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[Royal-Slime]

If you like that kind of games, sure. But I like games games. Not movie games.

Not everyone is hardcore and knows every single good game out. I disagree.

Well, if you mean TLOU or Uncharted, they have gameplay and they're still games. Funny I see these claims about "movie games" from people who play visual novels - "games" where the only thing you do is advance text and look at pixel-waifus. Anyway, TLOU has a good gameplay execution, they've improved it with TLOU2. Uncharted 4 is a massive improvement over previous Uncharted in terms of gameplay, as well.

"Movie" games doesn't mean bad. "Cliche stereotypical stories" is what's bad. I don't know how people aren't bored playing something like Shiren The Wanderer or Puyo Puyo Tetris with no real story. It's fun for 10-15 minutes but that's about it. Meanwhile cinematic games are staying in people's memories for a very long time. Japan needs to move towards cinematography, as well.

 

[Royal-Slime]

I don't understand the GIF, it's not tinfoil hatting at all. FE has reused static assets that are duplicated in the background - that's unacceptable. Pokemon has used the same formula for years with small additions and still gets 80 review scores? At least Zelda changed the formula a bit but its still cookie cutter and has odd design choices. Even if these franchises create a super mediocre games people will buy them in troves and give it a higher score than it should. I'm saying this because i'm a huge fan of those franchises and I enjoy them but they should def be better - create something more ambitious ffs.

I pity you if you think Zelda is cookie-cutter Waste less time on forums, perhaps?

 

[tmlDan]

Lol. Millions are still enjoying the basic Pokemon formula of collecting and battling monsters. The latest FE is an AA game focusing on turn based gameplay + school sim unacceptable my ass, BOTW terrain based puzzles and exploration is phenomenal. Your opinion is mediocre when people still bought those game on premium prices, because they are good, gives good gameplay and fun value.

Elaborate on how they could do better, give examples on how they could change based on your wet dreams. Huge fan lol. Ambitious. Define a current ambitious game that is better then? None.

I don't know why you're being so defensive, i wasn't attacking you personally - you seem to have taken it to heart, it's okay buddy.

Either way, Fire emblem can maybe launch unbroken? It had several graphical glitches and stutters. It should by now have expanded character conversations with NPC's and expanded side quests - a larger world thats explorable, like visiting other cities you battled in with city dwellers and vendors other than the basic "take quest monotonous grind" it currently has. The old overworld where you move across the map was way better than the current quest system.

Pokemon can expand the combat, expand the world and move away from a very linear, lack of imagination, world that makes you want to fall asleep. It's one of the biggest names/brands in the world and they can't invest in something bigger? Why am i paying 70-80$ for it.

Zelda's world, to me wasn't full of life, it was great to explore but it was pretty barren. Again, this is the best of the bunch and a high budget title but by no means a step beyond other standard open world games. Improvements: move away from a breaking weapon system, build combat beyond the slice, dodge, use magical items but keep the "explore and do what you want" world design.

You don't have to agree with me, that's fine - but Nintendo charges a lot for these games that are overpriced (apart from Zelda) as hell.

 

[tmlDan]

I pity you if you think Zelda is cookie-cutter Waste less time on forums, perhaps?

idk what being on forums has to do with me not liking Zelda, considering I have 117 messages in 3 years I don't think that's the case.

 

[MagnesG]

I don't know why you're being so defensive, i wasn't attacking you personally - you seem to have taken it to heart, it's okay buddy.

Either way, Fire emblem can maybe launch unbroken? It had several graphical glitches and stutters. It should by now have expanded character conversations with NPC's and expanded side quests - a larger world thats explorable, like visiting other cities you battled in with city dwellers and vendors other than the basic "take quest monotonous grind" it currently has. The old overworld where you move across the map was way better than the current quest system.

Pokemon can expand the combat, expand the world and move away from a very linear, lack of imagination, world that makes you want to fall asleep. It's one of the biggest names/brands in the world and they can't invest in something bigger? Why am i paying 70-80$ for it.

Zelda's world, to me wasn't full of life, it was great to explore but it was pretty barren. Again, this is the best of the bunch and a high budget title but by no means a step beyond other standard open world games. Improvements: move away from a breaking weapon system, build combat beyond the slice, dodge, use magical items but keep the "explore and do what you want" world design.

You don't have to agree with me, that's fine - but Nintendo charges a lot for these games that are overpriced (apart from Zelda) as hell.

I may have come a bit to aggressive, sorry English is not my main language.

FE focuses on more on its turn based gameplay with its limited budget. The game have 3 overaching long storylines midway that could clock the players at least 100 hours to finish all 3 casually, their main focus is delivering that. It needs to be a different game if that is what you want them to prioritize.

Pokemon game developments works on a 2 years basis because they are heavily tied to their anime, movies, merchandise and the whole gen marketing. Even their card games are tied. Their launch window are heavily constrained and maybe they need to have a totally different series to pursue AAA budge game roadmap. They still delivers on giving great monster collecting gameplay though so what's the point. Pokemon is just Pokemon.

The weapon breaking system is a design choice so that you won't become overpowered and relying heavily on the old attack and dodge combat, this is devs doing balance work and the game actually works well with it. I still don't understand what the complain is about when I already got chockful of weapons and even farmed 20+ arrows on the way just 20 mins from those stupid bokoblins. Some people are just bad at exploiting their interconnected mechanism and still love bitching about it imo.I wouldn't mind if the design would stay or not for the next game.

Rarely there are games that are actually not "barren" and worthwhile to explore at the same time, only in Yakuza I think. Climb up on any hill in BOTW and you'll find something worthwhile to explore.

Those games are not overpriced, you are just so used to buying on rampant discounts from Steam or Sony FP titles $20 after a year because no one's gonna buy them full price after launch. Let's not mention 3rd parties.

 

[Kagey K]

I’d argue that with MS becoming publisher of every game they made BC this gen they have both the quality and quantity of being the best publisher in the last 5 years. (That’s kind of cheating though)

But if you want to go straight facts and numbers...

 

[NomadicAsiatic]

I would put Atlus or Capcom higher.

 

[Kagey K]

I would put Atlus or Capcom higher.

You can even see on publisher of the year awards they usually sit a bit lower (around 5 or 6) so even if you try median or mean they still can’t hit #1, except in fanboy hearts.

 

[The_Mike]

Ok then just pick two of the games I listed and explain to me how they blend in together.
Just calling them cinematic and story driven does not cut it. Those terms don't mean anything without context. You can put those labels on any game.

I haven't really played games on other platforms where the story and movies are the glue and the gameplay is from 2005.

Being third person and cinematic driven is enough to blend in with each other.
If you are not interested in third person, just with that opinion 99 percent of sonys exclusive library becomes obsolete.
And then add if you don't want to spend half of the game to watch cinematics, then it further will drive you away from then.

 

[prinz_valium]

Well, if you mean TLOU or Uncharted, they have gameplay and they're still games. Funny I see these claims about "movie games" from people who play visual novels - "games" where the only thing you do is advance text and look at pixel-waifus. Anyway, TLOU has a good gameplay execution, they've improved it with TLOU2. Uncharted 4 is a massive improvement over previous Uncharted in terms of gameplay, as well.

"Movie" games doesn't mean bad. "Cliche stereotypical stories" is what's bad. I don't know how people aren't bored playing something like Shiren The Wanderer or Puyo Puyo Tetris with no real story. It's fun for 10-15 minutes but that's about it. Meanwhile cinematic games are staying in people's memories for a very long time. Japan needs to move towards cinematography, as well.

That stuff ruined RDR2 for me. Just not fun to play.

That's why it's a subjective opinion. That's also a reason why GOTY are not objectively good and deserve those awards. Some people like that suff, other not at all.

Fall Guys and Among Us above TLOU or Uncharted every day of the week.

 

[Royal-Slime]

That stuff ruined RDR2 for me. Just not fun to play.

That's why it's a subjective opinion. That's also a reason why GOTY are not objectively good and deserve those awards. Some people like that suff, other not at all.

Fall Guys and Among Us above TLOU or Uncharted every day of the week.

Because it takes time to get used to and requires patience. If you think that's bad, try playing a visual novel

GOTY are objectively good. Games can be well made or poorly made. You can't bake potatoes, make them look ugly and dry and say "in my opinion they're the potatoes of this YEAR!"

Fall Guys is an easy to pick up shallow game. Same with Among Us. They're fun only because you don't need to learn them or be into their story, or get used to new ground-breaking mechanics. Comparing technical games to story-heavy is just silly. Fall Guys and Among Us will be forgotten the moment their engines get old and the moment there's a new gimmicky game. Meanwhile RDR2 will remain a classic. A classic on which you've the missed out only because you're being close-minded.

 

[Snake00]

I haven't really played games on other platforms where the story and movies are the glue and the gameplay is from 2005.

Being third person and cinematic driven is enough to blend in with each other.
If you are not interested in third person, just with that opinion 99 percent of sonys exclusive library becomes obsolete.
And then add if you don't want to spend half of the game to watch cinematics, then it further will drive you away from then.

Ok I see you haven't played any of the sony exclusives. In none of them you spend half the time watching cinematics.

And can you name me one publisher which releases non third person games without cut scenes? I'm actually interested to play those games because I like first person games with good gameplay.

 

[The_Mike]

Ok I see you haven't played any of the sony exclusives. In none of them you spend half the time watching cinematics.

And can you name me one publisher which releases non third person games without cut scenes? I'm actually interested to play those games because I like first person games with good gameplay.

I bought my ps4 only to play TLOU, so yes I have played it.
I came to

Spoiler

where you have to get Ellie over some water or something to click on a Switch, maybe a little further to a house

So don't tell me I never played any exclusives.
And yes plenty of others make third person games. Sony tend to only do this. The problem for me is not if a single company spits out some third person games, but 98 percent of sonys games are third person.
Tell me how many first person games, rpg games and racing games Sony has released recently.
And screw the talk about Microsoft cus I don't give a crap about them. And it doesn't prove anything what shit they spit out as well.

 

[Snake00]

I bought my ps4 only to play TLOU, so yes I have played it.
I came to

Spoiler

where you have to get Ellie over some water or something to click on a Switch, maybe a little further to a house

So don't tell me I never played any exclusives.
And yes plenty of others make third person games. Sony tend to only do this. The problem for me is not if a single company spits out some third person games, but 98 percent of sonys games are third person.
Tell me how many first person games, rpg games and racing games Sony has released recently.
And screw the talk about Microsoft cus I don't give a crap about them. And it doesn't prove anything what shit they spit out as well.

You have only played one and talk about how they blend in together.

Also there is an rpg released this year: ff7 remake

 

[The_Mike]

You have only played one and talk about how they blend in together.

Also there is an rpg released this year: ff7 remake

Square Enix isn't a Sony first party studio.

 

[Barnabot]

I think I have more Bamco and Capcom titles under my favorites than Sony despite all the flaws. So no. I disagree.

 

[Snake00]

Square Enix isn't a Sony first party studio.

Oh ok i thought it would count because you were not talking about exclusives.
The I name: Demon's Souls for PS5. It is published by Sony so that has to count. Also they published and co-developed one of the best(imo the best) rpgs of the last generation with bloodborne.
Ghost of Tsushima also has plenty of rpg mechanics.

 

[The_Mike]

Oh ok i thought it would count because you were not talking about exclusives.
The I name: Demon's Souls for PS5. It is published by Sony so that has to count. Also they published and co-developed one of the best(imo the best) rpgs of the last generation with bloodborne.
Ghost of Tsushima also has plenty of rpg mechanics.

It's true they are rpg, but they are both still third person.

 

[Snake00]

It's true they are rpg, but they are both still third person.

So we are back at they blend in together because they are third person, just like mario and zelda.

 

[The_Mike]

So we are back at they blend in together because they are third person, just like mario and zelda.

Yes. Mario is an action game and zelda is rpg lite, but they are still similar. Neither of them are heavy cinematic or story driven, so that does also change a lot for the taste whether a person wants it from the game or not.

But Nintendo still have exceptions, with fire emblem, super smash bros, Mario plus rabbits Kingdom, luigus mansion, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening.

They don't feel similar, because they aren't based on the exact formular with tweaks.

It's like the previous ass creed and far cry. One was a first person, the other third person, otherwise they were basically the same. Crawl up in towers, craft stuff etc.

 

[acm2000]

Best publisher should go by sales not review scores, thus sadly it goes to Activision.

It's all about the $$$$$

 

[v_iHuGi]

I’d argue that with MS becoming publisher of every game they made BC this gen they have both the quality and quantity of being the best publisher in the last 5 years. (That’s kind of cheating though)

But if you want to go straight facts and numbers...

You mean the worst? MS Xbox One Gen has been the worst gen of any Console in history since the 80s.

And that is a straight FACT, Wii U Line Up was 10x better than Xbox One, no other Console had a WORSE line up of 1st party titles in recent memory.

 

[Md Ray]

You mean the worst? MS Xbox One Gen has been the worst gen of any Console in history since the 80s.

And that is a straight FACT, Wii U Line Up was 10x better than Xbox One, no other Console had a WORSE line up of 1st party titles in recent memory.

Agreed. There are a ton of exclusives I'd like to play on Xbox 360 but nothing interests me on XB1 to the same degree.

 

[nordique]

For fun, I thought I’d do my favourite games this past decade by publisher (first time experiences only not remasters or remakes)...games ive finished

Nintendo
- Zelda BotW
- Mario Odyssey
- Mario galaxy 2
- donkey Kong country returns
- donkey Kong country tropical freeze
- smash bros ultimate
- Zelda a link between worlds
- Metroid Samus returns
- bayonetta 2
- astral chain

Sony
- God of war 3
- uncharted 3
- the last of us
- uncharted 4
- Spider-Man
- god of war (4)
- Detroit become human
- days gone
- the last of us pt 2
- ghost of Tsushima

Microsoft
- halo reach
- forza horizon 4
- ori blind forest
- ori will of whisps

Results surprised me. But certainly most varied is Sony in terms of experiences

I spent most of the first part of the decade with the 360 so this list did shock me a bit when I wrote it out

 

[MilkyJoe]

Their interactive movie "games" do better than Sony Movies