive to the other, chief.
Senua
Member
Who hasn't. If it's that severe and he can't cope with teenagers calling him gay then maybe he needs a new line of work! Mental health first eh?
MasterCornholio
Member
People with depression have vastly different tolerance levels. Some really bad cases will lead to suicide over things that people say over social media. The incident with Zoe Quinn is proof that things like that can happen. Which is why we need to be delicate with those who suffer from those illnesses.
FrankWza
Member
it was alluding to why they couldn’t or didn’t comment until now in ps5. It’s about 16:10. Towards the end. He said it’s not because of a shadowy NDA but because they don’t actually have it in house.
Yeah. This goes back to the last thread that was closed. Beavis ^^^ was involved in some discussion on that and I believe at one point I was too. Point is, it was mentioned.
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Entroyp
Member
Oh man, that’s sad to hear. Hopefully he can muster the strength he needs to ignore all the a-holes out there on the inet.
MasterCornholio
Member
So much gets said here that I can't keep track of it all. But thanks for the clarification.
alstrike
Member
That's the problem, he shouldn't have to.
JimboJones
Member
I think it was mentioned because some people might think they have (or had access) PS5 units and aren't allowed to talk about them when in fact they genuinely don't have a unit.
Remember they where under NDA for the Series s for months.
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Senua
Member
It's the internet, it's going to happen and it happens to everyone. Most of us laugh it off because we're grown arse men with gonads
PropellerEar
Member
Pretty much what I expected, decent analysis video on the tear-down.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
he just said there were no shadowy NDA's not that there was any. so basically niether company has them
alstrike
Member
That's the most idiotic thing I've read all day, and believe me the guys running my country are pretty fucking stupid.
You sure you can't do better than that?
Bladed Thesis
Member
I don't get them making this video at all.
They said themselves, making a video commenting on a breakdown would be uninteresting compared to breaking down the technology themselves. And I agree with them.
So I don't understand making the video besides a few comments here or there. And of course any breakdown video that comes second is going to feature comparisons to the previous (competition's) video. This is a generation and the two are linked by that at least. I'd expect the same if Sony released a breakdown video first and XSX did theirs second. It's only natural to compare so different approaches to a linked generation imo.
They said themselves, making a video commenting on a breakdown would be uninteresting compared to breaking down the technology themselves. And I agree with them.
So I don't understand making the video besides a few comments here or there. And of course any breakdown video that comes second is going to feature comparisons to the previous (competition's) video. This is a generation and the two are linked by that at least. I'd expect the same if Sony released a breakdown video first and XSX did theirs second. It's only natural to compare so different approaches to a linked generation imo.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
It went about as I expected
Show off the XSX teardown they did
Call Sony a simpler and cheaper design
Take a shot at Sony for having a soldered SSD on the motherboard
Well done DF
Show off the XSX teardown they did
Call Sony a simpler and cheaper design
Take a shot at Sony for having a soldered SSD on the motherboard
Well done DF
Senua
Member
That's actually the best I have to offer, gave it my all
FrankWza
Member
To me, there’s no way you can watch that video and say he’s split down the middle. It’s pretty clear in some of the comments that he is not happy that they don’t have a console to teardown or test. He also left out the USB ports being 10gbps vs x’s 5 and completely downplayed WiFi 6 limiting its benefits to just network throughput and called out the SSD’s theoretical 5.5 gbps number like it’s a negative when it’s more than 2 times the speed of x’s and he only spoke of it in terms of storage which is pretty ridiculous. But, we’ll see...
It’s theoretical the SSD speed , unless DF has both a PS5 and series X to test games ... so yeah .
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I honestly don't recall how Xbox did their internal SSD
It looked like some m2 casing attached to the PCB.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
I got from the DF video that the PS5 SSD was definitely soldered to the board. Perhaps because they were in the room with the engineers that designed the XSX the topic of soldered SSDs didn't come up because there were so many other topics they could touch. Also at the time they didn't know ANYTHING about the PS5's internal design. It's possible both have soldered SSDs but at this point it is only certain PS5 does.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Thank you
Handy Fake
Member
I don't think anyone knows, it was obscured by the casing from what I remember.
FrankWza
Member
Yeah no problem. I remember that the other day and I thought of your posts. There’s a good chance they were read and that’s why he mentioned it.
I mean, to throw in shadowy? That kind of implies that he’s at least aware they may have been accused of a bias. Hes not Ethan Hunt. He still felt the need to do the video a week later.
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Handy Fake
Member
There's an argument that having it soldered to the MB reduces latency. How true that is I don't know.
Microsoft Details Xbox Series X Velocity Architecture For Hyperfast I/O Performance
Storage is a bottleneck in current-gen consoles, but could be a defining high-point in gameplay experiences in the Xbox Series X.
FrankWza
Member
The context. He’s applying it to SSD in a classic HD -sense. That’s not what they’re going for with PS5 and he knows it. We already know it’s crazy fast loading. It’s built into the system architecture and is being used to offset needs of the rest of the components.
Don't think that has ever been true on laptops, only makes it thinner really.
Agnostic2020
Member
I love the part they compared everything with xsx and when it came time for WiFi 6 , they just said who really has router WiFi 6 and didn't mention xsx WiFi 5
MiguelItUp
Member
I think they did a great job here considering they don't have a physical one themselves. I'd imagine it'd be hard to make a valid comparison when you have one console and not the other. Also, I saw someone mentioning the magnitude of XSX references in it, but, how can you blame him/them? They have a physical XSX, not to mention they're supposed to be comparing the two. I would imagine there'd be a stronger feeling of confidence regarding the console you can physically interact with, as opposed to the one you can only absorb media of.
Really looking forward to them getting into the PS5's nitty gritty when they can actually get one themselves. I think it's pretty silly that XSX consoles are all over the place and PS5s, not so much.
Really looking forward to them getting into the PS5's nitty gritty when they can actually get one themselves. I think it's pretty silly that XSX consoles are all over the place and PS5s, not so much.
Handy Fake
Member
True true. Although it may be part of the new architecture I suppose. Still, no doubt we'll have a proper look when AMD NDA is up.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Microsoft Details Xbox Series X Velocity Architecture For Hyperfast I/O Performance
Storage is a bottleneck in current-gen consoles, but could be a defining high-point in gameplay experiences in the Xbox Series X.amp.hothardware.com
Very cool thank you.
That image does suggest the internal can possibly be changed out