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[Three]

Xbox doesn't force all publishers to use Smart Delivery and Control opted to not use it. You will notice its got no Smart delivery tag anywhere on any of the branding. Therefore it is irrelevant to this discussion.

The rest of your post becomes meaningless when you take that fact into account.

Don't be silly. Why would the rest of my post be meaningless if you take into account the fact that Control allegedly opted out of smart delivery? Just seems like a poor excuse at a counter argument. Of course it doesn't have the tag because they couldn't do it.

Why would the Avengers developer not automate pressing a migrate button?
Why do you think Remedy "opted out" in Control. What technical feat do you think "smart delivery" is exactly? They didn't opt out, they simply couldn't do it without a lot of work and what people seem to think "Smart Delivery" is doesn't help:

Save games unfortunately do not transfer over from previous gen to next-gen. The version of our engine in the next-gen Control is way different to the version used in the previous gen Control. Long story short, lot of changes in things like how we handle data etc.

The Smart delivery tag is essentially marketing like certification mixed with past gen infrastructure. My point is that there isn't something that Sony can easily do now or needs to add to the PS5 that would allow this migration. It's based entirely on how the game used past gen infrastructure and the game/publisher.

Saying that pressing a migrate button is some next gen feature to be added to PS5 or some lack of software prowess that they haven't mastered yet is failing to see the issue. They can't fix this, it's legacy and legal that are the issue with specific games and if the issue isn't there with some games and it migrates without user input just fine they don't have a marketing term or tag to stick on the box for it.

 

[Kagey K]

Don't be silly. Why would the rest of my post be meaningless if you take into account the fact that Control allegedly opted out of smart delivery? Just seems like a poor excuse at a counter argument. Of course it doesn't have the tag because they couldn't do it.

Why would the Avengers developer not automate pressing a migrate button?
Why do you think Remedy "opted out" in Control. What technical feat do you think "smart delivery" is exactly?

Control opted out because they wanted people to buy the Ultimate Edition.

Avengers didn't need a migrate on Xbox. It just worked.

 

[sainraja]

I edited it 8 mins ago you replied 6. It hasn't changed since you replied and it was for a typo.

And no I'm specifically talking about upgrading the game Yesterday from XB1 to Series X vs PS4 to PS5 and having all your content there.

Then you couldn't have been less clear about it! And if that is the case, I am not sure why you were quoting me since I already acknowledged that the PS5 is a little rough around the edges but can improve there.

EDIT just to be super clear here, the scenario you are now talking about is of migrating from last gen to new gen. The original thing you said made it sound like something else!

 

[DarkMage619]

There was nothing I enjoyed more when Destiny 2 upgraded to the 60 FPS version than having to download two 70+gb files on PS5.

So much this! As empty as smart delivery is supposed to be it certainly made my update seamless on XSX. Maybe MS was on to something after all.

 

[Arenafighter]

The Hardware and Software Team @MS is the Best in Industry.... not perfect but the the Best.

 

[Krizalidx11]

The (frame rates mode) console can't carry over save files from old generation console?!

 

[Kagey K]

Then you couldn't have been less clear about it! And if that is the case, I am not sure why you were quoting me since I already acknowledged that the PS5 is a little rough around the edges but can improve there.

EDIT just to be super clear here, the scenario you are now talking about is of migrating from last gen to new gen. The original thing you said made it sound like something else!

Up until yesterday everyone was playing the last gen version of Avengers even on current gen consoles.

Yesterday that changed and it didn't go so smooth for one console. If you are going to argue something you should probably be informed about it Especially when it is listed and detailed in the OP.

I apologize for assuming you read it and actually knew the circumstances surrounding the game we were speaking about before you tried to tell me I was wrong.

 

[sainraja]

Up until yesterday everyone was playing the last gen version of Avengers even on current gen consoles.

Yesterday that changed and it didn't go so smooth for one console. If you are going to argue something you should probably be informed about it Especially when it is listed and detailed in the OP.

You brought up Avengers. I didn't say I know what happened with it.

I was simply talking about how the word smart delivery is being used to describe features that are basically 'quality of life' features that consoles have started to adopt (starting with MS.) Do you not use an iPhone or not have a smartphone? This kind of thing is standard there. Yes, Sony needs to catch up there but who is saying otherwise?

Some of you just got triggered because people are calling it what it is. Smart delivery is just a marketing word being used to brand those features. Apple hasn't branded it and I don't think Android has either. They just do it.

 

[Three]

Control opted out because they wanted people to buy the Ultimate Edition.

Avengers didn't need a migrate on Xbox. It just worked.

No you're dead wrong and just making things up.


And no shit sherlock to your second point

 

[sainraja]

Up until yesterday everyone was playing the last gen version of Avengers even on current gen consoles.

Yesterday that changed and it didn't go so smooth for one console. If you are going to argue something you should probably be informed about it Especially when it is listed and detailed in the OP.

I apologize for assuming you read it and actually knew the circumstances surrounding the game we were speaking about before you tried to tell me I was wrong.

You have to stop editing your post after the fact. I didn't tell you you were wrong or right for that matter (it had nothing to with what I was originally saying so how you can even say it was my argument is a little hilarious.) You responded to me with a vague scenario which I thought was about updates/patches; as the conversation continued, you added more detail to what you were originally saying and then brought up Avengers as an example. Avengers was brought up later, please re-read the conversation.

 

[Kagey K]

You have to stop editing your post after the fact. I didn't tell you you were wrong or right for that matter. You responded to me with a vague scenario which I thought was about updates/patches; as the conversation continued, you added more detail to what you were originally saying and then brought up Avengers as an example. Avengers was brought up later, please re-read the conversation.

After the OP?

Seems strange but sure.

 

[sainraja]

After the OP?

Seems strange but sure.

Huh, you quoted me so I was just giving you a response but now I know I have to play a game of guesses with you. Likely will avoid doing that in the future.

EDIT And the point I was making was completely separate from yours. I don't know why I am even bothering!

 

[Kagey K]

Huh, you quoted me so I was just giving you a response but now I know I have to play a game of guesses with you. Likely will avoid doing that in the future.

EDIT And the point I was making was completely separate from yours. I don't know why I am even bothering!

Don't worry, I fixed it. Thanks for your time.

 

[Bittermich]

this is due to the greedy publisher though. MS really can’t do anything about it. It’s the publishers fault and they should be criticized for it. Not MS, nor Xbox.

 

[sainraja]

Don't worry, I fixed it. Thanks for your time.

I'm confused. What did you fix?

I just re-read the conversation and I see where the confusion started. I see why you brought up the Avengers example but I understood it as something else. Regardless, you quoted me where I was highlighting the similarities of 'smart delivery' with that of a transition from an old iPhone or from one iPhone to a different one. Tell me, how does Apple describe that?

They don't. Unlike Apple, Microsoft decided to brand that very thing and call it smart delivery which is exactly why it is a marketing term - a term they created to brand these features. To market it to people.

 

[xellos2099alpha]

This is onre thing i find ps5 really annoying, i have the ps4 disc version of nioh 2 ands fenyx rising and both of them got free upgrade to ps5 BUT it keeping installing the ps4 version too.

 

[sinnergy]

It was always about convenience.

 

[Larlight]

Yeah props to MS on the smart delivery system. I guess no one knew the extent of its usefulness until the systems were actually out. Guess this will be a minor hassle to anyone who a buy lot of cross gen games in the next 2? something years. But won’t matter once everything is next gen exclusive. That is unless Sony make a software update to allow it to be easier. (Which I doubt will happen)

 

[Team Andromeda]

Smart delivery and quick resume are awesome features. Another Xbox feature that gets little credit is how your saves are tied to your gamertag and not the console, not need to activate or deactivate your console or even pay a sub to upload your saves to the cloud

 

[Kagey K]

Yeah props to MS on the smart delivery system. I guess no one knew the extent of its usefulness until the systems were actually out. Guess this will be a minor hassle to anyone who a buy lot of cross gen games in the next 2? something years. But won’t matter once everything is next gen exclusive. That is unless Sony make a software update to allow it to be easier. (Which I doubt will happen)

And then we can all wite off the next MS advantage after that and the one after.

Its a never ending cycle.

 

[Kagey K]

Smart delivery and quick resume are awesome features. Another Xbox feature that gets little credit is how your saves are tied to your gamertag and not the console, not need to activate or deactivate your console or even pay a sub to upload your saves to the cloud

I am constantly moving from the Series X in the bedroom and the one in my gaming area and never think twice about it.

On other systems it would be "oh shit did I upload my save?" And then running around the house to make sure I did.

 

[Team Andromeda]

I am constantly moving from the Series X in the bedroom and the one in my gaming area and never think twice about it.

On other systems it would be "oh shit did I upload my save?" And then running around the house to make sure I did.

Yep exactly. Its a small pain but if I look to play on my brothers PS Pro I had to manually download/upload a save to the PS Cloud even when I've log in, when on the Xbox all you do is log in

 

[Komatsu]

On other systems it would be "oh shit did I upload my save?" And then running around the house to make sure I did.

I'm currently splitting my Ys IX playing sessions between the PS4 in my living room and my PS5 in the office and it is absolutely demented that I have to manually upload the saves almost every time before I switch.

Whereas with the Xbox, I don't even think about it.

 

[Gloomnivore]

At least you get to double dip on Trophies with Sony’s ham-fisted solution. Or at least I did with Sackboy.

 

[Mmnow]

And then we can all wite off the next MS advantage after that and the one after.

Its a never ending cycle.

My hat goes off ot you here, tbh. In the "which console do your prefer" thread there was a lot of flak about the usual suspects not being as bad as some people say, but this is the second time just on the front page I've seen people just disregarding reality to make their console of choice look better.

You've been massively more patient than I am with it right now.

 

[Eliciel]

Smartphone delivery, don't you guys have phones?

 

[Soodanim]

Did they buy Bethesda to get the rights to that slogan?

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Regardless, you quoted me where I was highlighting the similarities of 'smart delivery' with that of a transition from an old iPhone or from one iPhone to a different one.

But... This is not what smart delivery is, what you are talking about with the smartphones also already existed on consoles, heck moving from an xb1 to an x|s preserves all your settings just like "moving from an old iphone to a new one", but that's not smart delivery.

Smart delivery is what ms calls having the most suitable version of the game for your system, this causes the game files to update instead of downloading a completely different version.
Games with smart delivery then make it impossible to have several versions of the game because it is seen as one version. This is why you can't have to xb1 and x|s versions of the game at the same time, whereas a ps5 version will always be seen as a new game, so you need the ps4 version as well to do save migration if needed.
And because it's seen as only one version with smart delivery, your save is required to be compatible; if the dev can't make that work then they can't implement smart delivery.

 

[Banjo64]

Wow, colour me surprised. So it’s not exactly the the same as PS3/PS4 cross-buy after all.

Once you use an Xbox and have access to quick resume, smart delivery and free cloud saves that automatically sync across platforms, it’s really archaic to go back to Sony/Nintendo’s way of doing it.

 

[Nyxir]

 

[Silent Viper]

Activision said no to Smart Delivery to make people pay extra.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

 

[bender]

Having to download Spiderman (PS4) and NIOH 2 (PS4) just to upload my cloud saves to a 3rd party service so they could be upgraded for use on Spiderman (PS5) and NIOH 2 (PS5) is pretty stupid. My data caps am cry.

 

[Black_Stride]

GAF needs a reaction.
Not a Smart Delivery title.

 

[Edgelord79]

This is one area I wish Sony was better in. Oh well.

The Jim Ryan effect unfortunately.

 

[Edgelord79]

They branded it so they could make it their own, which is part of what marketing is. These are just quality of life features being adopted by many companies that have a product that relies heavily on software. Some companies are just a little more mature when it comes to working on software and we all know Microsoft's bread and butter has been software.

Do you have a PS5? Because even on the PS4 (on standby <-- this also applies to Xbox) you could have been at work, come home, sign in and clicked 'X' (instead of A) and have your game loaded (in the same spot with the same stuff.) As for the rest of your post, all I have to say is '' .

After reading your assurances and posts about "business" in the Xbox exclusivity threads you should really stop trying to grandstand your business acumen.

 

[LisaMariaMartin]

The backend team at Sony is either non-existent or simply incompetent. This goes back to the PS3 days where you couldn't even change your PSN name.

 

[TLZ]

I agree. PS handling of this isn't good.

 

[The Hamburglar]

how big of a deal are we talking? if it all came down to choice between xbox and ps. did someone say they're buying the xbox because it has smart delivery?

 

[REDRZA MWS]

It's not an attack to say the word is a marketing term. Do you guys not have an iPhone? These are quality of life features that are being branded. If you go from an old iPhone to a new one, the transition is pretty much seamless.

Sony has been the absolute KING in terms of marketing terms. “Emotion Engine”..... “Reality Synthesizer”. It sometimes, just sometimes words are needed to describe something or how it works. “Smart delivery” describes that to a tee. It’s amazing how it keeps coming back to, it really does just work. “Emotion Engine” or “Reality Synthesizer” don’t describe anything. They are phrases to make people believe Something is greater than it is. IE; Marketing.

It’s all just business though. In this instance however anyone wants to spin it, Smart delivery perfectly describes what is actually happening.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

The backend team at Sony is either non-existent or simply incompetent. This goes back to the PS3 days where you couldn't even change your PSN name.

Yes, I’m still waiting for VRR and 1440p options. Additional storage would be nice too.

 

[Roberts]

how big of a deal are we talking? if it all came down to choice between xbox and ps. did someone say they're buying the xbox because it has smart delivery?

it’s just one of many perks

 

[Andodalf]

You guys don’t get it, if you really believed in generations, you’d want it to be hard for things to move over! That’s what good old Jim meant the whole time!

 

[Thirty7ven]

Doesn’t really feel like a big deal and more of an opportunity for another puff piece.

 

[Mmnow]

how big of a deal are we talking? if it all came down to choice between xbox and ps. did someone say they're buying the xbox because it has smart delivery?

Does it have to be a system seller to make it worth doing? How many "nice feature, not a system seller" does there need to be before that mass of features becomes a system seller in and of itself?

Auto-hdr. FPS Boost. Smart delivery. Resolution boost, if it ever happens. Individually, none of these might get someone to shell out the price of a console, but together - when the competition doesn't have any of these things - it begins to build a narrative.

And that's true both ways.

 

[FritzJ92]

This is one area I wish Sony was better in. Oh well.

One amongst many. But Sony die hard are too busy eating everything up instead of pressuring them to fix their OS & UI

 

[Krizalidx11]

Xbox SX is on the rise to become a mammoth of a console, so many features + Bethesda games

 

[FritzJ92]

Article about Microsoft, almost every post here is about Sony and PlayStation. Yeah it will not turn into a console war, ah!

btw Microsoft is a software company with an OS, people understand that, correct? Of course Sony and Nintendo will be a bit behind. The good of this is all the 3 companies will try to improve on what they lack and push gaming. Like they always did!

Sony is a hardware company and Microsoft built a very compelling hardware. Sony’s software issues is no excuse as they have built great software in the past.

 

[CeeJay]

Doesn’t really feel like a big deal and more of an opportunity for another puff piece.

That's probably what Xbox engineers were shooting for to be honest. It's a real complement when a feature is so well integrated and so well done that it fades into the background and isn't noticed. It's only when compared to what another similar product is doing and how clunky it could have been that you can appreciate the work that the Xbox engineers have done. The whole experience of moving from Xbox One to Series X was really slick and effortless with so many nice touches to the point where it didn't feel like a traditional console transition. On one hand it felt underwhelming because it was so familiar and nothing like a new experience. Yet in retrospect its not because of unimagitive laziness, it was because of top tier engineering and a drive to deliver a quality well rounded and well thought out product.

 

[FeldMonster]

Does it have to be a system seller to make it worth doing? How many "nice feature, not a system seller" does there need to be before that mass of features becomes a system seller in and of itself?

Auto-hdr. FPS Boost. Smart delivery. Resolution boost, if it ever happens. Individually, none of these might get someone to shell out the price of a console, but together - when the competition doesn't have any of these things - it begins to build a narrative.

And that's true both ways.

Don't forget Quick Resume, Free/Automatic Cloud Saves, and multi-generation backwards compatibility.