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Further clarification by Capcom on DMC5:SE: Series S will not have RT. Xbox Series X will get Direct X Ray Tracing Patch at a later date
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SlimySnake
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Rt on a 4 tflops console would have always been a challenge.
Knitted Knight
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Also heard of SSR on Watch Dogs. SSR on Gears 5. Down to COD: Cold War at launch? No clarification there so far considering all the platforms that game is releasing on.
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DrScissorsMD
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Honest question, how do you know it’s at a later date re:XSX? Have they said that elsewhere? Could be a day one patch scenario.
Coloress_Kafka
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Well that certainly doesn’t line up with Microsoft saying Xbox Series S is “designed to deliver the same great next gen experience at 1440p”......
Mister Wolf
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You get what you pay for.
Knitted Knight
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FlyyGOD
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You are reaching for some kind of negative for a system that cost 299.
Knitted Knight
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That's not saying much when you can get a system twice as powerful + change at $399 aka $100 more. Granted it's sold out everywhere.
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DrScissorsMD
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So we’re taking Reddit gaming rumours as gospel now?
Coloress_Kafka
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It wouldn’t be a negative if Microsoft presented the Xbox Series S in a more honest way, they literally said that and then followed up with how it supports ray tracing and all the other features of RDNA 2. Like go back and watch the *official* video explaining the system.
MatrixReloaded101
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Been saying this since the series S was announced... it’s a waste of $300.
Save your pennies and get the Series X
Save your pennies and get the Series X
MasterCornholio
Member
You mean this?
Devil May Cry 5 Special Edition | CAPCOM
さらに美しく。もっとクレイジーに。数多のパワーアップを遂げて『Devil May Cry 5』が次世代ハードに降臨！そして、待望の“バージル”参戦決定！
That's not reddit.
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Knitted Knight
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I don't think this is a hill you wanna die on. You read that reddit post?
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SlimeGooGoo
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-Arcadia-
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I think the Series S is a good proposition as long as the Series X version is a 4K game. The entire crux of this system is that it makes up for a massive hardware deficit, by forgoing the nicetie, and crazy overhead of, 4K.
When something like a Ray Tracing mode crunches the Series X down to 1080p, there is simply nowhere (sensible) for the Series S to go, but removing that mode. It’ll be the same with Minecraft if that ever comes out.
When something like a Ray Tracing mode crunches the Series X down to 1080p, there is simply nowhere (sensible) for the Series S to go, but removing that mode. It’ll be the same with Minecraft if that ever comes out.
MasterCornholio
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Shows the intelligence of these so called spec thread "engineers". With how taxing rt is, you really thought it'd be on a 4tf console?
Nice bait attempt, while showing how little you actually know about the hardware lol.
I just thought it would be extremely limited since it's supposed to have the same* RT hardware the XSX has.
* Talking about the tech not the CU counts.
FlyyGOD
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You think people who are buying the system in the 1st place are hardcore gamers? This system will be brought for kids and causals.
yurinka
Member
Well, Series S as 1/3 of the horsepower of Series X and 63% of its memory.
In addition to cut its resolution to 1080p or less it makes sense that they should cut extra stuff. I think this like this (removing RT on Series S) will be common, specially in the future, as next gen games get more demanding.
But people shouldn't expect to get the high end AAA games looking exactly like in Series X and at the same FPS but in 1440p. There is a meaningful difference of resources, so they'll have to cut FPS, resolution (until 1080p or beyond), lighting, shadows, RT or whatever they need to cut.
In addition to cut its resolution to 1080p or less it makes sense that they should cut extra stuff. I think this like this (removing RT on Series S) will be common, specially in the future, as next gen games get more demanding.
Well, what they say it's true. It will have games with up to 1440p (or even 4K), and other games with RT (but maybe at 30fps and 1080p/900p).
But people shouldn't expect to get the high end AAA games looking exactly like in Series X and at the same FPS but in 1440p. There is a meaningful difference of resources, so they'll have to cut FPS, resolution (until 1080p or beyond), lighting, shadows, RT or whatever they need to cut.
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Iced Arcade
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I didn't think anyone expect RT from the Series S
Mister Wolf
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If raytracing is in the Series S version of Watch Dogs an open world game way more demanding than DMC5 then this is a developer issue.
DrScissorsMD
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Sure; an actual quote from the dev works. Using reddit as a source is ludicrous.You mean this?
Devil May Cry 5 Special Edition | CAPCOM
さらに美しく。もっとクレイジーに。数多のパワーアップを遂げて『Devil May Cry 5』が次世代ハードに降臨！そして、待望の“バージル”参戦決定！www.capcom.co.jp
That's not reddit.
OnThePathToWisdom
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Now I understand why the codename was LOCKhart. It locks out all the next-gen features.
FlyyGOD
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The CU's are part of the tech. Series X raytracing tech is far better than than Sonys or Series S.
DrScissorsMD
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Could’ve avoided this entire pointless interaction if you just posted the dev source itself like Cornholio did.
MasterCornholio
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I thought it was only better because the CU count was higher not that Microsoft is using different hardware for RT.
MasterCornholio
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That reddit had the source that I gave.
It's how I found it so as long as it's in the reddit I don't see why it shouldn't be posted.
Mobile Suit Gooch
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lol what's the controversy?
THEAP99
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The Series S continues to look more and more like a bust. I honestly think they miscalculated and I don't think it'll take off like they wanted to. They shouldn't have even developed it to begin with and went all in on next gen with the series x and next generation features.. games..
I can't imagine the headaches that the hardworking developers have
I can't imagine the headaches that the hardworking developers have
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FlyyGOD
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Maybe you should actually wait until you get some sales data Nostradamus.
Insane Metal
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You don't know that. In fact, no one publicly knows it yet.
01011001
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well, Ubisoft managed to make it work in Watch Dogs on Series S, so it's either they don't even want to try or they have issues with the dev kits
a 1080p30 mode with RT should have been in the cards on Series S, but honestly, who the fuck would play it like that?
nah fam, look at the poll, the all knowing council of NeoGaf knows it is because it is underpowered! it can't be anything else because that would go against the agenda!
a 1080p30 mode with RT should have been in the cards on Series S, but honestly, who the fuck would play it like that?
nah fam, look at the poll, the all knowing council of NeoGaf knows it is because it is underpowered! it can't be anything else because that would go against the agenda!
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-Arcadia-
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Btw, no reason we shouldn’t see RT on Series S in other cases.
Take Miles Morales. The RT there, while impressive, has such a light touch that the game still runs in 4K (at least, I believe) at 30 FPS. Hypothetically, just for a second, if it were possible to put that game on Series X, I don’t see why Series S wouldn’t run RT at 1080p or so.
In this example, Capcom appears to have gone for a really expensive RT solution, crunching even the premium hardware down to 1080p, and leaving nowhere for the S to go.
Take Miles Morales. The RT there, while impressive, has such a light touch that the game still runs in 4K (at least, I believe) at 30 FPS. Hypothetically, just for a second, if it were possible to put that game on Series X, I don’t see why Series S wouldn’t run RT at 1080p or so.
In this example, Capcom appears to have gone for a really expensive RT solution, crunching even the premium hardware down to 1080p, and leaving nowhere for the S to go.
THEAP99
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Keyword "think." Just my guess.
FlyyGOD
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The tech in Series X has been known for months. What has Sony shown you for you to think otherwise?
kyliethicc
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Shows the intelligence of these so called spec thread "engineers". With how taxing rt is, you really thought it'd be on a 4tf console?
Nice bait attempt, while showing how little you actually know about the hardware lol.
Insane Metal
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That's the thing, Sony hasn't shown their GPU hardware specifics yet. We don't know what their RT solution is or how well their API makes use of it.
FlyyGOD
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You said the Series s continues to look like a bust right?