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Xbox Series X and S render their home UIs in 1080p, SDR
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01011001
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they didn't reduce the OS footprint they added DDR3 ram to offset part of the OS onto there
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alabtrosMyster
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They would not say that kind of thing, even if it was true (I don't think it will change, but I have no idea if it's true or not).
AgentP
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Memory saving? 4k 32bit with 4 buffers is only 126MB. Maybe they have to load up something else? I know, it's based on Windows, so it takes 1GB for crap.
Also, I doubt they are allocating the slow portion of the XBSX GDDR for games, why would they cut the bandwidth then?
Also, I doubt they are allocating the slow portion of the XBSX GDDR for games, why would they cut the bandwidth then?
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alucard0712_rus
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If I was Xbox owner I don't mind if its UI is 1080p. And I am graphics/technology/gadget guy.
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FunkMiller
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The human psychology going on in this thread is remarkable.
Thought experiment for some of you:
If you’d read that the Ps5 UI was 1080p, what would your honest reaction have been?
I still have a pre order offer for a Series X, but I really don’t want a muddy 1080p UI on my brand new TV. Why the hell have they done it? This is the most powerful console in the world, right?
Thought experiment for some of you:
If you’d read that the Ps5 UI was 1080p, what would your honest reaction have been?
I still have a pre order offer for a Series X, but I really don’t want a muddy 1080p UI on my brand new TV. Why the hell have they done it? This is the most powerful console in the world, right?
whitesugar
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power your dreams
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The PS4 Pros solution is to add some slow DRAM so the 4K UI doesn't eat into the GDDR pool. Best of all worlds solution imo.
PS4 Pro’s additional RAM frees up memory for game developers
New RAM used for noncritical appswww.polygon.com
So it looks like they added 1 GB of slower RAM for a total of 9 GB of RAM, but then gave back 0.5 GB of faster ram to developers for games.
That means the PS4 had 3GB of RAM allocated for the OS and the Pro had 3.5 GB. Cerny says most of the extra ram is being used for a 4k UI. This mean we are looking at 0.5 GB on the PS5 as well. I expect the PS5 OS footprint to be 3 GB compared to the 2.5 GB of the Xbox OS.
Kuranghi
Member
I like when people tell me they run their Windows 10 in HDR mode all the time. I like it because then I can disregard what they say about SDR/HDR/colour after that without having to worry:
I jest of course, but I still think its weird/stupid and probably causes innumerable problems on top of everything looking awful because it wasn't made to be displayed in HDR.
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oldergamer
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It's the usual suspects in a thread like this. Concern thread number #76. I don't know why we would need a 4K UI, its unnecessary. Keep it small and fast.
Neko Mimi Mode
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It's not final, and will be updated before launch. It's very likely it's just using the X1X UI until then.
Speaking of which, the PS4Pro has a 4k UI, but the X1X is the most powerful console in the world. It really has no correlation.
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DunDunDunpachi
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Seems like an easy fix for something Microsoft will update seven times during the lifespan of the system.
FunkMiller
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FunkMiller
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I’m not concerned. I’m moving away from the idea of buying one. Not enough to persuade me to drop the cash. DiRT, Yakuza, now this? Meh. No concern here, only disappointment.
Aceofspades
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720p on a 720p screen
LordOfChaos
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Unless the PS5 uses the same trick as the Pro with a bit of slow DRAM meaning the UI doesn't take away from the GDDR, which would bring them to even. The Xbox One base model already had 3GB for the OS reservation, unless I misunderstood how these totals came about.
Aceofspades
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Even over HDMI, it outputs 1080p but the UI is still 720p upscaled.
Kuranghi
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My flatmate has had a 4K TVs for 5 years and he still runs his desktop at 1080p:
In fact he runs most games at 1080p60 or 4K30 because he can't be bothered to buy a display port to hdmi adapter from amazon.
I am on 65" TV but I sit 8 feet away so I share your despair when people say things like "There's barely a difference between 1080p and 4K anyway":
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Neko Mimi Mode
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LordOfChaos
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Some portion of 1GB that was reserved for the UI was given back in the One X days by moving back to 1080p, and the PS4 Pro UI used about 512MB to output its UI in 4K. So it's about half a gig I recon.
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FunkMiller
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Neko Mimi Mode
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Why yes, a guy who has a preview Series X probably knows what Microsoft have told people who have the preview Series X
Thirty7ven
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Make it 480p then if it’s such a big deal with the Ram. Lol
AgentP
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Why are you trying to reverse engineer it? They have 10GB of the high bandwidth GDDR memory, leaving 6GB of slow stuff, why else have two different pools (so to speak)?
LordOfChaos
Member
You think a 12Tflop GPU console with 8 Zen 2 cores would run slower because of its 4K UI? It shouldn't, it just seems like preferring to give developers that half gig of RAM or so.
Neofire
Member
Louder for the people that were complaining about taking one screw out to put in an SSD drive lol.
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DarkMage619
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If the GAMES run at 4k why would you care? I would totally understand if the XSX couldn't run 4k games.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Phil should ask the backwards compat team to make their UI 4K
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Ceadeus
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I'm no expert but I would think so? If they can ever manage to make it 4K and keep it snappy, then it's even better. One way or another, there has to be a technical reason they went that route.
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vpance
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Worth the usage I think. They're already going to be behind PS5 memory available for games anyways.
Having to use a blurry UI would be annoying af. Could never get used to that.
alucard0712_rus
Member
Why it has something to do with RAM? It's icons and they are compressed, it's not like it will use 8 times more RAM.
Hawking Radiation
Member
LOL Come on Bro, you KNOW what this thread would have looked like if this had been PS5 UI in 1080p.
I don't want 1080p anywhere near my next gen console even if its the UI.
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FunkMiller
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I'm lucky enough to have an LG CX. 1080p looks like ass on it. And I'm assuming that all the apps will be in 1080p, and I use quite a few apps.
FunkMiller
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Yes, I do. Any everyone replying to my post is consciously avoiding answering the question.
Nikana
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No reason to think this.
Eternal21
Member
Exactly. If you want a 4K UI buy a PS5 (or PS4 Pro).
FunkMiller
Member
A 1080p UI will have 1080p apps, will it not?
Regardless, I just don't want a muddy screen to look at at any point.
Agnostic2020
Member
Maybe they will update it for retail unit to 4k ? Its 2020. 4k is kinda given
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Negative. The app can render at whatever it wants. its not dictated by the display resolution of the front end UI.
LordOfChaos
Member
It's not the icons, it's the framebuffer. 4K 60 times a second is 497 million pixels a second. Then there's probably some sort of double or triple buffering to keep it smooth and tear free.
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martino
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i am not doing fud ! (bold1)
i am not doing overdrama (bold2)
i am not a fanboy ! just a concerned fan !
trust me dude....
seriously even xbox one s has 4k app (it reads uhd blu ray and is a very good media center, my bro use the console only for that)
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