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[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

Also Insomniac hinting at a 1080p, 60 FPS Ray Traced Mode?

 

[skneogaf]

Yeah 1080p 60fps ray tracing mode is ideal as a 3rd option on consoles.

 

[Senua]

60fps looks really very nice and good

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

Yeah 1080p 60fps mode is ideal as a 3rd option on consoles.

with ray tracing would be sweet

 

[BlueXImpulse]

Looking good

 

[#Phonepunk#]

game looked amazing on last gen, this is just unreal. might have to bite the bullet and get this.

 

[AJUMP23]

It looks good, but I don't want to play it again.

 

[Rudius]

I won't trade 60fps for higher resolution, but would be glad to play in 1080p60 with ray-tracing.

 

[alucard0712_rus]

I thought the same!
But 1080p? I think it can do 1440p/60. Dynamic of course.

 

[SlimySnake]

if a game is native 4k 30 fps, you shouldnt need to go all the way down to 1080p 60 fps with ray tracing.

I really want to know why there are no 1440p 60 fps options for these ray traced games. Where is the bottleneck?

 

[wvnative]

I hate to be that guy, but the dude playing seems unfit to play a video game.

 

[ElCasual]

Yeah 1080p 60fps ray tracing mode is ideal as a 3rd option on consoles.

Agree, a mode for 1080p, 60fps and RT in all XSX and PS5 games will be dope.

 

[TheDude108]

I really want to know why there are no 1440p 60 fps options for these ray traced games. Where is the bottleneck?

Marketing

 

[Armorous]

This looks really good, glad I skipped PS4, will make the value of PS5 that much higher for me to play some of these games that get remastered/enhanced for PS5

 

[[Sigma]]

1080p, 60fps with RT

That would be glorious for my nephew who doesn't have a 4k set yet in his room.

 

[Gloomnivore]

4K should be the last consideration for developers. If it can coexist alongside 60fps and RT, fine, but otherwise it needs to go.

 

[LivingD3AD]

It looks mighty impressive. RayTracing added too much weight to the visual

 

[Stuart360]

I know the ray traced reflections are nice and all, but i dont know how anyone would pick that over the 60fps mode. 60fps just looks so much better.

 

[DeepEnigma]

That looks fantastic!

Never played it on the PS4, will surely be giving it a go on the PS5.

 

[NickFire]

That looks fantastic!

Never played it on the PS4, will surely be giving it a go on the PS5.

I literally have it next to PS4 (kid's copy) and refused to play it this entire time. Reason: I always knew it would be worth waiting to play it on next gen, just like the original Last of Us was at the time.

 

[The Fartist]

So is it the PS4 build with RT?

 

[inflation]

if a game is native 4k 30 fps, you shouldnt need to go all the way down to 1080p 60 fps with ray tracing.

I really want to know why there are no 1440p 60 fps options for these ray traced games. Where is the bottleneck?

Because Sony doesn’t support 1440p.

 

[Hunnybun]

if a game is native 4k 30 fps, you shouldnt need to go all the way down to 1080p 60 fps with ray tracing.

I really want to know why there are no 1440p 60 fps options for these ray traced games. Where is the bottleneck?

I've asked the same question a couple of times and the best guess seems to be that the RT is already running at a lower resolution (seems a reasonable assumption although I've not seen it confirmed anywhere) and therefore to get the benefit of halving the resolution to 1440p you'd also have to halve the RT resolution too, which would seriously harm that effect.

That seemed reasonable to me at first, but then I realised that half of 1080p is a bit more than 720p, so it's not like you'd have to go to a ludicrously low resolution. And, what's more, if the RT looks THIS good (and it does look glorious) at 1080p, would it not still look pretty good and still worth having at 720p (or checkerboarded to 1080p or whatever is best)??

So yeah, long story short - that could be the reason, but if it is, it doesn't seem like a very good one.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

Not paying full price again for this game.

 

[a multicultural team of v]

Because Sony doesn’t support 1440p.

Sony has multiple games that render 1440p and output to 4k though.

 

[SlimySnake]

Because Sony doesn’t support 1440p.

sony doesnt support 1440p tvs. they support 1440p resolution which will get upscaled to 4k on 4k tvs.

 

[LivingD3AD]

So is it the PS4 build with RT?

Better textures, better character models, enhanced lighting and more

 

[inflation]

Sony has multiple games that render 1440p and output to 4k though.

sony doesnt support 1440p tvs. they support 1440p resolution which will get upscaled to 4k on 4k tvs.

That’s the point. Down to the road we would see dynamic 4K with 60fps and RT. Even when Sony add 1440p support I guess it will be the same as Xbox’s solution, e.g. down sampling from 4K.

 

[The Fartist]

Better textures, better character models, enhanced lighting and more

Like, Miles Morales better textures, models, etc?

 

[truth411]

if a game is native 4k 30 fps, you shouldnt need to go all the way down to 1080p 60 fps with ray tracing.

I really want to know why there are no 1440p 60 fps options for these ray traced games. Where is the bottleneck?

Ray tracing is very expensive.
Also in simplistic terms 1080p 60fps = 1/2 of 4k 30fps of pixels drawn on screen. So you would be using the GPU performance saved to implement Ray tracing.

Edit: You can only pick 2

1. 4k
2. 60fps
3. Ray Tracing

 

[Hunnybun]

Ray tracing is very expensive.
Also in simplistic terms 1080p 60fps = 1/2 of 4k 30fps of pixels drawn on screen. So you would be using the GPU performance saved to implement Ray tracing.

Edit: You can only pick 2

1. 4k
2. 60fps
3. Ray Tracing

That doesn't follow, does it?

The cost of RT is already suffered in the 4k30 version.

If you went down to 1440p that's roughly a 50% drop in resolution. IF you then doubled frame rate, you're back to 100% of the original pixels.

So why is additional performance required for RT?

 

[SlimySnake]

Ray tracing is very expensive.
Also in simplistic terms 1080p 60fps = 1/2 of 4k 30fps of pixels drawn on screen. So you would be using the GPU performance saved to implement Ray tracing.

Edit: You can only pick 2

1. 4k
2. 60fps
3. Ray Tracing

you dont have to tell me. ive been playing ray traced games for two years on my rtx 2080. typically though, bringing the resolution down to 1440p from native 4k brings the framerate up by 2x. its just the way it works.

 

[Hunnybun]

you dont have to tell me. ive been playing ray traced games for two years on my rtx 2080. typically though, bringing the resolution down to 1440p from native 4k brings the framerate up by 2x. its just the way it works.

Oh, cool - it's interesting to see that it works like that in the real world too and not just in theory.

So yeah I really do struggle to see why they couldn't have done 1440p60 plus RT. It's irritating because that definitely would've been my priority.

 

[Vick]

Man, watching that individual playing was a fucking torture.

Remaster looks good i guess. I'm not really impressed since the original is still one of the most impressive looking games i've seen, but i'd gladly take an upgrade to my Spider-Man 2 simulator.

 

[Portugeezer]

I want to know if they increased the overall polygon count of buildings /character models.

Looks nice though.

 

[Vick]

I want to know if they increased the overall polygon count of buildings /character models.

Looks nice though.

What was wrong before?

 

[dano1]

Damn I wasn’t going to buy the one with both games... hmmmm

 

[truth411]

you dont have to tell me. ive been playing ray traced games for two years on my rtx 2080. typically though, bringing the resolution down to 1440p from native 4k brings the framerate up by 2x. its just the way it works.

I dont think either $500 console are equivalent to a nvidia 2080 when it comes to its Ray Tracing performance.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Also Insomniac hinting at a 1080p, 60 FPS Ray Traced Mode?

A dynamic 1440p 60fps mode with raytracing would be great!

 

[SlimySnake]

I dont think either $500 console are equivalent to a nvidia 2080 when it comes to its Ray Tracing performance.

no one is saying that. we are talking about halving the resolution and gaining 2x the framerate. that is basically how games have worked since forever.

 

[Monkeygourmet]

30fps looks absolutely fine in this and the 4K with RT looks incredible.

60fps is very nice but 30fps done well with no frame pacing is absolutely fine.

I remember Batman Arkham Knight also looking and playing very nice and smooth at 30fps on base PS4 - it entirely depends on how it’s done.

Games like Bloodborne are obviously a mess at 30 with the frame pacing issues and I think I found Uncharted 4 a little juddery also. Spider-Man looks very smooth

 

[mckmas8808]

WOW!

 

[M1chl]

:chef_kiss:

 

[mckmas8808]

I know the ray traced reflections are nice and all, but i dont know how anyone would pick that over the 60fps mode. 60fps just looks so much better.

It "runs" better, but it doesn't "look" better.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Looks great but I still don't like that they changed Peter's face. It feels like the main character of you favorite movie was recasted after the release.

 

[Eimran]

Puddles!!!!!

 

[BlueXImpulse]

For them to be this good at it so early on while maintaining a native 4K resolution bodes very well for the future indeed. Sony are a cut above.

 

[Vick]

Man as soon as gameplay starts it looks like a damn CG movie.. wow.
Need to see comparisons of the intro though.

 

[Dragon_Rocks]

I am getting sick of reflections everywhere to showcase ray tracing. Until dev start using ray tracing for actual gameplay purposes like in stealth sections, identifying enemy positions, env puzzles etc. I would rather switch it off if possible.

 

[ReBurn]

I would use fidelity mode to goof around but performance mode whenever moving the story forward.