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DF - Assassin's Creed Valhalla: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S Next-Gen Comparison!
Unoptimized for series consoles? that's pure nonsense, MS had the marketing deal.
Clearly there is something bottlenecking the SX, it wouldn't surprise me if it's the split ram bandwidth.
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ThatOneGrunt
Member
Got to admit. This is all disappointing. Wish I didn’t invest so heavily in digital Xbox purchases. But they do have the best BC and I felt like an Xbox would always give me the best access to that content.
I’ll still likely pick up a Series X for that fact, but I really wanted Xbox to have the performance edge this new gen. Oh well. At least the performance divide between the consoles won’t be so big.
I’ll still likely pick up a Series X for that fact, but I really wanted Xbox to have the performance edge this new gen. Oh well. At least the performance divide between the consoles won’t be so big.
oldergamer
Member
Is the new gen over? sheesh.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
9 > 12
Yoboman
Member
Which of them is meant to keep up with Sony graphically?
killatopak
Gold Member
So the loading time difference is just 3 seconds. 23 vs 26 right?
PS5 was supposed to perform 100% better at 13 seconds to be exact.
Is it fair to say that PS5 tools is immature too?
PS5 was supposed to perform 100% better at 13 seconds to be exact.
Is it fair to say that PS5 tools is immature too?
Yoboman
Member
If history is any context, the console to draw first blood in head to heads has maintained that over the generation
ethomaz
Banned
Xbox drops more the resolution... not PS5... in fact Xbox needs to drop a bit more the res to hold 60fps like PS5.
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Wow at the results I expected Series X to have a noticeable advantage over PS5, just like when PS4 had a advantage over Xbox One, or One X over PS4 Pro.
So have Sony just built a better machine, isn't Series X build cost higher than a PS5 excluding the controllers. So Microsoft went with a bigger APU and 12TF for Sony to some how he able to outperform them or be in par. Build cost is very important because if PS5 build cost ends up being cheaper Sony have better margins for profit and price drop for the same power.
So have Sony just built a better machine, isn't Series X build cost higher than a PS5 excluding the controllers. So Microsoft went with a bigger APU and 12TF for Sony to some how he able to outperform them or be in par. Build cost is very important because if PS5 build cost ends up being cheaper Sony have better margins for profit and price drop for the same power.
xHunter
Member
People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. They CREATED DirectX, the standard APIs that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their HW skills, do you really think they dont know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way they are giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference it would be obvious.
I get a ton of hate for saying this but its been the same EVERY generation. Sony claims more power, they did it with Cell, they did it with Emotion Engine, and they are doing it again. And, in the end, games on their system looked the same or better.
Im not saying they havent built a good system Im merely saying that anyone who wants to die on their sword over this 30%+ power advantage are going to be fighting an uphill battle over the next 10 years
I get a ton of hate for saying this but its been the same EVERY generation. Sony claims more power, they did it with Cell, they did it with Emotion Engine, and they are doing it again. And, in the end, games on their system looked the same or better.
Im not saying they havent built a good system Im merely saying that anyone who wants to die on their sword over this 30%+ power advantage are going to be fighting an uphill battle over the next 10 years
ethomaz
Banned
Miles Morales loads in less than 2 seconds... so no.
sounds legitMark Cerny warned y'all
Just replace PS4 with Series X, which is what he was really hinting at
killatopak
Gold Member
Compared to what? There’s no Miles Morales on Xbox.
For sure I know first party will take advantage of the hardware more but we can’t really compare stuff with first party.
RaySoft
Member
Had fun reading through some old posts.. stumbled over this one
www.neogaf.com
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
Except that’s not what devs are telling me. The system is not 9.2TF. I would say it’s between 11.5-13TF... In Fact had a Dev tell me in a message off site that a recent leak was 100% right with PS5. Just waiting on him to tell me which one. For the record I can back what I’m saying up if @Mod...
Agnostic2020
Member
A correction by Alex. Ps5 is better by 30% not 15%
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
ethomaz
Banned
It is not PS5 issue that Xbox has no game to show its “12 TFs power”.
Miles Morales proves PS5’s SSD is really made to makes loads in 1 second target... not just MM... Demon’s Souls too.
Sony is basically delivering what they they told you.
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Yoboman
Member
Unfortunately Series X uses RDNA1 CUssounds legit
Series X might have all the features of RDNA2, but its powered by last gen CU tech. Its a Ferrari body with a Ford Focus engine
And now we are seeing that play out in the real world comparisons
Md Ray
Member
Also, PS5 is simply a fantastic, well thought out machine.Sony really did let the game do the talking instead of talking about power for 2 years
Behind the scenes, the dev tools, profilers, and the likes must be a breeze to work with and well thought out too. Cerny has always been about ease of development first foremost. And great games flourish because of this.
The PS5 advantage in CPU scenarios is difficult to fathom.
The slight advantage PS5 holds - below many people's expectations - on loading speed on 3rd party games and multi-platform titles was to be completely expected, because loading speed is not just a function of HW speed but also loading algorithms. Most 3rd party engines will simply not be coded for fast loading, 1st parties is different and there We are seeing the expected results.
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Yoboman
Member
Allnamestakenlol
Member
Can't spell sodium (aka, salt) without Odium.
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killatopak
Gold Member
Yeah but they also told me that using the SSD and all it’s I/O is effortless and automatically done by the system itself and doesn’t need much developer intervention. In fact it‘s on the Road to PS5. Why can’t devs show that 100% difference now? Surely something is stopping them. I mean fine it doesn’t have to be a 100% difference but the performance delta on various native next gen games show very little difference.
I mean it goes to show that it’s not really effortless and you still have to put some work in to make it utilize full efficiency.
mansoor1980
Member
i dont get it
TheTechnician
Banned
I KNEW IT ALL THE TIME! XSX is in the disadvantage because its Games need to run on more CUs...
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FranXico
Member
That their marketing and product perceived value relies so much on graphical power is the real issue.
People who bought a PS5 did not do so for better looking multiplatform games, even if they did get a few.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
But they somehow fully utilize ps5 power?Because that can be said for both console.And even not fully utilising Ps5's ssd it shows (although marginally) better perfs, the same can't be said for the XsX.
geordiemp
Member
FranXico
Member
It's a meme. If you were here in 2013, you'd know.
kuncol02
Banned
It's easier when you know this
The Latest on Xbox Game Core - Thurrott.com
Microsoft's latest Game Core update brings it closer to release as the company prepares for its next-generation Xbox launch.
www.thurrott.com
xHunter
Member
Albert Penello said this back in 2013 before the consoles launched. Thought it was funny to repost it.
Adam Sessler & Albert Penello on the Xbox One (Interview)
He meant graphics. Did you see Infamous:Second Son? I have seen Infamous... it looks next gen, but so does Ryse visually, and to some people even more so than Infamous which looks good, but at no point does anyone feel like Infamous makes Ryse look a league apart, both are serious eye candy...
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Bro, I hear what you're sayin. I'm of the belief that things will iron out in the future. But for right now what matters are RESULTS. The results we are seeing here betrays the promises we were given. PS3 Cell WAS more powerful, but it was ALSO too hard to develop for, which is why 360 beat out PS3 in most games. We are seeing a similar thing here except the problem is not so much with the hardware as much as it is the complete lack of logistical aptitude coming out of the Xbox team. They took too long to get their Dev Kits to developers and so it's the consumer who gets fucked in the end. Ubisoft and Microsoft have my $60 already. They have my $500 for the console. there needs to be pressure to have them quickly hold up their end of the bargain.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
A correction by Alex. Ps5 is better by 30% not 15%
The brain was in downplay mode.
It's a copypasta
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mansoor1980
Member
ok that was funnyAlbert Penello said this back in 2013 before the consoles launched. Thought it was funny to repost it.
Adam Sessler & Albert Penello on the Xbox One (Interview)
He meant graphics. Did you see Infamous:Second Son? I have seen Infamous... it looks next gen, but so does Ryse visually, and to some people even more so than Infamous which looks good, but at no point does anyone feel like Infamous makes Ryse look a league apart, both are serious eye candy...
oldergamer
Member
Historically? which consoles are you talking about? I'm not sure history will play itself out here. We will have to see if things change with future patches.
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BootsLoader
Banned
You know what? Feels like they don’t know how to build a console
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Oh shit !!! Colt neutral?That's no longer bias, that's insanity, what's next?Mrxmedia is pro-sony?Anthem is a good game?
And don't forget he has great "sources".
Yoboman
Member
Xbox 360 won the first head to heads and maintained that over the course of the gen
PS4 won the first head to heads and maintained that
One X won the first head to heads and maintained that
Md Ray
Member
It (XSS) has better performance and less screen tearing.
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alabtrosMyster
Banned
How do you explain to yourself how well the series S performs (comparatively speaking).
Fitzchiv
Member
Smoking gun on this is the general issues with the game on both Xbox consoles. I think I'll wait a bit longer before casting judgement, as at the moment it just looks like the developers did a worse job lining it up on the Xbox platform vs Playstation - which in itself could have various reasons. And, you know: Ubisoft
Md Ray
Member
oldergamer
Member
...and we all know why, the GPU with the most performance customizations won each of those times. I think this gen is pretty different then the others. Never in any previous gen have we had to wait so late to see games running on actual hardware. I don't think things will play out identical to previous times
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