BlitzerRadic
Member
LOL you are out of your mind. There is no affirmative defense for armed robbery. A jury would have no choice but to find guilty.
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PS5 scalping ring has no regrets, draws huge backlash
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LOL you are out of your mind. There is no affirmative defense for armed robbery. A jury would have no choice but to find guilty.
Handy Fake
Member
Surprised at that comment, chief.
Sony supplies to retailers.
Not really a great deal can be done after that.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Hustle harder.
Ravix
Member
Wait really? That's hilarious.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
I'm just going to wait until 2021 to get my PS5.
MaestroMike
Gold Member
3,500 PS5s out of 1 million PS5s is 0.35%, less than 1%. If they sold each for like $900, thats $3,150,000 and a profit of $1,400,000.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Makes sense why they don't regret it.
The demand for ps5 will stay high till we are in the pandemic .. everyone is stuck at home...
Sejan
Member
That’s why I added the parenthetical note about crazy prices. People get dumb buying the hot new item for way too much money every year. The demand will still be there after Christmas yes, but the appetite for overpriced items will start to fall off. The profit margin for scalping will fall and it’ll begin to be easier to find them at (or closer to) MSRP relatively soon. Stock will be low for months, but things will definitely start getting better after Christmas.
Fox Mulder
Member
Of course they don’t regret it. They made some profit and get to laugh at all the retards crying about them like they’re hoarding vital medical supplies.
Just wait a few months to buy one.
Just wait a few months to buy one.
ReBurn
Gold Member
It will stay high until supply catches up, just like it always does. Fewer people are stuck at home than 6 months ago. It's not the pandemic driving this. it's scarcity and seasonality.
MrFunSocks
Banned
All this crying over not being able to buy your desired gaming toy on day 1 lol. Just so, so amazing to watch lol.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Mobilemofo
Member
Would happily kick the fuck out of scalpers. .happily. that way, they can go home with a nice beat down.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
Morality isn't relative.
Kagey K
Banned
And you can happily live your life with a nice criminal record, over a video game system.
How fucking retarded.
Kagey K
Banned
Is it immoral for your employer to charge over 3X per hour what he is paying you?
Isn’t he scalping your talent?
How is that not immoral?
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
They will give a shit when it turns out that they didn't get as many PS+ subscribers as they hoped.
Kagey K
Banned
The ones that buy from scalpers are going to be 1.5 to 2 times more insufferable, because their buy in was that much higher and it makes them that many times more entitled.The less people that have a PS5 the better , have you ever tried to have a conversation with a PS5 owner on this board ? Near impossible...
/sarcasm
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Shai-Tan
Banned
the moral argument
it's only becoming big on consumer electronics starting this year. there's a lot of inertia on changing storefronts so it might take a while. that said, even sites that do it right like Valve, with Valve Index have super long waiting lists anyway so no matter what you do if you don't produce enough product there will be a lot of disappointed people
the argument against scalping is that it's an unproductive economic activity. they're not efficiently allocating anything - they're profit taking with technology like when those predatory high speed traders on stock exchanges that were fucking normal people because they could buy stocks out from under them before there was rate limiting preventing it
edit: should add that when there's a shortage of products like gas or whatever if there is some kind of stock of that elsewhere, the argument in favor of it is that it provides the incentive for people from outside the immediate market to spend extra $$ to meet the demand, otherwise you just get shortage. doesn't quite work for a product that has a fixed availability unless the it would help the producer itself in some way to produce more products.
it's only becoming big on consumer electronics starting this year. there's a lot of inertia on changing storefronts so it might take a while. that said, even sites that do it right like Valve, with Valve Index have super long waiting lists anyway so no matter what you do if you don't produce enough product there will be a lot of disappointed people
the argument against scalping is that it's an unproductive economic activity. they're not efficiently allocating anything - they're profit taking with technology like when those predatory high speed traders on stock exchanges that were fucking normal people because they could buy stocks out from under them before there was rate limiting preventing it
edit: should add that when there's a shortage of products like gas or whatever if there is some kind of stock of that elsewhere, the argument in favor of it is that it provides the incentive for people from outside the immediate market to spend extra $$ to meet the demand, otherwise you just get shortage. doesn't quite work for a product that has a fixed availability unless the it would help the producer itself in some way to produce more products.
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CZY
Member
Day 1 was weeks ago already, and there's no end in sight for this debacle.
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hemo memo
Gold Member
No. It is a gray area and it should be 100% illegal. Pre-ordering an extra PS5 to gift/give to a family member/friend/colleague that you decided to sell later on is fine but using bots to buy that many PS5 to sell at ridiculously high prices in a pandemic?? They should go in jail.
Kagey K
Banned
Is this a console only rule or does it apply to everything across the board?
How can you apply a law to only one consumer good “a kids one” at that and not look at other industries that have it.
At least with consoles you can get one eventually, with Shoes once they are gone that is it.
You want them to regulate an essentially limitless industry over one where there are actually limited finite resources?
MrFunSocks
Banned
TheDreadLord
Member
Retailers are in the wrong here. They have rules for these pre-orders but they don’t seem to put much effort in protecting their customers. Next time just look for a retailers that gives a shit to its consumers.
IfuckinghateReddit
Banned
People who are okay with this are scalpers.
GrayFoxPL
Member
And eventually a shank under ribs.
Kagey K
Banned
People who aren’t ok with this didn’t get a system at MSRP at launch.
What difference does it make in the long run?
OutRun88
Member
I wonder what it feels like to leech off society while providing nothing of value back. I guess I could ask one of these scalpers, because lord knows they aren’t claiming these sales on tax returns.
Retailers can’t go without blame either. They could easily implement systems or policies to prevent or limit scalping.
Retailers can’t go without blame either. They could easily implement systems or policies to prevent or limit scalping.
sandkiller
Member
They do it because people buy them. Obvious but also the crux of the matter... don't buy it. Easy.
Of course its the retailers as the first line I understand that. But I have to think the manufacturer could put pressure on retailers to ensure they have appropriate controls in place to limit such schemes.
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hemo memo
Gold Member
Using bots to buy products online should be illegal for everything.
supernova8
Banned
Yeah we have original (limited edition) products on sale (we make them, it's not scalping of course) but we put them up for lottery and then go through the lottery and (partly manually) review and remove any entries that look suspect.
Specifically we know exactly when our lottery is live so we can see which entries are far too fast to have been done by humans, and we just reject all of them, close their accounts and also block the IP address if they are stupid enough not to use a VPN. A few of the people in our team do a mock order before we put the products live to see how long it takes us to order (adding a few seconds to account for the server likely being slow to respond when it is live) and then we have a handle on roughly how long after products are live that a customer ought to be able to realistically finish placing an order/an entry.
We have it in our terms of service that using bots to game the system is against the terms and will result in account closure, as well as efforts by us to close any future accounts they attempt to open (we put their names, address and other info on a blacklist).
Our site is relatively small and we're not exactly on the scale of Amazon, Walmart, Best Buy etc, but I don't really think it's that hard to combat this stuff if they actually made an effort.
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ResilientBanana
Member
Just don’t buy from them.
Blood Borne
Member
Regret for making money?
People are just salty/envious.
People are just salty/envious.
Blood Borne
Member
Wow. That’s a pretty definite statement to make. Care to expound on how morality isn’t subjective.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
Blitzmangoman
Member
That one guy with the "fuck your feelings" quote was apparently doxxed and then robbed. Anyone else read that? I call that Karma, lol.
Oh found this?
Oh found this?
Redlancet
Banned
lol if you thik this is only a "gamer" thing...
ZywyPL
Banned
Of course they don't, those consoles will eventually land in the customers hands, but for now they get instant boost of cash that will look so nice in their Q4 earning reports, so why should they complain? In the long term, they lose absolutely nothing.
vito_don_corleone_
Banned
Relax.
If it's true that PS5 launch was 2.5M units, those 3500 is literally drop in the ocean.
And tell me please how would Sony prevent or comment on this? What would they say? We are sorry for the capitalism to exist and some people being greedy? Your comment seems like fanboy attack on Sony...
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Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
There aren't any good games on these systems anyways. Just wait until next year. If they're still scalping, I'll be right behind you with my machete in hand.
(not really)
(not really)
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michaelius
Banned
It's the same as with microtransaction in Fifa or NBA - people buy them at those prices so there's someone to take advantage of them.
I see two ways to combat them- first hit them with tax authorities - if they have to pay profit tax it would reduce profitability of whole bussiness.
Shops should increase number of bundles - so if stock is low then start selling PS5 with second controler and bunch of games only. It won't hurt gamers that much but might reduce profitability of reselling or make them risk staying with some crap.
I see two ways to combat them- first hit them with tax authorities - if they have to pay profit tax it would reduce profitability of whole bussiness.
Shops should increase number of bundles - so if stock is low then start selling PS5 with second controler and bunch of games only. It won't hurt gamers that much but might reduce profitability of reselling or make them risk staying with some crap.