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[BlueHawk357]

This may not be an important feature to most people, but it is for media users. TL;DR at bottom.

So, modern consoles have CEC - PS3, PS4, Switch, PS5. Most TVs after 2005 have CEC. Xbox one never had CEC, they I stead opted for IR alone.

So, when Xbox said Series X/S said they would implement CEC, I thought: 10+ years late, but finally. IR is okay, but by today's standards very outdated, and you also either need a seperate remote for Xbox, or buy an All-In-One type remote.

With CEC, you can control literally everything - TV, Reciever, All Consoles, etc. With just one controller. Everything just blends in perfectly.

I feel this is quite an issue for those who planned to use Series as a media device. I installed Disney+, Netflix, etc. Cannot launch them without the controller. So I still need to keep a Fire Stick just for this alone.

This isn't an angry rant, just feedback and disappointment on what they said would be in place.

TL;DR: Xbox CEC can control other devices, ie: turn your TV off/on. It cannot, however be controlled, ie: use the remote to go around dashboard.

 

[ReBurn]

How can CEC be 10+ years late in a console that released a few days ago?

 

[prinz_valium]

I just hate, that other devices can't turn on my Series X via HDMI CEC.
Only off. That sucks.

 

[p_xavier]

What?! That seems such a basic feature to include. Especially the Xbone was meant as a TV entertainment center.

 

[Sebastian Suola]

I never understood why you couldn't just use your controller to control your media. I've done this since the PS2 days. Never bought or used a remote, ever. Pop in my movie, use my controller to launch it. If I need to mess with some settings I can get it done. Never had any problems. If you have a console, you will have the controller lying around nearby. What's the problem?

 

[IDappa]

Doesn't the Xbox one already have this?, I can use my tv remote to turn on the Xbox and control the Xbox menus with my tv remote..

 

[NullZ3r0]

This is a niche complaint. The implementation of CEC works for me. Turns my TV on and turns it off.

 

[acm2000]

CEC is shit on everything, such a piece of shit mixed up bag of dicks of a "standard"

 

[Spukc]

The creator of CEC should be force to give blowjobs to a shotgun begging for his life

 

[MarkMe2525]

This may not be an important feature to most people, but it is for media users. TL;DR at bottom.

So, modern consoles have CEC - PS3, PS4, Switch, PS5. Most TVs after 2005 have CEC. Xbox one never had CEC, they I stead opted for IR alone.

So, when Xbox said Series X/S said they would implement CEC, I thought: 10+ years late, but finally. IR is okay, but by today's standards very outdated, and you also either need a seperate remote for Xbox, or buy an All-In-One type remote.

With CEC, you can control literally everything - TV, Reciever, All Consoles, etc. With just one controller. Everything just blends in perfectly.

I feel this is quite an issue for those who planned to use Series as a media device. I installed Disney+, Netflix, etc. Cannot launch them without the controller. So I still need to keep a Fire Stick just for this alone.

This isn't an angry rant, just feedback and disappointment on what they said would be in place.

TL;DR: Xbox CEC can control other devices, ie: turn your TV off/on. It cannot, however be controlled, ie: use the remote to go around dashboard.

My samsung remote controlled my Xbox one x, so it sounds like it had CEC. The series X though doesn't have this feature. I Imagine it will be patched in considering it's predecessor supported the feature, at least I hope so.

 

[danielJackson]

That sucks, it is nice to control console/Netflix etc in console by tv remote

 

[Soodanim]

How does this normally work with regards to turning your console on?

My PS3 is set up so that my TV remote can control it, but I still turn my PS3 on to get things started (which wakes my TV up). Are you saying there should be a way for me to wake my PS3 by TV remote?

 

[Trimesh]

The creator of CEC should be force to give blowjobs to a shotgun begging for his life

CEC is a typical consumer electronics standard - most of them give the impression that someone was actively trying to create a fractal out of bad design and absurdity. You may sometimes be frustrated by the way devices sometimes don't interoperate in the manner you expect (or sometimes at all) - but the more time you spend reading the standards the more amazed you become that any of it ever operates at all.

Two great examples of utterly fucked specs are USB-C and HDMI - they both started off as being somewhat reasonable but had so much shit added to them them that on occasions you just need to guess what the proper behavior should be and hope everyone else either made the same guesses you did or (more often) just designed it so that it accept anything that looks even vaguely correct.

If you stack both these standards up together (for example, in the HDMI alternate function mode supported by USB-C) and asked 5 engineers what they think the correct action would be in a given situation you would likely get at least five different answers. Personally I still feel a small flicker of amazement every time I plug in a USB-C to HDMI cable and it actually works.

 

[Spukc]

CEC is a typical consumer electronics standard - most of them give the impression that someone was actively trying to create a fractal out of bad design and absurdity. You may sometimes be frustrated by the way devices sometimes don't interoperate in the manner you expect (or sometimes at all) - but the more time you spend reading the standards the more amazed you become that any of it ever operates at all.

Two great examples of utterly fucked specs are USB-C and HDMI - they both started off as being somewhat reasonable but had so much shit added to them them that on occasions you just need to guess what the proper behavior should be and hope everyone else either made the same guesses you did or (more often) just designed it so that it accept anything that looks even vaguely correct.

If you stack both these standards up together (for example, in the HDMI alternate function mode supported by USB-C) and asked 5 engineers what they think the correct action would be in a given situation you would likely get at least five different answers. Personally I still feel a small flicker of amazement every time I plug in a USB-C to HDMI cable and it actually works.

No i worked in tech retail as a student for 5 years.. HDMI CEC is the most evil fucking shit ever invented by satan. We had like 400 tv's hooked up. to demo. And that shit was constantly triggering

 

[Trimesh]

No i worked in tech retail as a student for 5 years.. HDMI CEC is the most evil fucking shit ever invented by satan. We had like 400 tv's hooked up. to demo. And that shit was constantly triggering

Ah that must have been interesting. CEC is especially evil because although it's mostly known now as being used with HDMI it's really the same 20 year old standard that was used on the old Euro SCART connectors and hence has acquired literally decades of cruft. I also had the amusing experience of seeing the source code that implemented the CEC interface used by a large TV manufacturer and it was a real mess with lots of "I don't know why you have to do this, but you do". It also had rather large amounts of swearing in it, which is rather unusual for code that came from a Japanese company. Getting hundreds of devices to interoperate using it must have been hell...

 

[Magic Carpet]

Why are there so many threads on Neogaf from non console owning people?
Xbox One has CEC and it works well. What FUD are you spreading here?
Does the Series X/S not have working CEC?
I'm going to start ignoring both Thread makers and posters with this type of thread starting today.
Bluehawk 357 your my first ignore after this many months on Neogaf. Way to go.

 

[Killer8]

I had soundbar dropout issues for months that were fixed when I disabled CEC on my Nvidia Shield Pro. Never again, and I won't miss it.

 

[Lone Wolf]

I posted this in the Xbox OT thread. It sucks ass and I can’t seem to get volume control to work. I miss the One X and how it worked seamlessly with everything.

 

[Spukc]

Why are there so many threads on Neogaf from non console owning people?
Xbox One has CEC and it works well. What FUD are you spreading here?
Does the Series X/S not have working CEC?
I'm going to start ignoring both Thread makers and posters with this type of thread starting today.
Bluehawk 357 your my first ignore after this many months on Neogaf. Way to go.

WRONG

Ah that must have been interesting. CEC is especially evil because although it's mostly known now as being used with HDMI it's really the same 20 year old standard that was used on the old Euro SCART connectors and hence has acquired literally decades of cruft. I also had the amusing experience of seeing the source code that implemented the CEC interface used by a large TV manufacturer and it was a real mess with lots of "I don't know why you have to do this, but you do". It also had rather large amounts of swearing in it, which is rather unusual for code that came from a Japanese company. Getting hundreds of devices to interoperate using it must have been hell...

People hated that too back in the day. I have an old B&O crt for my retroconsoles.. And that auto shit suuuuuuuucks man.

 

[Boaty McBoatface]

My X one (original) can control my TV and av receiver power, you sure you haven't enabled the right thing in the settings?

 

[Ceadeus]

Would you mind explaining what's a CEC?

 

[Self]

Would you mind explaining what's a CEC?

It was supposed to be a blessing, but turned into a curse.

 

[lachesis]

I don't like CEC. A lot of times I turn off my OLED monitor when I'm downloading/installing the games, or taking an extended break - and it also turns off the console all together.

Of course, newer systems claim that it continues to download and all - but I don't really 100% trust anything. If I only have one thing connected to the TV - sure - but nope. At the same token, I also had Harmony universal remote before, but I just didn't like the experience.

With CEC for PS4 Pro - I had one time trying to remote play the game on my Vita at night - and the TV turned on with full volume, waking everybody up. Since then, I turned off all the CEC for my consoles.

Only thing that I have CEC on is my soundbar, that also acts as a hub for the 3 game consoles that I have connected. All the consoles are CEC disabled, but TV and Soundbar do have CEC on - so that I can control volume with just one remote, and the soundbar turns off when I turn off the TV.

 

[MetalRain]

So I wonder if people do use Xbox Series X|S as their media device? TVs of today are quite capable of running all sorts of streaming apps.

 

[M1chl]

My X one (original) can control my TV and av receiver power, you sure you haven't enabled the right thing in the settings?

It's presumably done by IR blaster.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Top CEC

 

[Trimesh]

Would you mind explaining what's a CEC?

"Consumer Electronics Control" - it's intended as a generalized interface for passing commands to and from various pieces of AV gear, but the level of functionality you can expect to work in any given context is rather unpredictable. The biggest problem is that it's one of those excessively flexible "almost everything is optional" specs - for example, when implemented on an HDMI port you can leave the CEC port running while the main power (and the HDMI drivers) are turned off - in this case, you can use it to remotely turn the device on. Or you can just not implement this, as you wish.

 

[jaysius]

Please report this bug to MS.

I have this issue also, there are a few threads on the reddit subs about this. We need MS to FIX THIS NOW.

 

[marquimvfs]

My CEC always worked perfectly with both ps3 and 4. I can use the tv remote to turn my consoles on and off, to control de xmb and media Keys to watch Netflix, Amazon and blu-rays. It can turn my TV on and in the right channel if I turn The console on while The TV is off. On The console options I can choose to turn off (or not) the console if the TV is turned off.

 

[Hendrick's]

Please report this bug to MS.

I have this issue also, there are a few threads on the reddit subs about this. We need MS to FIX THIS NOW.

It's not a bug. It's simply not a supported feature.

 

[reksveks]

CEC is shit on everything, such a piece of shit mixed up bag of dicks of a "standard"

You got there before me.

Think the thread should have been named 'Hdmi CEC is shit but Microsoft one is a bit shittier'

 

[Grinchy]

It annoys the shit out of me when my TV's last source channel was a console, so when I turn on the TV, it powers up the console that's connected to that source.

Like, no, TV, I enjoy the console powering you up and switching to the right source channel, but I don't like you powering up the console. Stop that.

 

[oldergamer]

It annoys the shit out of me when my TV's last source channel was a console, so when I turn on the TV, it powers up the console that's connected to that source.

Like, no, TV, I enjoy the console powering you up and switching to the right source channel, but I don't like you powering up the console. Stop that.

get a better tv and a harmony remote.

 

[Mistershine.]

Universal remotes FTW!

 

[Connxtion]

I had CEC working, green button my my LG CX remote would act as A. But now that I tried again it’s not working

 

[VincentMatts]

This could be a FW issue. Lets wait and see when they start fixing the launch problems

 

[SkylineRKR]

CEC sucks, there was always something fucking up, like the console powering on when I didn't want it or w/e. My soundbar powers on when the TV powers on, and goes off when my TV shuts off, thats ok. But I always disable it in consoles.

 

[jaysius]

It's not a bug. It's simply not a supported feature.

You're incorrect, there are people whose remotes ARE controlling the UI via HDMI-CEC.

Also the bug is that the HDMI-CEC even at the MOST BASIC settings that Xbox has implemented are supposed to TURN ON things, but it's not being sensed as CONNECTED by the TV when it's connected in the HDMI-CEC settings.

This could be a FW issue. Lets wait and see when they start fixing the launch problems

They won't LOOK if you don't FILE THE BUG. REPORT THE BUG properly if you have this issue, don't try to DISCOURAGE people from doing so.

I posted this in the Xbox OT thread. It sucks ass and I can’t seem to get volume control to work. I miss the One X and how it worked seamlessly with everything.

I have an AVR but Volume control is working perfectly for me, is the Xbox turning ON at least when you go into it in your TV menu? Do other aspects of the UI control with your remote?

It's odd that some people have HALF this problem and others have the other HALF. It's 100% a widespread bug.

get a better tv and a harmony remote.

I have a HARMONY but this gen I want the features that are THERE in the SETTINGS like the fucking thing TURNING ON with HDMI-CEC to work.

Instead of being a fucking smartass about it, you should want everyone to have the correct experience on their machine. Some people are such simps for a brand that they want to denigrate anyone that says "BOO" about their favorite machine... FFS many people have this issue with Series X and it's HDMI-CEC integration, this is a WIDESPREAD BUG we want it FIXED. We're not saying the machine is BAD, we're saying we want a BUG FIXED.

 

[Javthusiast]

I used all my media apps on ps4 with the controller, easy peasy.

 

[jaysius]

I used all my media apps on ps4 with the controller, easy peasy.

How is it working on your Series X?

 

[VincentMatts]

They won't LOOK if you don't FILE THE BUG. REPORT THE BUG properly if you have this issue, don't try to DISCOURAGE people from doing so.

They do look, I posted on reddit the problem I was having with my external expansion card and a MS employee that same day got in contact with me. He told me they already had internal reports on the issue and will fix it in an upcoming FW update. They do internal tests, they don't just rely on regular people to find bugs...

The only difference reporting it does is make them see how prevalent the issue is. The more people enter bugs, the more widespread the problem is.

But ultimately, they will always fix the bigger issues first (like crashes). This issue although annoying, isnt game breaking.

 

[Javthusiast]

How is it working on your Series X?

Use them all with a controller on Series S, easy peasy.

 

[jaysius]

Use them all with a controller on Series S, easy peasy.

Do you mean REMOTE CONTROL like the one that turns your TV on and off, or the CONTROLLER like what you play games with?

 

[Javthusiast]

Do you mean REMOTE CONTROL like the one that turns your TV on and off, or the CONTROLLER like what you play games with?

The games one. Never used tv remotes on consoles.

 

[dottme]

I think Xbox One X has CEC. It can power on/power off my TV. However, it doesn’t switch the channel and so I still need to find my TV remote to change the input.
Does the XSX/XSS switch the input automatically?

 

[DeepEnigma]

CEC is shit on everything, such a piece of shit mixed up bag of dicks of a "standard"

Yep. HDMI handshaking in general has been crap for years now. You can even have two of the same brands which should handshaking seamlessly, but then every other day it will sporadically not cooperate and the sound bar will turn on, but then not play sound so you have to manually go back and forth from TV speakers to Audio System, etc..

Much more bandwidth, yet so many bugs and issues with that.

 

[jaysius]

The games one. Never used tv remotes on consoles.

Well your profile icon matches your intelligence.

HDMI-CEC is what allows you to use your TV REMOTE to function on your DEVICE, it's an old feature from 2006 or earlier that makes things much simpler and works almost universally on ALL DEVICES.

Easy peasy.

I get it you're a troll, great posting.

I think Xbox One X has CEC. It can power on/power off my TV. However, it doesn’t switch the channel and so I still need to find my TV remote to change the input.
Does the XSX/XSS switch the input automatically?

When HDMI-CEC is working correctly it should automatically go to the input of the device you just activated. You should file a bug as this is a HDMI-CEC issue.

If you have your device set to NOT turn off everything when you turn it off, the TV you have on SHOULD return to the previous HDMI port that was in use before turning on said device.

Here's a usage case, I turn on my PS4 Pro(has perfectly functional HDMI-CEC) the TV is off, my AVR is off, it turns on my TV and my AVR and all of those things instantly go to the correct port, regardless of what was previously used(usually port 3 for my cable box) when I turn off my PS4 Pro the TV goes back to HDMI Port 3.

 

[Slashinghook]

I always turn CEC off. Can’t believe actually use it. It’s horrible.

 

[Javthusiast]

Well your profile icon matches your intelligence.

HDMI-CEC is what allows you to use your TV REMOTE to function on your DEVICE, it's an old feature from 2006 or earlier that makes things much simpler and works almost universally on ALL DEVICES.

Easy peasy.

And you obviously can't use a game controller, cause it would be so hard and inconvenient. First world problems.

 

[jaysius]

And you obviously can't use a game controller, cause it would be so hard and inconvenient. First world problems.

This is about FIXING a bug. EASY PEASY.