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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
it was a joke. the trailer has a scene where she goes back to an area that's been transformed into something else. same layout just different lighting. reminded me of Medium's level switching.

That's just how roguelike's work, the levels are always regenerated.

But my post still stands, despite you joking lol
 

Imtjnotu

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Sorry. Forgot house marque was a sony first party studio

Sipping Kermit The Frog GIF
 
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ethomaz

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I think he just means Sony in-house devs, rather than 1st party.
I read the previous posts.

Well Sony only shows gameplay of the next game after the launch of the previous... after R&C release they will start on gameplay marketing of the next release.

Unless it is a big show like E3 where they show a lot of gameplay for most near future releases.
 
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DeepEnigma

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I read the previous posts.

Well Sony only shows gameplay of the next game after the launch of the previous... after R&C release they will start on gameplay marketing of the next release.

Unless it is a big show like E3 where they show a lot of gameplay for most near future releases.
That's what I said as well. Some may not like it, but why do we act shocked since they have been doing this for years.
 

Lunatic_Gamer

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Outriders to Run at 4K 60fps on Next-Gen Except for Series S, Last-Gen & Series S to Be at 30fps


Outriders PlayStation consoles resolution and fps:
  • PS5: 4K 60fps
  • PS4 Pro: 4K 30fps
  • PS4 (Base): 1080P 30fps

Outriders Xbox consoles resolution and fps:

 

kyliethicc

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What was the last event sony did with big gameplay? God of War reveal?

None of Sony's first party games currently have any gameplay shown outside Ratchet lol
June showcase we saw a GT7 gameplay demo and a Ratchet gameplay demo. Then we saw bits of Sackboy gameplay, Demon's Souls gameplay, Returnal gameplay, and Destruction Allstars gameplay, but those were cut up into edited trailers, but it was gameplay.

(We know that now, cuz most of those games are out. Like we saw what Sackboy gameplay looks like way back in June.)

Then in the September show we a Spider-Man Miles gameplay demo and a Demon's Souls gameplay demo.

Not a first party sony
Its a 1st party game tho. Every PS Studios game is 1st party.
 

SSfox

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I guess that explains why you would play a Mario game on a PC..

You realize you are not taking advantage of the Switches best feature.
But hey you do you... We all game differently...

I just enjoy me a little Mario in the bathtub..
The only case where i enjoyed a game on handled, and i know it would be shit for console was Phoenix Wright games, outside of that i don't like playing handled, i've beat DQ9 on 3DS, and then i beat it again twice on PC emulator with pad and all (so closer to playing it on console) and the experience was so much better it wasn't even close. But as usual that's my opinion, i know someone who for example love playing on handled. Subjective as usual.
 
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Neo Blaster

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I think other thing we have to take into consideration is the fact that Sony use different API to make most of its games, they should do something for those games to be played on DX12, no?
Decima(HZD and Death Stranding) is already ported to PC and UE4(Days Gone) is a given, but what to say about the other engines?
 
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Neo Blaster

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Holy hyperbole!

Sony aren't run by idiots, they are not going to sabotage their billion dollar PlayStation business by chasing $50m revenue per PC port. They are trying to thread the needle, keep hold of console userbase, while growing the revenue on software which have exhausted sales on their platform by porting onto another. They haven't devoted even 5% of their resources behind marketing for PC ports, and for good reason. They recognize how tricky it could become.

Long-term, I don't see it hurting them. People buy consoles, because a) They are cheap b) Ease of access, you don't have fiddle around with hardware to make games run. c) Friends and family own it. None of that is going to change, look up cost of a moderately capable GPU, 99% of buyers would just run away from that. Even, when costs will normalize, you aren't building a PC for $500.

Also, day and date release is not something I can see happening this gen. They aren't morons for paying $100m to secure timed exclusivity for 3rd party games, only to release theirs day one alongside PC.
Many PC gamers don't give a damn to consoles, they wouldn't buy a PS no matter what game Sony pulled out. Such initiative is for them.
 

IntentionalPun

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I like this strategy, it makes sense business wise. As long as it doesnt negatively impact the initial game development by relying on a simultaneous PC release.

Yes, but those SSDs are required to be even faster than the one in the PS5 and will still rely on its dedicated hardware decompression. It will take a while before anything close to it will find its way onto the average PC.
Well we'll see; I think it'll be great if Sony actually does something interesting with that crazy bandwidth + decompression, but I still think most games will just continue to be similar to the games we play today, or could otherwise scale.

Ratchet and Clank, to me.. is the same old 3rd person action game with a fast-load gimmick... it's cool tech, but that's it to me.
 
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SSfox

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If sony will start releasing games on PS and PC simultaneously that will be the start of the end... Sigh

Just hopefully Hermen Hulst will be fire before it's too late. This guy want to destroy everything that Lord Kuratargi and cie had build.

Hail to our all Hero:, the king of console, the most revolutionary and visionary dude in video games and console gaming history, the one and the only Ken Kutaragi:

avant-la-playstation-classic-voici-de-nouvelles-anecdotes-sur-ken-kutaragi-988aa654__w830.jpg


Also Fuck Hermen Hulst

Well... shit.


Oh that Jason propaganda guy still exist.
 

Neo Blaster

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So Sony will start mass hiring with PC develipers? I don't think so.

All Sony teams are focused in the own PS APIs and code that are very different from PC DX/Vulkan.
I hope their investment and relationship with Epic doesn't mean full UE5 for every FP game from now on, they could be more easily ported to PC that way.
 

DeepEnigma

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Outriders to Run at 4K 60fps on Next-Gen Except for Series S, Last-Gen & Series S to Be at 30fps


Outriders PlayStation consoles resolution and fps:
  • PS5: 4K 60fps
  • PS4 Pro: 4K 30fps
  • PS4 (Base): 1080P 30fps

Outriders Xbox consoles resolution and fps:

Just lower the rez is all they need to do, they said.
 
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LucidFlux

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Well we'll see; I think it'll be great if Sony actually does something interesting with that crazy bandwidth + decompression, but I still think most games will just continue to be similar to the games we play today, or could otherwise scale.

Ratchet and Clank, to me.. is the same old 3rd person action game with a fast-load gimmick... it's cool tech, but that's it to me.

I have no doubt it'll be leveraged, but with how long game dev takes I think it'll be another year or two before we see projects that have built their core concepts around this crazy bandwidth.

I do feel you on R&C though, hopefully theres more to it. If it's only pre-scripted points in the story where you're jumping through the portals like Endgame then it'll be a bit of a let down. Maybe at some point the game opens up and lets you freely traverse through portals.
 
I hope their investment and relationship with Epic doesn't mean full UE5 for every FP game from now on, they could be more easily ported to PC that way.

Nah.

Sony's major studios develop their own in-house tech and they also have inter-group teams supporting tech development in XDev and Ice Teams.

There's no better engine and dev toolchain to use than the one you developed yourself from the ground up.
 
If sony will start releasing games on PS and PC simultaneously that will be the start of the end... Sigh

Just hopefully Hermen Hulst will be fire before it's too late. This guy want to destroy everything that Lord Kuratargi and cie had build.

Hail to our all Hero:, the king of console, the most revolutionary and visionary dude in video games and console gaming history, the one and the only Ken Kutaragi:

avant-la-playstation-classic-voici-de-nouvelles-anecdotes-sur-ken-kutaragi-988aa654__w830.jpg


Also Fuck Hermen Hulst


Oh that Jason propaganda guy still exist.

Everyone thinking the sky is falling should take a deep breath.

I would be shocked if Sony goes that route and AAA 1st party games come out Day 1 on both PS5 and PC. The fact that Jim specifically mentioned that they didn't see any negative customer feedback is actually encouraging that they're considering the potential fallout of that scenario.

Releasing 2-3 year old last-gen games on PC to generate additional sales, recoup costs, and generate interest in the PS5/sequels is a win-win for everyone except warriors who need to feel like they're part of a special club.

I fully expect Uncharted, TLOU/TLOU2, Ghosts of Tsushima, etc. to come out on PC in the next 12-18 months as PS5 starts to (hopefully) hit its stride.
 
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DeepEnigma

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Yeah everyone always said there was no power difference between the X1 and XSS. Clearly a case of minimum effort. Sony fans make the same claims when PS5 does not match XSX performance.
Which is happening more often than not. Which is what many of us said would happen when they were flaunting the XSX games at 1440p/60 in their marketing.

Just like the 8K marketing for both the XSX/PS5 will be few and far between.
 
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assurdum

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mark my words. In two years, every PS5 game will launch on PC simultaneously.

Thats how long it took for Xbox games to launch on PC after the first game was ported to PC.
I have to say. The level of hysteria reached by your posts after they announced this thing, it's incredible. Without offence. Would be an incredible stupid move by Sony (as uselessly expensive); anyway if I'm not wrong just external studio worked in the pc version until now. Hardly they can have the access to the final code in same time of the ps5 release.
 
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Everyone thinking the sky is falling should take a deep breath.

I would be shocked if Sony goes that route and AAA 1st party games come out Day 1 on both PS5 and PC. The fact that Jim specifically mentioned that they didn't see any negative customer feedback is actually encouraging that they're considering the potential fallout of that scenario.

Releasing 2-3 year old last-gen games on PC to generate additional sales, recoup costs, and generate interest in the PS5/sequels is a win-win for everyone except warriors who need to feel like they're part of a special club.

I fully expect Uncharted, TLOU/TLOU2, Ghosts of Tsushima, etc. to come out on PC in the next 12-18 months as PS5 starts to (hopefully) hit its stride.
To be honest i don't see where Jim Ryan was looking if he didn't see any negative customer feedback. They didn't even bring the ameliorations made for Horizon to the PS5 with a patch and it's gonna be the same with Days Gone.
 

SlimySnake

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I have to say. The level of hysteria reached by your posts after they announced this thing, it's incredible. Without offence.
I read and re-read that post you quoted, Im not seeing the hysteria. It's a pretty matter of fact post with a prediction based on events that have transpired in the past with the xbox.

I will break them down so you can point out which part of it you find hysterical.

mark my words.

In two years,

every PS5 game will launch on PC simultaneously.

Thats how long it took for Xbox games to launch on PC after the first game was ported to PC.

I mean this is what Sony themselves posted.

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I think its as clear as it gets. Their goal is probability and they are exploring expanding their 1st party to PC. They dont have any qualifiers here. No talk of bringing only PS4 first party games. I am struggling to see the hysteria here. I do see a lot of people in denial, but instead of lashing out insults or leaving laughing emojis, I am engaging in conversation which is apparently causing some angst judging by the replies I have been getting.

I think if my somewhat grim take on Sony's actions is causing this much heartache, I'd suggest you consider the possibility that you might be the one getting overly upset by these turn of events. I personally am pretty much over it and have spent the day making gifs and poking fun at the situation.
 

assurdum

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I read and re-read that post you quoted, Im not seeing the hysteria. It's a pretty matter of fact post with a prediction based on events that have transpired in the past with the xbox.

I will break them down so you can point out which part of it you find hysterical.









I mean this is what Sony themselves posted.

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I think its as clear as it gets. Their goal is probability and they are exploring expanding their 1st party to PC. They dont have any qualifiers here. No talk of bringing only PS4 first party games. I am struggling to see the hysteria here. I do see a lot of people in denial, but instead of lashing out insults or leaving laughing emojis, I am engaging in conversation which is apparently causing some angst judging by the replies I have been getting.

I think if my somewhat grim take on Sony's actions is causing this much heartache, I'd suggest you consider the possibility that you might be the one getting overly upset by these turn of events. I personally am pretty much over it and have spent the day making gifs and poking fun at the situation.
It's a dangerous and risky move release playstation exclusive at the same time on pc. They could risk to move less software and hardware. It has perfectly sense when the dust is settled, not sure how you can remotely think it's their intent a simultaneous release.
 
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jamwest24

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I read and re-read that post you quoted, Im not seeing the hysteria. It's a pretty matter of fact post with a prediction based on events that have transpired in the past with the xbox.

I will break them down so you can point out which part of it you find hysterical.









I mean this is what Sony themselves posted.

52d073db71de006b3bbcd4bf5dff3de754f629e3.jpg


I think its as clear as it gets. Their goal is probability and they are exploring expanding their 1st party to PC. They dont have any qualifiers here. No talk of bringing only PS4 first party games. I am struggling to see the hysteria here. I do see a lot of people in denial, but instead of lashing out insults or leaving laughing emojis, I am engaging in conversation which is apparently causing some angst judging by the replies I have been getting.

I think if my somewhat grim take on Sony's actions is causing this much heartache, I'd suggest you consider the possibility that you might be the one getting overly upset by these turn of events. I personally am pretty much over it and have spent the day making gifs and poking fun at the situation.

I get absolutely nothing like that from their post. It just seems they’re going to continue to port more older games to build up more reasons to get in on the PS5 like the sentences before implied...

And besides, the install base for PCs that have fast enough SSDs to compete with the PS5 is far too small. It would make much more sense to wait many more years for more PCs to get fast enough drives, then port the first round of 1st party titles.
 
I read and re-read that post you quoted, Im not seeing the hysteria. It's a pretty matter of fact post with a prediction based on events that have transpired in the past with the xbox.

I will break them down so you can point out which part of it you find hysterical.









I mean this is what Sony themselves posted.

52d073db71de006b3bbcd4bf5dff3de754f629e3.jpg


I think its as clear as it gets. Their goal is probability and they are exploring expanding their 1st party to PC. They dont have any qualifiers here. No talk of bringing only PS4 first party games. I am struggling to see the hysteria here. I do see a lot of people in denial, but instead of lashing out insults or leaving laughing emojis, I am engaging in conversation which is apparently causing some angst judging by the replies I have been getting.

I think if my somewhat grim take on Sony's actions is causing this much heartache, I'd suggest you consider the possibility that you might be the one getting overly upset by these turn of events. I personally am pretty much over it and have spent the day making gifs and poking fun at the situation.

I agree I think we'll see PC ports for every one of their games going forward

I don't agree with your comparison with Microsoft since you're leaving a big piece of context out. PC for all intents and purposes to MIcrosoft is an xbox platform. They have their own built in App and Storefront. It makes sense to have same day releases, because regardless of whether you play on their console or PC, they have you within their ecosystem

That doesn't apply to PlayStation. All they're doing is generating a little bit of extra revenue with some of their games, and it says it right there in your image, their focus is getting people to choose PlayStation.

Unless Sony creates their own PlayStation ecosystem on PC, we'll never see same day releases for their games. They'll just continue to release sloppy second ports for additional revenue and generate hype for future exclusives. They can also take advantage of double dippers
 
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ksdixon

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what does the recent saudi prince investments into various companies mean for MS/Sony rumored purchases of those developers/publishers? Make it more expensive, or takes them off the table?
 

mitchman

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what does the recent saudi prince investments into various companies mean for MS/Sony rumored purchases of those developers/publishers? Make it more expensive, or takes them off the table?
Nothing at all. The sovereign fund investment is just a diversification of investments with no expectance of any influence on the companies, besides it's a minority positions anyway.
 

bitbydeath

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mark my words. In two years, every PS5 game will launch on PC simultaneously.

Thats how long it took for Xbox games to launch on PC after the first game was ported to PC.
The only way I see that happening is if Sony fully buys out Epic so they can have their own PC store.
 

Voidout

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Just saw this.



Absolutely disgusting. Gotta love how Sony is treating its most loyal userbase.
Straight up this is heinous. Bought ps5 at launch and it gets backhand support from ps studios? Excuse me what?

Pc support opens the door to these inconsistencies. Just wait till they add improved reflections to God of War or something that could easily be added to the ps5 version
 
Which is happening more often than not. Which is what many of us said would happen when they were flaunting the XSX games at 1440p/60 in their marketing.

Just like the 8K marketing for both the XSX/PS5 will be few and far between.
I saw far more people claim the XSS would hold back the entire console gaming generation not that the XSS would have games that would look worse than the more expensive and more powerful consoles. One is hyperbolic nonsense the other is obvious.
 

Voidout

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It should be as simple as a config setting on consoles too. I dont know why every game has to be rereleased as a PS5 sku to take advantage of the extra PS5 horsepower. The PS5 clearly has access to the increased clocks for both the cpu and gpu in PS4 Pro's BC mode. So why cant they just increase foliage or draw distance? I wonder if its a memory bandwidth thing? Do we know if the PS5 has access to the full 448 GBps of memory bandwidth in BC mode?

I am struggling to understand the BC limitations here. This isnt the first time either. XSX and even the XSS versions of cybperunks are able to run at increased graphical fidelity in BC modes, but the PS5 is running at the same exact PS4 Pro visual settings.



Understood. But I was one of the few who bought this game at launch and sang its praises despite a poor reception from critics who got it completely wrong for a variety of reasons I would rather not go into.

Good for people who passed on the game though.
Early bird takes an L.

Sony stopped caring a while ago tho. Revenue is king.
 

DeepEnigma

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I saw far more people claim the XSS would hold back the entire console gaming generation not that the XSS would have games that would look worse than the more expensive and more powerful consoles. One is hyperbolic nonsense the other is obvious.
There is some truth in game design due to memory limitations, yes. Even worse with cross gen initiative if it goes on too long.
 

devilNprada

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Outriders to Run at 4K 60fps on Next-Gen Except for Series S, Last-Gen & Series S to Be at 30fps


Outriders PlayStation consoles resolution and fps:
  • PS5: 4K 60fps
  • PS4 Pro: 4K 30fps
  • PS4 (Base): 1080P 30fps

Outriders Xbox consoles resolution and fps:

Oh shit I forgot to get the Demo...

How is it?
 
There is some truth in game design due to memory limitations, yes. Even worse with cross gen initiative if it goes on too long.
If a developer is not taking advantage of the memory saving techniques every current gen Xbox has that lies more with those developers than the console itself. Many Sony fans complain when Xbox titles load faster than the PS5 despite the PS5 having obviously faster storage. Comparisons are made to first party titles similarly to how Gears 5 manages to run at 120fps but this title cannot.
 

DeepEnigma

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If a developer is not taking advantage of the memory saving techniques every current gen Xbox has that lies more with those developers than the console itself. Many Sony fans complain when Xbox titles load faster than the PS5 despite the PS5 having obviously faster storage. Comparisons are made to first party titles similarly to how Gears 5 manages to run at 120fps but this title cannot.
Why are we talking about Sony? Can't we discuss some shortcomings of a next-gen box in 2021 without insecurities for the "other brand?"
 

Outriders to Run at 4K 60fps on Next-Gen Except for Series S, Last-Gen & Series S to Be at 30fps


Outriders PlayStation consoles resolution and fps:
  • PS5: 4K 60fps
  • PS4 Pro: 4K 30fps
  • PS4 (Base): 1080P 30fps

Outriders Xbox consoles resolution and fps:


So, difference between XSS and XSX in games will be only in resolution. C'mon, MS, you can do better with tools
 
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Yeah everyone always said there was no power difference between the X1 and XSS. Clearly a case of minimum effort. Sony fans make the same claims when PS5 does not match XSX performance.
Lol, no.

It's more likely the XSS runs the PS5/XSX version with updated assets at 1080p, whereas the XB1X runs the PS4/XB1S version at 4k.

There's more to games than just framerate and resolution people.
 
Why are we talking about Sony? Can't we discuss some shortcomings of a next-gen box in 2021 without insecurities for the "other brand?"
They are all in the same generation and Sony is facing some of the same issues all consoles face. To act like it is above technical difficulties is disingenuous. I know some like to believe that when a game runs poorly on Xbox its a defincency of the Xbox but when games run poorly on PS5 its the software, but that is far from the truth.

Your insecurity comment is pretty funny though if the XSS is as insignificant as many claim it would simply be ignored. You felt the need to make a comment on XSS but didn't call out the lack of a Switch version or Atari VCS.
 

Shmunter

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They are all in the same generation and Sony is facing some of the same issues all consoles face. To act like it is above technical difficulties is disingenuous. I know some like to believe that when a game runs poorly on Xbox its a defincency of the Xbox but when games run poorly on PS5 its the software, but that is far from the truth.

Your insecurity comment is pretty funny though if the XSS is as insignificant as many claim it would simply be ignored. You felt the need to make a comment on XSS but didn't call out the lack of a Switch version or Atari VCS.
I think the expectation is that the added power of XsX should brute force past any shortcomings of a e.g PS5 version. The more refined version, less drops, higher quality effects, better rez.

That was the logical outcome, and many are scratching their heads as to why it hasn’t been the case, including DF.
 

DeepEnigma

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They are all in the same generation and Sony is facing some of the same issues all consoles face. To act like it is above technical difficulties is disingenuous. I know some like to believe that when a game runs poorly on Xbox its a defincency of the Xbox but when games run poorly on PS5 its the software, but that is far from the truth.

Your insecurity comment is pretty funny though if the XSS is as insignificant as many claim it would simply be ignored. You felt the need to make a comment on XSS but didn't call out the lack of a Switch version or Atari VCS.
Again, why are we talking about Sony?

I give up! Keep the fight strong muh dude! :messenger_bicep:
 
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dcmk7

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Again, why are we talking about Sony?

I give up! Keep the fight strong muh dude! :messenger_bicep:

You have my sympathies, it has me wondering whether he is an expert troll or not.

His arguments tend to jump all around the place only to circle back to one (or occasionally more) of the following:
  • Developers need to do their jobs properly.
  • SonyToo.
  • Sony fans are hypocrites.
I'm not sure why he is so obsessed with bringing up Sony or their 'fans' in every other post. Wondering whether it's like an inferiority complex. Or maybe he is.. an expert troll.
 
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