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[the_master]

It is shocking ro see that everything is cooler with the plates out.
I hope we get more clarity on this

 

[Aceofspades]

Great test, its assuring that APU heat dissipation is excellent. Also PS5 acouestics are fantastic.

 

[Agnostic2020]

The thing is,we don't see what frequency ps5 was running at start and through the duration of his tests.

See this is when I tell u ,u shouldn't be talking about tech. It is running at max allowable power draw which is around 230 watt .that means both are at max frequency for such high draw .talk about games more . That's wiser rather than spreading uneducated fud

 

[Yoboman]

Yes, yes. It's still in the safe range (there is also the fact that the reading is a couple degrees off, as the test isn't 100% accurate). I'm also not really worried as I'm sure that Sony has stress tested this enough under various conditions, but this still needs to be improved with the next revision.

And the side panels need to go for the next revision, if they're actually hindering cooling performance, as well.

Would casing generally not be a hindrance compared to a system fully exposed? To be expected that fully exposed fans like that would provide way better cooling. I'm sure any system runs much cooler with its case removed

But not realistic to see that one a mass market system. The fins are probably as good a compromise as you'll see

 

[anothertech]

See this is when I tell u ,u shouldn't be talking about tech. It is running at max allowable power draw which is around 230 watt .that means both are at max frequency for such high draw .talk about games more . That's wiser rather than spreading uneducated fud

From his responses he hasn't even watched the thing lol.

 

[EventHorizon]

Ouch, I thought the panels were supposed to help cooling

A 5c drop is bigly, especially if your mem is hitting 95c.

Tbh, I don't quite get why Sony when with them? So they can sell more accessories

The panels are there to prevent people from obstructing airflow.

So far I don't think this is going to be a thermal issue for the PS5, but I do think Sony will have to increase the fan speed. Steve noted that there appears to be quite a bit of head room to increase air flow. Sony's has said that they will be monitoring games and updating the fan curve appropriately. They are likely pushing thermals as far as they can to keep noise levels low.

 

[bender]

Ideally I'd love to see measurements from all of the memory modules and from another PS5 just for comparison purposes but the design is worrisome as are the readings. He mentioned a +/- 10 degree variance is possible since he's reading the module casing. Either way that is cooking (84-104 degrees based on his high if 94).

 

[Endless Fluff]

Would casing generally not be a hindrance compared to a system fully exposed? To be expected that fully exposed fans like that would provide way better cooling. I'm sure any system runs much cooler with its case removed

But not realistic to see that one a mass market system. The fins are probably as good a compromise as you'll see

The issue here is not that the fan can't take in fresh air, it's that the casing in itself is dissipating heat which gets trapped between the outer shell and the console itself heating up the console. This is also without expandable storage, which will heat up the space between shell and console a bit more.

I would love to see a PS5 slim without shells, so the casing can "breath" freely.

But on the other hand is the fact that the temps are all fine. 70°C for the APU isn't bad at all, MOSFETs and VRMs are all okay, it's just the memory that's hot.

 

[jroc74]

Haven't seen the video yet, just reading comments, but could it be because of thermal pads on the memory?

I replaced those on my Pro, and it might have helped. Asking this because it could be just a production, manufacturing thing.

 

[TheDreadLord]

So during Summer we will see a bunch of PS5 dying or presenting graphic artifacts on screen.

 

[Radical_3d]

What a cheapskate design, Sony. What I'm I supposed to expect of those memory modules from my PS5 in the hot Spanish summer?

 

[Pimpbaa]

I'm all for a little extra noise from the fan if it helped with memory cooling. Rather have a noisy (or a slightly audible) console than a dead one.

 

[STARSBarry]

93C memory is really hot for a clean console in a 68-73F environment. Once dust starts clogging and summer heatwaves hit that's almost definitely going to exceed 100C and start shutting down. I wonder if this is expected or if something went wrong in mass manufacturing.

Just so you know computer components are not water, they don't hit 100 and suddenly they start to boil over, as is stated in the video these can go to 125-150 Celsius depending on spec without issue.

EDIT: I have been informed that these where diffrent components being discussed at the time, however the newer model AMD cards run over this 100C limit as part of standard operation, potentially there is still headroom above the 100C limit.

 

[ToadMan]

The thing is,we don't see what frequency ps5 was running at start and through the duration of his tests.

Frequency is irrelevant - the power draw is at max. That tells all anyone who understands this what they need to know.

Im sure you have more questions lol

 

[jroc74]

And it's amusing that for some now the shift is from overheating gpu...to the memory generating heat.

From the video title I was expecting something much worse, lol

 

[Gen.Grievous]

Runs hot but within spec I don't see the issue.

It is shocking ro see that everything is cooler with the plates out.
I hope we get more clarity on this

How is that shocking to see? If you remove panels from a PC case it tends to run cooler. Panels obstruct airflow. Better airflow is better cooling.

 

[kuncol02]

It’s obviously not positive with the video headline of “Weak Design: PS5 Thermals, Cooling, and Noise Levels”.

It’s VERY worth noting that this guy is a pompous ass who basically finds fault with everything and revels in negativity.

I don't know why, but I'm pretty sure that if that vide

 

[longdi]

Frequency is irrelevant - the power draw is at max. That tells all anyone who understands this what they need to know.

Im sure you have more questions lol

Correct me if I'm wrong, but since when was it confirmed that 230w is ps5 max power draw?

 

[Endless Fluff]

People shouldn't worry about this too much.

Even if this turns into a problem down the line, Sony has options.

Increasing fan speeds to push more air through the case (the fan can draw 20-30 watts), jet engine 2.0.
Release shells with holes (free for early adopters), to release the trapped heat.

Just so you know computer components are not water, they don't hit 100 and suddenly they start to boil over, as is stated in the video these can go to 125-150 Celsius depending on spec without issue.

VRMs and MOSFETs have a thermal limit of 150°C, the memory does not. It's close to thermal limit, however this was measured at the casing. The die itself could be cooler (or hotter).

Haven't seen the video yet, just reading comments, but could it be because of thermal pads on the memory?

I replaced those on my Pro, and it might have helped. Asking this because it could be just a production, manufacturing thing.

He was complaining about the thermal pads. Bigger thermal pads could improve temps, yes.

 

[ToadMan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but since when was it confirmed that 230w is ps5 max power draw?

Since multiple tests have been run - including this one - that show it limited to that max power consumption.

Power consumption is managed by the PS5 firmware. It cannot go beyond the cap - if the system tried to exceed the cap, the system would down clock.

If the system is below the cap, it won’t down clock.

Since the games run with acceptable performance, if any down clocking is occurring it is irrelevant. The system is using the max power it can consume - the clocks are balanced to maintain that max power draw.

 

[TriSuit666]

Console peons wanting to play in the PCMR space and thinking they won't attract groups like GN.

Yes, Tech Jesus can be by his own admission 'cynical', but I think his take on most things is pretty well-balanced and reasoned, and GN's investigations has led to multiple companies changing their products for the better.

Anyhoo, allow the man himself to deal with any 'haterz'.

 

[DonJorginho]

Some people are REALLY exposing the fact they didn't watch the actual video and only read the title with their drive-by attempts.

 

[geordiemp]

It is shocking ro see that everything is cooler with the plates out.
I hope we get more clarity on this

Its shocking that ignorant people say stupid things and dont understand electronics.

The fan is not fixed, it has a curve, and can be easily modified to negate the panel resistance if Sony so desire with such high dB headroom and would only be needed if sony thought some of the memory was too near the high end.

The SOC is cooled nicely, so its down to memory temp which is in specification but can be adjusted vs fan speed via software update.

 

[rofif]

Some people are REALLY exposing the fact they didn't watch the actual video and only read the title with their drive-by attempts.

that should not matter too much if the title was not click bait but it is.
The only thing Steve exposed as weak are memory temps

 

[LivingD3AD]

tl;dr?

+ Pretty quiet
+ Pretty power efficient
+ Decent SoC temps
- Poor memory temps
- Side panels raise temps by ~5 deg Celsius

 

[STARSBarry]

VRMs and MOSFETs have a thermal limit of 150°C, the memory does not. It's close to thermal limit, however this was measured at the casing. The die itself could be cooler (or hotter).

Thanks I missed that, suboptimal is right though, I wonder if there will be a slight revision on the plate going forward, additional heat pipe's leading to a radiator would go a long way in just keeping them below the threshold.

 

[DForce]

I don't think the memory temps are a real issue. The memory on RX 5700 cards ran very hot, too. I think if there was a real issue, then they would increase the fan speed in future updates.

 

[M1chl]

Well at least, don't really put you PS5 to a drawer or something. It's really interesting, that all those artifacts looked like from memory issue. It could be within the spec, however memory, like always is a lottery.

 

[Md Ray]

tl;dr?

Summary? Can't watch on mobile.

Anyway, GN while good, tends to have a superiority complex, their results are but a reference for their suite of tests.

and Steve talks for too long without focus

It’s obviously not positive with the video headline of “Weak Design: PS5 Thermals, Cooling, and Noise Levels”.

It’s VERY worth noting that this guy is a pompous ass who basically finds fault with everything and revels in negativity.


But I won’t personally be watching a 37 minute long nitpicking of the internal components of the PS5.

As long as the games are good and the thing doesn’t explode, I’ll be happy.

and now the hardware boasting from the past week comes to an end since the ps5 has a weak design according to this channel. well cerny

I'd also appreciate a summary, or an article. I don't care to watch a long video on thermals and sound. I do appreciate a good test kit though, and it seems like they're doing it the right way.

Added summary to the OP. Sorry for the delay.

 

[Md Ray]

I wonder if Steve will test SX thermals too? Or has he done so already?

It's coming too.

 

[Md Ray]

Great video. Really did some deep dive there.

The responses are equally entertaining. You can tell who didn't watch the video lolol. Talk about concern trolling shit posts.

Dam clickbait title tho

They changed it from "Weak Design" to "Weak Cooler Design".

 

[prinz_valium]

Thank good he pointed out how bad all those other console temperature tests using a thermal camera are.
This is how you do stuff.

 

[Thirty7ven]

He just doesn’t give anyone a reason why we should be worried about the mem temps.

 

[-Arcadia-]

I had no idea internals on anything tech got that hot, which apparently, other than the memory module, quite commonplace from a quick search.

I guess it makes sense. It’s not a human being. But temps of 150 F and higher inside these things is crazy to me, from the perspective of just feeling moderately warm air coming out.

 

[LeftThumbstick]

Xbox fanboys so desperate for anything to stop the current trend of PS5 shitting on the Series X in every single way.

This would be good if it Shit on Xbox in every way, but that’s far from the truth.

Does it shit on it with 120fps backwards compatible support for Warzone and Rocket League? No. Xbox has vastly superior BC altogether. The Dirt devs have already came out saying there are problems with the Xbox version to be fixed soon.

Also, the value of Gamepss shits all over PS as well, as in proudly stands above it and dumps all over the PS. The differences in tech analysis between the games has been minimal at best too.

 

[thelastword]

Great job all round by Sony. Hopefully they make slight adjustments to the memory pads in their next hardware revision.....There is no issue really, but more thorough pad coverage is always better.....

 

[Senua]

He just doesn’t give anyone a reason why we should be worried about the mem temps.

heat bad/bad heat. heat + bad = heat bad

 

[Senua]

It’s obviously not positive with the video headline of “Weak Design: PS5 Thermals, Cooling, and Noise Levels”.

It’s VERY worth noting that this guy is a pompous ass who basically finds fault with everything and revels in negativity.


But I won’t personally be watching a 37 minute long nitpicking of the internal components of the PS5.

As long as the games are good and the thing doesn’t explode, I’ll be happy.

Yea this channel exposing weakness in hardware isn't for you then. Stick to IGN

 

[llien]

Impressive power consumption and efficiency relative to the output in terms of the graphics capabilities, frame-rate, and overall perf is significanly higher than past devices, kudos to AMD for the SoC design.

I'd appreciate concrete figure.

 

[geordiemp]

I had no idea internals on anything tech got that hot, which apparently, other than the memory module, quite commonplace from a quick search.

I guess it makes sense. It’s not a human being. But temps of 150 F and higher inside these things is crazy to me, from the perspective of just feeling moderately warm air coming out.

Peopl eneed to look at other trests to put things in perspective

 

[TheDude108]

I wouldn’t be too concerned about this. Sony will have tested the system within and inch of its life before shipping. It’s not like they got all the components together, stuck it in and box and said ‘done’. It will have been tested in the worst case scenarios to ensure it still works.

 

[Audiophile]

Custom plates with slats in would be cool.

 

[Lysandros]

Great test, its assuring that APU heat dissipation is excellent. Also PS5 acouestics are fantastic.

Do you agree with the 'weak cooling design' statement?

 

[pratyush]

So I watched the whole video and apart from one memory module ( which might run cooler as they dont have access to on die temperature) rest runs cool enough with minimum noise from fan.

So where is weak design part coming from?

 

[Thirty7ven]

heat bad/bad heat. heat + bad = heat bad

But why are the mem temps bad? Realistically speaking, we are talking about what? It’s so bad everyone will start having problems or is this “benchmark bad” where... it could be cooler, but there’s nothing wrong with it?

 

[STARSBarry]

I wouldn’t be too concerned about this. Sony will have tested the system within and inch of its life before shipping. It’s not like they got all the components together, stuck it in and box and said ‘done’. It will have been tested in the worst case scenarios to ensure it still works.

Microsoft did this knowingly during the 360 era and blamed the consumer, telling them that it was just a "perceived" issue and that faults where no more likely than any other electronic device. That was up until the courts got involved and Microsoft where legally forced to extend there warrenty to 5 years after they found that cooling simply was not adequate and the system was "cooking" leading to the dreaded red ring of death at an almost unheard of rate within main stream branded electronics.

So despite owning a PS5, let me just press the point that companies will and do, do this just for slightly more profit per unit sold.

 

[captainraincoat]

Thermal limit for GDDR6 is 100°C, the memory in PS5 hits around 95°C with a 21-22°C ambient temp.


No, but I do wonder if you'll have to during a hot summer day. Reminds me of the good old PC days where we had to take side panels off and had fans blow on the PC.

hot days are one thing...but dust is going to be an even bigger factor

 

[Aceofspades]

Do you agree with the 'weak cooling design' statement?

I liked the test because it shows data, I liked the mythology used although GN stated that they couldn't get accurate measurements for all components.

I liked that the highly clocked APU was kept cool (which is the most important thing) , the console being dead silent . Most of GN complains was about MEM temps which I trust Sony engineers to have done their homework on it. All in all, pretty good results because Im sure PS5 is scoring great points where it matters most, also I believe it will be very reliable machine.

So I don't agree with his statement about "weak cooling design" but I admired his test mythology used.

 

[GreyHand23]

Good job overall by GamersNexus but extreme clickbait title is not appreciated. None of their analysis actually justifies the title.

 

[Allnamestakenlol]

What a click-baity title.