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[DF] Hitman 3 PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S Comparison
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yeah, just found some benchmarks. The PS5 in theory should be around that if not a bit higher, but it's possible that at native 4k they didnt want to ship something that would be sub 60 fps on a consistent basis.
I think a custom resolution of say 3840X2000p wouldve allowed them to easily hit 60 fps, but I usually have trouble setting up those custom resolutions on PC and having the TVs support them so I dont know if there are issues with that on consoles.
ethomaz
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freefornow
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Wait, i thought that one of the advantages of PS5 game development was that it uses the same SDK?? Fairly sure the was praise for this in these threads.
This looks fake tbh.. just like the ps5 framerate vid. I don't see the actual drops when looking at the gameplay.
assurdum
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Keep in mind hardly console version runs in ultra setting. It's always a mixed bag. So seems quite bizzarre to me a crossgen game which runs 4k on series X can't do the same on ps5. A dynamic resolution would be definitely a better solution on both console. I know dynamic resolution is problematic when the discrepancy in sharpness between the lowest and highest is noticeable. But between 1800p and 2160p there isn't that noticeable.Yeah, just found some benchmarks. The PS5 in theory should be around that if not a bit higher, but it's possible that at native 4k they didnt want to ship something that would be sub 60 fps on a consistent basis.
I think a custom resolution of say 3840X2000p wouldve allowed them to easily hit 60 fps, but I usually have trouble setting up those custom resolutions on PC and having the TVs support them so I dont know if there are issues with that on consoles.
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ethomaz
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Xbox uses the same SDK... GDK develops to all Xbox since Xbox One to Series X... including PC.
Sony has two SDKs... PS4 SDK and PS5 SDK.
With PS4 SDK you can do PS4/PS4 Pro native games and patch games to use in PS5 via BC.
PS5 SDK allow native PS5 game development.
The SDK machines are way different.
Maybe you are confusing with the APIs and Tools presents in the SDK that are basically the same added the new PS5 hardware features... who worked with PS4 SDK will be at home with PS5 SDK.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Sounds like the typical DF spin in Xbox favor.
Bittermich
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It’s like 99.999% locked 60fps.
there is only a Single scene in a single in a special place with a special action where it dips.
Custom resolutions have to be a 16:9 ratio, so for 2000p you'd need (16/9 * 2000) -> 3556 for the horizontal resolution.
Caio
Member
Yep. I was just a "little" taken by surprise.
I need to see how they compare in next gen only games, and games like GTA6 might be the ultimate benchmark. We'll see.
MistBreeze
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Im really not getting what is the benefit of endless discussion about a game has 2 versions
one locked 4k but dips slightly in the 50s fps
one with slightly sub 4k but has constant 60 fps
just play and appreciate 2 good versions and a fine damn game
one locked 4k but dips slightly in the 50s fps
one with slightly sub 4k but has constant 60 fps
just play and appreciate 2 good versions and a fine damn game
assurdum
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Now someone needs to explain to me how hitman 3 can be natively coded on ps5 if it needs to run Hitman 1 and 2 which are just coded on the PS4 pro. I/O has rewrite the previous games for the ps5? How BC is not involved in some way in this engine?
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MasterCornholio
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I think it's better just to accept that the XSX destroys the PS5 with this game. Doesn't mean every game will be like this but who knows what will happen.
ethomaz
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I have no ideia how it works.
I believe they use the engine of Hitman 3.
Edit - I just checked the FAQ... it seems like if you have the previous games you can import the levels and locations to Hitman 3 via DLC Access and they will run on Hitman 3 Engine.
“ HITMAN 3 allows players to access locations from the previous games in the trilogy (H1 and H2) and play them all under one roof. Essentially, we have setup H1 and H2 as DLC for HITMAN 3. You can buy or redeem/download an Access Pass and get access to its content within H3. For example, if you buy the HITMAN 2 Standard Access Pass DLC for HITMAN 3, you’ll get access to the locations and missions included in the HITMAN 2 Standard Edition within HITMAN 3.
In addition to the option of purchasing an Access Pass, it is also possible to redeem/download an Access Pass for no additional cost, if you have already purchased that content on the same platform.
On consoles, we detect what you already have installed for HITMAN 2 and can make the corresponding Access Pass available for no additional cost on the same store.”
They indeed recoded these levels/locations in the new game.
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assurdum
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Destroy is s big word.
MasterCornholio
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Well it is compared to what we had before. This could be the new norm or just an outlier.
Putonahappyface
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Not because its better on the xbsx, but because its not on par with the the same level of TLC. I don't belive the ps5 can't push 4k60 I'm sensing a lack of development incentive or some form of exclusivity under the table towards Microsoft (dons tin foil hat).
waquzy
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Yikes, it's even worse than we thought. Where's Riky with his VRR?!
Concern
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
fair play for you posting that and not console warring over it. as he said its stable except for that area
sircaw
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I seriously hope it is fake for digital foundry's sake, cos if its not, they are in some serious trouble.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yeah. I dont see how DF can miss something like this.
waquzy
Member
It is not fake. DF have done shitty job once again it seems, it's best to wait NX and VG's videos. But yeah, looks like XSX is dropping frames like flies. Ouch
VanEs
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Look at the times it's supposedly dropping below 50fps and it still looks like a completely smooth 60fps. It should stutter like crazy.
doesnt matter resolution game for me was not that good or inovating or next gen ... so its fine to play it on 4 year specs on pc it runs ok enough there and so scripted... you show me whatver resolution there you want i dont care, game is not next gen at all, i found there good old hitman same old. nothing like wow.
Bladed Thesis
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Yeah, that video registers FR drops but you actually don't see any in the gameplay. Seems like fud.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
looks pretty fake to me. the fact that the framerate is fluctuating like crazy even when hes standing still is a big giveaway.
assurdum
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I don't understand why you are so overdramatic every single time. Until this multiplat, you said series X was of waste a money because ps5 shouldn't able to beat it in so many games thought difference weren't never dramatic. Now a game overperform on series X (and personally I'm still quite convinced there is something off about the ps5 port) ps5 is destroyed, it's a new trend. No offence but there is too much hysteria in your posts.
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sncvsrtoip
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rx5700xt has ultra settings in this benchmark and not medium shadows so it looks like h3 it's first not bc game that run worse on ps5 than on rx5700xt
MasterCornholio
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I don't think I ever said the Series X was a waste of money. And I never said the PS5 beat it in many games.
What I maintained was that the two platforms were on par with each other and that the differences were being exaggerated.
However I don't have a perfect memory so if I did say what you said feel free to quote me.
probably you didnt hear what df said and just follow thelastword twitter for the in-depth analysis don't you?
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waquzy
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It is not fake, lets wait for NX/VG's comparisons, I'm certain they will confirm the same thing
assurdum
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There is nothing better in the series X CPU. About the GPU is "relatively" better when higher CUs number is involved but outside that nothing else come to mind which can overperform ps5 in a meaningful way. Still with all respect with everyone who said otherwise, I never thought series X was vastly superior of ps5, more or less they will offers similar perfomance with their pros and cons. I don't get it where coming this convinction because higher number in some raw specs are a bad way to measure the whole perfomance of a machine.
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assurdum
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Check your post history. I have a good memory
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Maybe Cerny's variable clock lies are finally coming back to haunt him. ;p
Stuart360
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lol is this video supposed to be a joke or something?, you can CLEARLY see that the XSX version is running at 60fps yet the vid says like mid 40's. Check 5:00 for example, where he's jogging through the forest, its super smooth, zero judder, and identicle to the PS5 version, yet it says its in the 40's lol. Now check the DF vid when it drops on XSX, and you can see it juddering all over the place
Anyone who thinks that vid is real shouldnt even be commenting in this thread, as its obvious that your eyes can not tell framerates anyway. Is this what its come to fanboys?
Rent free indeed.
well I'm sure why you want to wait them ...but sorry i trust more DF than any of those amateurish and sometime very clearly biased comparations. this will not change the gap in the game
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MasterCornholio
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Check your post history. I have a good memory
I'm not seeing where I said the XSX waste of money. And I haven't really seen anything where I claimed the PS5 version beat the XSX one. I mostly just see that both versions are tied with each other.
a 30+% of res diff with better shadows is not that tied especially since it is a game optimized for nextgen consoles. this game is the first that reflect paper specs let's see if it's just a coincidence or the series will continue.
Having said that, the really strange thing is that without a deep optimization the brute power of the customization carried out by cerny on the I / O brings practically zero advantages
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waquzy
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LOL, nice own goal buddy.
The XSX is juddering all over the place indeed!!
MasterCornholio
Member
The other comparisons?
That's what I was talking about.
You obviously didn't see my other comments in this thread
Next time please be better.
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Null Persp
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Nah, that xbox capture is too much smooth to be 40 fps, looks 60 fps.
Something is broken with his capture tools.
Something is broken with his capture tools.
assurdum
Banned
Lol. You should read better what you quote
Stuart360
Member
Yeah in the part it drops, of course it is. I remember getting laughed at on here when i said games dropping 1 frame to 59fps in games can cause judder, becasue it does.
Pathetic responce though from you. Cringe
MasterCornholio
Member
oh sorry man you are right
so sorry
assurdum
Banned
Uh lol no. Ps5 SDK are similar in the use but are not absolutely the same. Would be a disaster push the ps5. And in cross gen titles series X has a big advantage. You are not limited to the previous generation because the game is coded virtually and not hardware tied. To the contrary, If you coding something on ps5 which is deeply crossgen tied, there is the big risk code is rooted to the previous hardware specs.
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MasterCornholio
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oh sorry man you are right
Yep you must have missed my comment where I said the XSX destroys the PS5 with this game. If this becomes the norm it's pretty much an embarrassment for Sony. Now if the PS5 was 399$ I would understand but the same price as the XSX?
That's something I have an issue with.
P.S I'm only talking about the disk versions.
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