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[LittleBusters]

Based on my latest research(approximations of annual gaming revenue):

Apple ~ $40 billion(iOS gaming)
Sony ~ $28 billion
Microsoft ~ $17 billion
Nintendo $12 billion(actual latest number)

So even though Nintendo is KILLING IT right now, in the BIG picture scheme, everyone else is doing fine.

Just wanted to add a little bit of perspective to the situation, lots of DOOM threads around here.

 

[Majmun]

Doom about what? All three are doing great.

Or is it the Nintendo fans who think that everyone else is flopping because the Switch is doing well?

They will never learn.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Nintendo is the only one out of the bunch who is almost exclusively a gaming company. I doubt Apple makes the majority of its revenue from ios gaming.

 

[Captain Toad]

Where are you getting these estimates?

Also, in Nintendo's defense, revenue and profit are vastly different. Sony's AAA games and hardware cost magnitudes more to produce.

 

[reforen]

Apple is not even something in the gaming industry, why the big 4?

 

[RoboFu]

Apple is not even something in the gaming industry, why the big 4?

there many many many more iphones out there than video game consoles.

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

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[vito_don_corleone_]

Nintendo is the only one out of the bunch who is almost exclusively a gaming company. I doubt Apple makes the majority of its revenue from ios gaming.

Well, those are gaming revenue numbers only.

Sony as a whole makes $76 billion, 28 is from their gaming division. Apple's and Microsoft revenue is much much bigger than those numbers...

 

[Hezekiah]

What about Google and Amazon? They're the competition now.

 

[M1chl]

That first place is disgusting.

 

[yurinka]

This.

Only the gaming divisions of the other companies should be taken into account

As I know, only the gaming division revenues are listed in the OP.

What about Google and Amazon? They're the competition now.

Like Apple, Google makes a ton of money from gaming and has a ton of players via Android/Google Play.

 

[Aion002]

Interesting and cool thread, but you should put some sources on it.

 

[Meesh]

12 billion is amazing for Nintendo being that they're mostly just games. Huh, nice.

 

[Iced Arcade]

Thanks for the sources

 

[BuffNTuff]

How is apples calculated?

is that metric provided above the revenue they keep after giving developers their rightful cut or is it just a sum of all sales revenue on iOS before paying out operating costs and money owed to developers building the apps?

 

[Closer]

Or is it the Nintendo fans who think that everyone else is flopping because the Switch is doing well?

They will never learn.

Yup. They are Just as dumb as those that say "Nintendo should go third party" or "Microsoft should leave gaming". They really never learn.

Edit: throw in those that say "Nintendo fans buy anything Nintendo".

 

[ripeavocado]

Nintendo has massive profits, they can maximize revenue with minimum efforts, their fans and customer base would buy anything, even a weird overpriced cardboard game.

 

[Closer]

Nintendo has massive profits, they can maximize revenue with minimum efforts, their fans and customer base would buy anything, even a weird overpriced cardboard game.

WiiU disproves this theory just fine.

 

[prinz_valium]

Where did you get those numbers from? They're all wrong

 

[LittleBusters]

Where did you get those numbers from? They're all wrong

From basic Googling.

 

[LittleBusters]

How is apples calculated?

is that metric provided above the revenue they keep after giving developers their rightful cut or is it just a sum of all sales revenue on iOS before paying out operating costs and money owed to developers building the apps?

Apple is fourth largest gaming company globally, thanks to the iPhone | AppleInsider

Apple is the fourth-biggest public gaming company in the world, according to a report by analysts at Newzoo, with the continued rise of mobile gaming and its operation of the App Store helping the iPhone maker beat other games industry mainstays, including EA and Nintendo.

appleinsider.com

Of course, Apple only gives 'Services' revenue which gaming is a part of. So the best other sites can do is estimate. But I think $40 billion/year for iOS gaming is very likely. Also the Sony/MS numbers are easy to find.

 

[A.Romero]

Apple Services include their music and video service as well as their cut for every transaction made through their store, right?

I can't imagine them making 40bn exclusively with games.

 

[Sybrix]

Quantity over quality for Apple

 

[BuffNTuff]

Apple is fourth largest gaming company globally, thanks to the iPhone | AppleInsider

Apple is the fourth-biggest public gaming company in the world, according to a report by analysts at Newzoo, with the continued rise of mobile gaming and its operation of the App Store helping the iPhone maker beat other games industry mainstays, including EA and Nintendo.

appleinsider.com

Of course, Apple only gives 'Services' revenue which gaming is a part of. So the best other sites can do is estimate. But I think $40 billion/year for iOS gaming is very likely. Also the Sony/MS numbers are easy to find.

lol dude that’s my point.
Like 90% of that number is Apple Music alone. Then iCloud. I hate iCloud. I don’t need it. Somehow my wife needs it though cause I pay like $20 a month for it so she can store all of her videos and pics (which are the same exact activities and poses in the same places repeatedly). Point being, they’re making a killing on shit like that from guys like me. I bet gaming is like maybe a few billion out of that total figure.

 

[Vasto]

How much is being banked?

 

[John Wick]

How much is being banked?

By who?

 

[OnionSnake]

If you're including Apple shouldn't you include Google as well?

 

[CatLady]

This.

Only the gaming divisions of the other companies should be taken into account

That IS gaming revenue only . Do you honestly think Microsoft only did $17 Billion for the entire company last year????

Try $143 Billion total for Microsoft.

 

[Codes 208]

there many many many more iphones out there than video game consoles.

By this logic it should be the big 5 (iOS, android, xbox, Sony and Nintendo) as they all delve into gaming.

the main difference however is only three of these are actual dedicated gaming platforms.

I mean, do you not remember the reaction when Diablo infernal was announced as a mobile game? Gamers don’t give a shit about mobile.

 

[Vasto]

By who?

The big 3.

 

[deriks]

- iOS Gaming is not a thing, at least for now
- Nintendo is like 99,999999999% exclusive gaming, while Sony and Microsoft has a ton of stuff going on
- bitch, we need proof. We believe in those numbers, but if you do a research, you need to show shit

 

[CitizenZ]

Since you think numbers matter to quality, didnt ROBLOX pass 2 billion and added 500 million in 6 months? They could literally take over "the big 3" in a couple yrs at that rate.

 

[ACESHIGH]

What about Valve?

 

[ShadowWolf712]

- Nintendo is like 99,999999999% exclusive gaming, while Sony and Microsoft has a ton of stuff going on

Those are Sony and Microsoft's gaming numbers, dude.

 

[ShadowWolf712]

Well here's a source on the Sony numbers at least.

(I know, I know, it's REE, but it's sourced.)

Sony Q3 FY2020 (Oct-Dec) Results - PS5: 4.5m, PS4: 1.4m (LTD: 114.9m) / Record Year for PlayStation / Highest Quarterly Revenue in video game history News

*The US Dollar figures have been converted from Japanese Yen with exchange rate provided in Sony fiscal reports Source 1 / Source 2 As mentioned in the poll, spending on PS Store include Games & Add-on content (DLC/MTX/etc...) but no Services (as PS+/PS Now) You can change your vote if you...

www.resetera.com

 

[JimboJones]

Apple could a force to be reckoned with but Sony, MS and Nintendo offer such better experiences.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

revenue is not profit

 

[jakinov]

Apple Services include their music and video service as well as their cut for every transaction made through their store, right?

I can't imagine them making 40bn exclusively with games.

I don't know but they get a big cut of every microtransaction and every game sold.

 

[LittleBusters]

I'm not that interested in hunting down the financial statements from the various companies. I believe my #s are mostly correct. However, while Apple makes a lot of revenue from iOS gaming, they are not a factor in bigger games. Meaning A/AA/AAA games the way we understand them. Apple does not even have gaming studios at present. Even Google shut down what little game production they had going on.

So we're only truly left with Sony, Nintendo & MS as having extensive 1st party production. Given MS gaming revenue is 50% bigger than Nintendo, they are in good shape once the AAA exclusives start coming later this year starting with Halo.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Ok, but what about profit?

 

[Hudo]

Congratulations to all the shareholders.

 

[carlosrox]

iOS "gaming"

 

[SNPlayen]

Yeah you gotta think Nintendo’s profits might be higher in terms of percentage of revenue. Mario Kart 8 has sold 30 million and I imagine that games budget would be a lot smaller than Last of us 2 for example. This is all guessing though

Microsoft and Sony probably make a lot from micro transactions and services though and 3rd party takes.

 

[Kumomeme]

suddenly apple is considered 'gaming company' lmao

if count iOS, should count android too
also steam
by that logic should add tencent on the list too.

only 3 of them has dedicated platform especially console. no use compared with mobile since that market is much much bigger. thats can be considered 'different' market than console/AAA game.

 

[TheKratos]

Nintendo is the only one out of the bunch who is almost exclusively a gaming company. I doubt Apple makes the majority of its revenue from ios gaming.

Did you honestly think Apple only makes 40 billion REVENUE and Microsoft only 14 billion for all its divisions? And you thought Nintendo (exclusively gaming) would be so close to them?

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

Sony is the big boy and king, nothing new. Only our nintendo friends get confused sometimes.

 

[KungFucius]

That first place is disgusting.

30% of mobile shitware adds up I guess, but seeing that Google does the same thing and has more market share, you have to wonder why the OP omitted them. Must be one of those Apple fans who thinks they are the only company and takes their anti consumer shit with pride.

 

[ReBurn]

iOS "gaming"

I mean a lot of people go outside. Many of them commute and when they do a lot of those people play games. Some people even go outside just to play augmented reality games.

Mobile gaming has come a long way and there's no reason for people to be insecure about it any more. It's ok to enjoy games on mobile devices.

 

[ShadowWolf712]

I mean a lot of people go outside. Many of them commute and when they do a lot of those people play games. Some people even go outside just to play augmented reality games.

Mobile gaming has come a long way and there's no reason for people to be insecure about it any more. It's ok to enjoy games on mobile devices.

Imma be honest, fam, mobile gaming is still, by and large, trash. Unoriginal reskins of the exact same games, the proper games ported generally have awful controls, it's very rare to find a good gem in that mass.

Thus I can understand why a lot of people still don't consider Mobile gaming to be "real" gaming.

 

[EverydayBeast]

M$ gave up on selling consoles outside of USA, Nintendo fans should be furious they don’t have a new next gen system and a new Zelda games and SONY fans should feel important, PS5 has all the power in the world and has a seat at the table with the respected PC.