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sircaw
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FunkMiller
Gold Member
I love how people on both sides of this argument make these definite proclamations, like they have any idea what Microsoft will actually do in two or three years.
Bethesda’s exclusivity will be all determined on market forces, and no matter what you want to believe, that’s the only actual truth here.
Anyone saying that their games definitely will come to PlayStation is wrong, and anyone saying that the definitely won’t is wrong too. Either is a possibility, depending on where Xbox stands over the coming few years.
Phil Spencer is actually being very savvy in not definitively stating Microsoft’s attitude to ongoing exclusivity (in general, and specifically to Bethesda), because he’s smart enough to know how things can change, depending on how sales go, and where the lie of the land is.
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sircaw
Banned
I can def tell you know it's not coming to that new Atari Box, yer owned Biach, peace hugs.
Killer Sakoman
Member
They need to make sure the deal goes well before they start talking. Sometimes these big deals don't go through.
Once the deal closes, they well state their plans clearly.
MasterCornholio
Member
I'm pretty sure that Microsoft wants to fuel gamepass with Zenimax studios content however they can also make alot of money by selling Zenimax games on other platforms.
I guess it really depends on what their objectives are as they can change depending on what happens in the market.
Empire Strikes Back
Member
Do you realize the difference between PS4 Pro and X1X is bigger than between PS5 and XSX, right?As per PUBG themselves, XSX version will run at 60fps while PS5 will run up to 60fps. Looks like in real world tests of other games specially open world one's XSX will hold it's fps.
https://www.pubg.com/2020/10/26/pubg-on-xbox-series-x-s-and-playstation-5/
C'mon man, you can do better.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
MS has been in the console business for almost 20 years. Outside of specific circumstances how many 1st party titles have they put on PlayStation? Halo, Forza, Gears? What about smaller titles like Banjo or Viva Pinanta? During those 20 years MS lost every single console sales competition with Sony. Xbox was beat by PS2. Xbox 360 was beat by PS3 worldwide. XB1 was beat by PS4. All of those losses and they didn't put Halo on PlayStation. The market forces said that Sony has a stronger brand but putting 1st party games on PlayStation was not an option. But NOW with this 1st party studio acquisition PlayStation is getting MS first parties right? Due to market forces? I believe that claim is dubious.
devilNprada
Member
Let's see at least one AAA game get released day one on game pass first, then I may buy into their grand plans......
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Pantz
Member
Yep, in case they delist games you can still play them on disc.
saintjules
Member
RaZoR No1
Member
Well IMO it won't be that typical graphical jump we expect from a new Gen, thanks to the mid Gen updates...
To compare the Gen advancement we should probably compare the base consoles (Xbone OG => XSS/XSX and PS4 non pro with PS5)
jasondefaoite
Member
Plans can go wrong regardless the size of the deal and can change course. Take Nokia’s acquisition for example. I’d argue they spend a large chunk of change and then sat around wondering what to do.
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FunkMiller
Gold Member
If Sony were the only potential competition going forward, and if things were just going to be about consoles, I’d agree with you, but we‘re on the cusp of cloud gaming, and gaming heading the same way as movies and TV with subscription based services. Things could potentially change a great deal going forward, and it’s wise of Msft to reserve any hard decisions about exclusivity at this time.
...also, aside from all that, if PlayStation vastly outsells Xbox this gen, that’ll be two gens in a row, and Msft shareholders will want to wring as much cash out of the Zenimax deal as possible if they don’t think the hardware business is profitable long term. They don’t care about console exclusivity, just cash.
tl:dr - there could be a lot of instability and change in the video games industry in the next few years, hence why it’s impossible to say for definite what Msft will do.
When that guy said that Dirt5 gameplay with huuuuge screen-tearing looks phenomenal I was like "Wow", he's saying what he must say.
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Snowdonhoffen
Member
As I said before:
New Bethesda IP's = Xbox Exclusive
Existing IP's = Most likely will remain multiplatform
I just don't see games like The Evil Within 3 or Dishonored 3 selling big numbers if they make them Xbox exclusives.
Empire Strikes Back
Member
Great news! It’s a MP game and there’s no better debut than PS Plus... Should have been the same for Predator, maybe Sony learned the lesson.
RaZoR No1
Member
MS will very likely loose in the sales, but it isn't that important for them anymore. They build the Xbox Platform and this can be played on Mobile, every PC with Win 10 and Xbox Consoles and there are even rumors about a small TV stick just to play Gamepass games. Currently you can even do it on a Fire TV or Chromecast.
With Gamepass they just expanded their potential customer extremely.
As long their plan with the subs is working, everything will be fine for them..
I could even imagine Gamepass on PS or switch, as long you are subbed to GPU, you can stream it everywhere.
Only limitation? You have to play it on the Xbox Platform/Service and pay for the subs.
Therefore they are not that much depended on the console sales anymore.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Who is MS's competition in the cloud gaming or gaming service space? Sony is not beating Game Pass and neither is Amazon or Google. MS is leading in those spaces. I don't think Sony's sales are dictating what MS does or else they would continue to mimic their policies. MS is doing their own thing and setting metrics based on their own standard. Game Pass is at 15 mil subs and there isn't any indication that is going away. 20 years now people have been saying that MS's stockholders were going to demand victory from Xbox. Victory hasn't happened yet. People should stop worrying about MS's financial health and focus on playing games. I don't see Xbox going anywhere or their first parties going anywhere but on the Xbox ecosystem. The good thing is that MS is offering gamers multiple ways to access their content if you are interested so it isn't a problem.
This is just don't see. There is no way MS would want to split the revenue from Game Pass with a platform holder they don't own. Think about it. If you play a game using Game Pass Sony or Nintendo would lose out of that sale from their store. If games from Game Pass continue to have a discount Sony or Nintendo would either have to price match or again lose out on a sale. So then Sony or Nintendo would want a cut of the monthly subscription which is taking a small pie and cutting it smaller making the deal less lucrative for MS. Game Pass really only works when you own the platform the service is provided on or at least don't have to split the proceeds.
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Compsiox
Banned
I hope I'm wrong.
devilNprada
Member
How much are they going to sell as day one game pass titles?
People seem to believe these huge IP's are purely cost centers...
FunkMiller
Gold Member
GamePass isn’t cloud gaming. Xcloud is. And I sound like a broken record, but Amazon’s entry into streaming games will change everything. 15 million GamePass subscribers? Try 150 million Prime subscribers, and the most efficient sales platform on earth.
Also.... I haven’t mentioned Msft’s financial health once, it’s completely immaterial to a conversation about Xbox and the games industry. Just because a corporation as a whole is successful and rich, it doesn’t mean every part of it is safe, if that part fails to perform to expectations.
Msft’s worst case scenario is being beaten by Sony in games console hardware sales, and by Amazon in streaming game services. You‘re absolutely right to say that Msft are offering multiple ways to access their content, but not having a proper focus could be their undoing in the long run.
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RaZoR No1
Member
They could offer a web based solution or could arrange an agreement on this. I dont think, that Netflix or Amazon has to pay royalties for the subs/viewers they get from PS4 consoles. Even If MS manages to release it on PS and has to pay royalties, it is still a win win situation for MS, because they have expanded their potential customer base, again.
As long nothing is bought directly in the store, it could be handled like a streaming/video app.
If there is a will, there will be a way.
With Sony probably not so much, because they have PS Now, but I could imagine Nintendo and MS could come to an agreement regarding xCloud.
Agnostic2020
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DarkPassenger8
Neo Member
I apologize for possibly derailing or interrupting the cries of defensive fanboys (I did not say whose side but you can make an educated guess ) but does anyone know if the embargo is being lifted as of 12:00am tomorrow/Tuesday - if it has a set time - or if this is just a loose understanding which reviewers will randomly release in a scatter of unboxings?
) but does anyone know if the embargo is being lifted as of 12:00am tomorrow/Tuesday - if it has a set time - or if this is just a loose understanding which reviewers will randomly release in a scatter of unboxings?These interviews with phil spencer don't say anything new. They regurgitate the same things we've alread heard. All potential and promises. Forum discussions about it end up the same way with the same talking points.
Almost as if they're released on purpose at certain times.
Blah blah blah blah
Almost as if they're released on purpose at certain times.
Blah blah blah blah
Shmunter
Member
Ps+ is what makes these types of games by giving wide user reach. Rocket league, Fall Guys.
if it’s a solid title, this is the best chance for it to go viral. otherwise it will sink as it should.
DarkPassenger8
Neo Member
The one new thing I learned was that I had assumed when they originally announced the Zenimax deal that it had already been agreed upon and acquired, yet Spencer indicated that there likely would not be an actual agreement in place until next year and all they had done was announce their intention to acquire Zenimax and initiate an agreement, providing plenty of time for things to be altered and updated based on how this next-generation launch occurs.
ZehDon
Gold Member
Clearly you don't know what happened. Microsoft purchased Nokia's phone division and then commenced with the immediate integration of their Windows Phone OS and a concerted push into the mobile space. They weren't successful, no arguments there, but if you think they sat around once they made the purchase, then you don't understand what happened.
This post is laughably wrong. How do you actually think businesses function?
To sign off on a $7.5b deal, do you think the Microsoft CEO looked at the proposal - which in reality would need to include a demonstrable, proven, data-researched track to profitability - and said "Sure, it'll make a great headline and really stick it to Sony - we'll figure out the specifics later". No. Of course not - that's fucking insane. The acquisition proposal floated internally at Microsoft prior included the exact nature of the software that would be released - platforms, estimated install base, estimated sales, and projected revenue - to demonstrate that the deal made sense. Business 101. Microsoft haven't been in business at the top of the heap for 50 years because they operate on the kind of logic you seem to think they do.
Microsoft made the decision on what to do with their new acquisition before they even had the green light on the purchase. That's the only actual truth. And if you think Microsoft - Microsoft - are going to share something they spent a fortune on, you must have been sleeping during their anti-trust hearings. Microsoft bought Zenimax to bolster their gaming division, not Sony's. Any thinking otherwise is delusional. Microsoft's MO - buy up established players in the industry they want to dominate, and let their cheque book do the work.
"But - but - but the profits!". Microsoft doesn't need PlayStation to be profitable. As I said - if that's your thinking, you must be waiting for that Spider-man Miles Morales Xbox Series X announcement to arrive at any moment... maybe Sony will be making the announcement at the Xbox launch event! Marvel is the biggest money maker in entertainment right now - Sony wouldn't leave money on the table by not selling to all the millions of Spider-man fans at Xbox. Right?
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Katt”BuckNasty”Johnston
Member
Just speculation because I find this topic interesting.
if I had to guess, if the Microsoft board projects they can get to 60M+ subscribers by releasing on PS and Nintendo even with a 30% cut. I think there’s a good chance they’d do it. They are a service driven company and I’d imagine eventually being vendor/medium agnostic will be the goal.
What circumstances would have to happen in your opinion for Microsoft to release their library on PS, If any?
FunkMiller
Gold Member
This conversation is impossible to have because it’s always viewed through the prism of the dumb ass fanboy rivalry between Xbox and Sony.
You want to know how business works? Stop thinking it gives two shits about what plastic box you prefer. And stop thinking just about bloody Sony as competition...
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RaZoR No1
Member
Just some brainstorming scenarios ( I apologize in advance, if anything doesn't make sense.. It is pretty late here xD)
Scenario 1:
If the Xbox Consoles fail completly regarding console sales or digital revenue and are way under their expactations.
This way this could be their "last" console Gen and continue as a Game Service. All of the actual investments were still useful for the future.
Screnario 2: Sony switched to the Azure Servers (was it this year or already 2019??). MS could arrange an agreement for Sony to pay lower fees for the servers etc. or even share some of the techs and Sony could allow them to release the xCloud app. No downloads, just game streaming like old PS Now. Sony would still benefit by people using the PS5 and People will see PS Ads and have to use the PS Store. People who are already subbed and play a multi platform game could use the xCloud as a Demo platform and buy the games on PS Store, because of the higher res, best experience on PS5 itself instead of streaming etc.
In the end they aren't releasing their exclusives on other platforms, because you still have to use the Xbox platform and sub to GPU, you just access it by an app on a PS5.
Probably comparable with Steam and Epic Store in PC, but one store is only allowed to stream.
ZehDon
Gold Member
Yes, I - who is specifically talking about the logistics of a trillion dollar company buying a software publisher, and who only wrote the word 'Sony' once in the post you quoted where I used it to specifically highlight that Microsoft aren't focused on just 'Sony' and that that thinking is fundamentally flawed - am only talking about "dumb ass fanboy rivalry".
Did you read my post? Like... any of it?
duhmetree
Member
We will get a game that looks like the UE5 demo in 2-3 years.
A game developed just for this generation. UC5 is my hope with Straley back at the helm
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bitbydeath
Member
Sooner.
bitbydeath
Member
Unknown villain spoiler for Spider-Man MM.
particleparade
Neo Member
XSX 12tf (sustained) - X1X 6tf = 6tf increase
PS5 8tf (actual) - PS4 Pro 4.2tf = 3.8tf increase
the gulf just keeps widening. Honestly glad I couldn’t get that PS5 preorder now that I’ve done the math
thelastword
Banned
Meirl relax. There is more pop-in Gears 5 just as this BC game and the tearing in the Dirt 5 is really distracting and apparent. It's the first thing I noticed content when the MS guy was playing Dirt 5 today on XBOX Series X, at first it looks like in motion that it's very unstable, so it's a combination of dropped frames and tearing I saw because it's very jarring. It's also from the latest build, because there is no way MS would use this footage to showcase their next gen console if they had better.
As for people seeing issues in BC footage, the truth is, you can't unsee what you see. No one boasted the virtues and superiority of their BC feature like MS did. One would say they even put BC ahead of next gen games with their "4000 games at launch" talk....They are still showing Gears 5 on Ultra that you could have played on PC ages ago for Series X predominantly and a Dirt game that has bad IQ and horrendous tearing. It's not looking good so close to launch. You think if MS had something looking like the UE5 demo, they would be showing this and not showing games showcasing high end detail and raytracing? The proof is in the pudding here, we are only just two weeks from launch. Nobody is trying to sandbag any of these consoles at this point....From henceforth, what you see now, is what you're gonna get at launch....
Metroiddarks
Member
I think is a hard decision but a correct one, this game will be in middle of monsters like Cyberpunk,AC,Spiderman and even Demon Souls.
So even if the game looks good nobody will care this game or not at least in the same degree as the last games I comment.
Another variable here is "Gold" Xbox want to you use that service to play its games and of course for Sony and
Nintendo that is a problem.
Also the price of Gamepass still below of what should be, so we need to see how many time the shareholders of
MIcrosoft will allow to have a service which still not profitable after years of investment, I don't say the service will
disappears or something but the reason of why you still see so many games in that services is because are BC or
they still has as main income the normal sales and in some moment if they want this service become the rule this
should be different.
I know many people compare the prices with Netflix but is not the same, is not so hard a AA game can equals a
budget similar to any regular movie/serie and the AAAs can easily reach/overcome the most expensive productions
you saw and this is becoming a lot more expensive each gen and take a lot more time.
Of course some can say you can make a great games with "few" budget like Hellblade but that is not a rule in the industry
in some moments you will need to AAA can shine and those are expensive and can easily take 5 years.
yurinka
Member
PS Now is the market leader game streaming subscriptions. It has more subscribers and generate more revenue than the other ones, including xCloud. One of the reasons is because PS Now is available in consoles and xCloud isn't. Game Pass is not the same than xCloud. xCloud is included in GamePass Ultimate, not in GamePass.
Regarding downloadable game subscriptions for console, PS Plus is the market leader because it has more subscribers and generates more revenue than GamePass or Gold. For PC is Amazon Prime, and for mobile phones Apple Arcade.
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Lampard
Neo Member
Education systems must be a mess with these terrible math and reading comprehension skills.
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carloseduardocd
Member
No Ray Tracing on Xbox Series S
kyliethicc
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MasterCornholio
Member
grfunkulus
Banned
This is incredibly disengenuous as a comparison. Playstation plus beats xbox live gold is the comparison I think you meant to make if you're being honest. Of course PS wins that.
Meanwhile, Games Pass is 5x more popular than PS Now (I'd be willing to bet more now, given we're still in a pandemic, people are spending more on games while not going out, internet companies are easing data caps etc)
Xbox Game Pass is five times more popular than PlayStation Now
When it comes to subscription-based gaming libraries, Microsoft's Xbox is way ahead of Sony's PlayStation.
www.google.com
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carloseduardocd
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