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[ripeavocado]

DISCLAIMER: this thread is not about Cyberpunk, if you want to discuss the provided example fine, but that's it.

During my years on the internet I have always had the feeling that many people in heated topics and communities are lying even to themselves and in most cases they are not even aware of it.

The clusterfuck of the Cyberpunk 2077 release gave us a perfect example of an internet mass delusion.

Few days ago a redditor discovered a CSV file in the game folder and thought that by changing it he could fix one alleged very dumb performance bottleneck of the game.

I have personally seen dozens if not hundreds people in different communities and websites confirming that changing that changing that CSV file dramatically improved their performance in the game.

Well CD Projekt has just released the latest patch where they say that it has no effect whatsoever in the game.

So it was placebo effect, but in this context the victims of placebo are the same people that you see posting about bugs, performance issues, technical details and so on... presenting their opinions as truth and willing to defend them until death.

So the lesson is: don't trust anyone on the internet, not even yourself.

 

[TheMay30thMan]

Can we start gifting diaries to everyone that feels the need to make a new thread with their “unique” take on The Cyberpunk hubbub?

 

[The_Mike]

Can we start gifting diaries to everyone that feels the need to make a new thread with their “unique” take on The Cyberpunk hubbub?

My feelings about subject xy is so strong that its a fact and therefore should have my own thread to get noticed on how amazing my brain is.

 

[baphomet]

You're telling me a random guy on reddit doesn't know more about programming Cyberpunk than the Cyberpunk devs?

I, for one, am shocked.

 

[bender]

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[GHG]

The placebo happened because when you first boot up the game you get a temporary performance boost.

The performance progressively gets worse the longer you play the game on PC. There's a memory leak of some sort.

 

[Fredrik]

Lol glad I never fiddled with that.
And yeah, I think if it weren’t for the DF videos a lot of people would have no idea a game is running at dynamic resolution, I know I wouldn’t. I was so wowed by watching 4K demo videos on my new 4K TV, it was awesome, and then I found out the Youtube app ran everything at 1080p

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

I love the clusterfuck. Already ppl on facebook groups are selling it at $40 to get some money back from physical copies.

P.S. before anyone says why dont they just get a refund from a store: Not everyone lives in US or higher up European city. In asia they couldn't give 2 shits about your purchase once you made it at a local store.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

You're telling me a random guy on reddit doesn't know more about programming Cyberpunk than the Cyberpunk devs?

I, for one, am shocked.

There was that one guy who removed or fixed one line of code in Aliens: Colonial Marines years after and it worked, though.

For a second, I thought this was another case of that lol.

 

[kraspkibble]

The placebo happened because when you first boot up the game you get a temporary performance boost.

The performance progressively gets worse the longer you play the game on PC. There's a memory leak of some sort.

not experienced that. i've been reguarly playing for 5-8 hours at a time on PC.

 

[Rikkori]

It's always the same. People just don't know what testing/troubleshooting is. Last year when the 5700 driver issues were getting meme'd you'd see almost a constant daily barrage of people finding out they were actually idiots and the drivers weren't to blame, but instead it was they... used $15 PSUs, put the GPU in the wrong slot (lol), put the hdmi in the igpu instead of the gpu, ran single-channel ram, kept both Nvidia & AMD drivers on at the same time, ran the system with SSD 99% full (sigh), and on and on.. Meanwhile before they found out what their actual problem was they were all too happy to blame AMD.

Same with games a lot of the times, like some moron earlier was complaining in a CP2077 topic about his PC running too hot while playing the game, and he blame the game not his dumb ass setup - wtf? Alas, people are just fucking DUMB.

 

[GHG]

not experienced that. i've been reguarly playing for 5-8 hours at a time on PC.

I have and plenty of other people are.

Next you'll tell me the game has no bugs right?

 

[WalterSobchak]

Can we start gifting diaries to everyone that feels the need to make a new thread with their “unique” take on The Cyberpunk hubbub?

Yeah , it's a bit absurd . Soon I can see courtroom dolls being brought in for extra sensitive types.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

OP that's why i only drink Springwater for years now (not bottled).

I have and plenty of other people are.

Next you'll tell me the game has no bugs right?

Don't believe in anything

not even yourself...

 

[Life]

We've reached that stage where people are still posting about the same game - but not using it in the title. I remember this shit with TLOU2.

 

[Boss Mog]

During my years on the internet I have always had the feeling that many people in heated topic and community are lying even to themselves and in most cases they are not even aware of it.

The clusterfuck of the Cyberpunk 2077 release gave us a perfect example of an internet mass delusion.

Few days ago a redditor discovered a CSV file in the game folder and thought that by changing it he could fix one alleged very dumb performance bottleneck of the game.

I have personally seen dozens if not hundreds people in different communities and websites confirming that changing that changing that CSV file dramatically improved their performance in the game.

Well CD Projekt has just released the latest patch where they say that it has no effect whatsoever in the game.

So it was placebo effect, but in this context the victims of placebo are the same people that you see posting about bugs, performance issues, technical details and so on... presenting their opinions as truth and willing to defend them until death.

So the lesson is: don't trust anyone in the internet, not even yourself.

I love how your argument about not trusting anyone is based on trusting CDPR.

 

[Bryank75]

I love how your argument about not trusting anyone is based on trusting CDPR.

So, you don't trust him about not trusting anyone on the internet.

Looks like OP didn't think this one through and snookered himself.

 

[ColonialRaptor]

I have and plenty of other people are.

Next you'll tell me the game has no bugs right?

I’ve been playing for 5 - 8 hours also and I haven’t run into many bugs. Realistically nothing more than any other game. Legitimately I’ve not seen much of anything since I moved over to pc.

on Ps5 it was pretty terrible though.

 

[ripeavocado]

Can we start gifting diaries to everyone that feels the need to make a new thread with their “unique” take on The Cyberpunk hubbub?

This is not about cyberpunk, I am only quoting an example.

Next time read the op before posting.

 

[Jada]

Can we start gifting diaries to everyone that feels the need to make a new thread with their “unique” take on The Cyberpunk hubbub?

It’s the biggest scandal in gaming history. Then fall of a celebrated developer in such ignominious fashion will have people discussing this for years, I’m guessing. This is as big as catching someone of Lebron’s caliber making bets on games. It’s that huge.

The rise and fall of CPDR is one for the history books.

 

[nush]

Can we start gifting diaries to everyone that feels the need to make a new thread with their “unique” take on The Cyberpunk hubbub?

 

[ripeavocado]

My feelings about subject xy is so strong that its a fact and therefore should have my own thread to get noticed on how amazing my brain is.

why so salty? Are you one of the people that thought there was a performance boost?

You're telling me a random guy on reddit doesn't know more about programming Cyberpunk than the Cyberpunk devs?

I, for one, am shocked.

Well it's not about knowing the game code, it's about literally fooling themselves with placebo.

The placebo happened because when you first boot up the game you get a temporary performance boost.

The performance progressively gets worse the longer you play the game on PC. There's a memory leak of some sort.

Assuming everyone has this bug and that for some reason they were all and only comparing a fresh start with a game that had been running for hours then, why couldn't they consider this problem?
If they wrote that it means they were not aware of the performance degradation otherwise they would have compared the game in the exact same conditions

Lol glad I never fiddled with that.
And yeah, I think if it weren’t for the DF videos a lot of people would have no idea a game is running at dynamic resolution, I know I wouldn’t. I was so wowed by watching 4K demo videos on my new 4K TV, it was awesome, and then I found out the Youtube app ran everything at 1080p

Don't let me start with resolution above 60fps!

Someone should do some academic research on this, I am sure the results will be fun!

I love how your argument about not trusting anyone is based on trusting CDPR.

Loading those kinds of settings using a CSV file would be extremely odd for any developer and guess what, The Witcher 3 doesn't use it.

It's not just trusting them is that so many unlikely things have to happen to make them liars (in this case)

 

[The_Mike]

why so salty? Are you one of the people that thought there was a performance boost?

No I never believed in Cerny's secret sauce.

Can you show me where in the post I'm salty about your blog post?

 

[Dampf]

I’ve been playing for 5 - 8 hours also and I haven’t run into many bugs. Realistically nothing more than any other game. Legitimately I’ve not seen much of anything since I moved over to pc.

on Ps5 it was pretty terrible though.

The memory leak issue is real, I tested it scientifically. You may not notice if you have let's say 85 FPS on a fresh game load and 67 FPS in the same area after a while if you have vsync on and capped to 60 FPS. But it is there, and on rigs where every frame counts its a serious issue.

 

[Fredrik]

Don't let me start with resolution above 60fps!

Someone should do some academic research on this, I am sure the results will be fun!

Framerate is fun to talk about, it’ll be very interesting to see the discussions once we all have VRR capable TVs
In short, framerate counters was a mistake. As a PC gamer with gsync since 5+ years back I really couldn’t care less how much the framerate fluctuates as long as it looks smooth, might be 70 or 110, essentially looks the same But currently in DF threads people have heated discussions about differences at 100+ fps.

 

[Denton]

The performance progressively gets worse the longer you play the game on PC. There's a memory leak of some sort.

When does this leak kick in? I have been playing for 6 hours without pause yesterday and got no performance hit. Stable 60fps all the way through.

 

[GHG]

When does this leak kick in? I have been playing for 6 hours without pause yesterday and got no performance hit. Stable 60fps all the way through.

For me it varies.

Sometimes it happens after an hour or so, sometimes longer, sometimes it doesn't. Most often it comes about after driving across large stretches of the map. If I fast travel or have to reload a save because of dying it doesn't seem to happen.

Others are discussing the issue here:

Cyberpunk 2077 :: Steam Community

steamcommunity.com

And here:

 

[Dampf]

When does this leak kick in? I have been playing for 6 hours without pause yesterday and got no performance hit. Stable 60fps all the way through.

It happens pretty quickly if you have RTX on, a 6 or 8 GB card and if you are on busy sections of the game like little China market.

It happens slowly or not at all when rtx is off and you are around less busy sections of the game.

Keep in mind you can still have 60 FPS with memory leak. Just as I said earlier, you won't notice fps going down from 85 fps to 64 due to memory leak if you have 60 fps lock.

 

[GametimeUK]

So the lesson is: don't trust anyone in the internet, not even yourself.

But you just said don't trust people on the internet so that includes CDPR. CSV file was true confirmed.

 

[kretos]

 

[ripeavocado]

Framerate is fun to talk about, it’ll be very interesting to see the discussions once we all have VRR capable TVs
In short, framerate counters was a mistake. As a PC gamer with gsync since 5+ years back I really couldn’t care less how much the framerate fluctuates as long as it looks smooth, might be 70 or 110, essentially looks the same But currently in DF threads people have heated discussions about differences at 100+ fps.

Indeed some people ignore frame pacing issuues as long as the counter is above 30 or 60, it's mind Boggling

But you just said don't trust people on the internet so that includes CDPR. CSV file was true confirmed.

I explained that earlier, having that kind of options on a CSV file like that doesn't make any sense.

 

[Dibils2k]

just look at anytime there is TV firmware update, there will be bunch convinced the picture improved

i remember anytime PES got an update, people on forums kept saying gameplay was a huge improvement then i would try it and its same shit...

placebo is a strong thing and people fool themselves way too often

 

[buenoblue]

What about the amd smt fix?

 

[Kuranghi]

Lol glad I never fiddled with that.
And yeah, I think if it weren’t for the DF videos a lot of people would have no idea a game is running at dynamic resolution, I know I wouldn’t. I was so wowed by watching 4K demo videos on my new 4K TV, it was awesome, and then I found out the Youtube app ran everything at 1080p

A 1080p TV demo will almost always look much better than your average 4K video, because the source itself is so much higher quality before it go to youtube. I have TV demos here that last about 60 seconds and they are nearly a 1GB, so you aren't really that silly imo.

 

[reinking]

 

[AJUMP23]

I have not fooled myself ever. Fool me once shame on you fool me twice......can’t get fooled again.

 

[Bragr]

This happens with every topic, look how many are complaining about The Last of Us 2 because they saw a YouTube video on it, or how many complain about Nintendo and their child games without owning a Switch. It's all a big joke and we are just clowns and fools.

 

[UltimaKilo]

We seriously need to do something about these threads. Pretty soon threads will read "I think the best day is Wednesday"

 

[ColonialRaptor]

The memory leak issue is real, I tested it scientifically. You may not notice if you have let's say 85 FPS on a fresh game load and 67 FPS in the same area after a while if you have vsync on and capped to 60 FPS. But it is there, and on rigs where every frame counts its a serious issue.

Probably worth quitting and reloading every few hours then

 

[GrayChild]

I stopped believing anyone on the Internet when people started calling Cyberpunk 2077 a dissapointment.

 

[MrS]

Never do anything out of hunger. Not even eating.

 

[BusierDonkey]

I stopped believing anyone on the Internet when people started calling Cyberpunk 2077 a dissapointment.

I stopped believing anyone on the internet after about 5 minutes with my first internet connection in the 90's.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

 

[MeatSafeMurderer]

I explained that earlier, having that kind of options on a CSV file like that doesn't make any sense.

But you just said don't trust people on the internet and you're a person on the internet. CSV file was true confirmed.

 

[TheMay30thMan]

Yeah

This is not about cyberpunk, I am only quoting an example.

Next time read the op before posting.

I did read the op, and I think it would have been more appropriate to share your thoughts with a diary.

 

[Shadowstar39]

DISCLAIMER: this thread is not about Cyberpunk, if you want to discuss the provided example fine, but that's it.

During my years on the internet I have always had the feeling that many people in heated topics and communities are lying even to themselves and in most cases they are not even aware of it.

The clusterfuck of the Cyberpunk 2077 release gave us a perfect example of an internet mass delusion.

Few days ago a redditor discovered a CSV file in the game folder and thought that by changing it he could fix one alleged very dumb performance bottleneck of the game.

I have personally seen dozens if not hundreds people in different communities and websites confirming that changing that changing that CSV file dramatically improved their performance in the game.

Well CD Projekt has just released the latest patch where they say that it has no effect whatsoever in the game.

So it was placebo effect, but in this context the victims of placebo are the same people that you see posting about bugs, performance issues, technical details and so on... presenting their opinions as truth and willing to defend them until death.

So the lesson is: don't trust anyone in the internet, not even yourself.

So true. There is a word for this credulity.

I seen these fixes and thought the memory thing wasnt right as I have afterburner running and it always shows the amount of vram I was using. Also my ryzen cpu which people said wasn't getting used was showing all cores being used in task manager.

Makes me wonder did they even check o it the monitoring programs?

 

[magnumpy]

how dare you! I know some people tell lies on the internet but not mistruths. not like this

 

[Rean no Kiseki]

DISCLAIMER: this thread is not about Cyberpunk, if you want to discuss the provided example fine, but that's it.

The clusterfuck of the Cyberpunk 2077 release gave us a perfect example of an internet mass delusion.

 

[Shadowstar39]

I have and plenty of other people are.

Next you'll tell me the game has no bugs right?

Am 10 to 15 hours in and only bugs I've seen was a few visual glitches. Especially on launch day. Person squatting in mid air in the street in the desert. I died as I hit him and the townsfolk went ballistic and shit me up. I thought it was hilarious.

Only other bug I seen was looking in thr mirror at the apartment. White ring around character with dlss /rt on and no hair. Turn off rt and white rim gone but still showing bald.

Performance has been fine for me on a ryzen 3600, 16gb ddr4, 2060rtx and m2 ssd.
With ultra rtx /dlss balanced getting a low of 35 (in rainy city) to averaging about 55fps and a high of 75 in the desert lands. Usually sticks to 55 to 60 which with ultra settings and full ray tracing is perfectly fine. Couple in my gsync monitor for adaptive sync, and as long as it stays above 30 it feels smooth.

 

[Shadowstar39]

Framerate is fun to talk about, it’ll be very interesting to see the discussions once we all have VRR capable TVs
In short, framerate counters was a mistake. As a PC gamer with gsync since 5+ years back I really couldn’t care less how much the framerate fluctuates as long as it looks smooth, might be 70 or 110, essentially looks the same But currently in DF threads people have heated discussions about differences at 100+ fps.

Yep. The fPS thing is annoying. With gsync on anything above 30 or so seems smooth. I only notice fPS issues when I bump up dsr red and start getting 12 to 20fps at 1440p. I think there is a point where gsync isn't going to matter.

Then again, I come from the old school days of playing wolf3d/doom in a small bounding box to get fluid frames, that was noticeable difference. Or playing half life on a pentium 2 clone (cyrix cpu) with a voodoo 3 card and having anything in an outside area drops the fPS down to 8fps as the cpu had barely no co processor.

People complaining about differences at 100fps is insane. I have a 144hz monitor and I still can't tell the difference besides if it feels smooth or not.

 

[Kamina]

I tried putting myself on ignore, but I can still see my posts