michaelius
Banned
Steam has no problems monetizing old content. Sony would make money on it too if someone bother to put those games on sale.
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Report: PS3, Vita, And PSP Stores To Be Permanently Closed In A Few Months
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Steam has no problems monetizing old content. Sony would make money on it too if someone bother to put those games on sale.
cireza
Member
"Chill out bros, we are just taking away stuff from you"
People complaining about this still use their PSP, PS Vita and PS3. They have all the right to complain about it.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Whoa, how do you really feel? You are one meme away in that sentence from a FUD poker there (no, the decision to shutter these stores is still mega uber shitty, but the reaction to it is in some cases giving it a good fight)...
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Nah, they are as PlayStation a healthy profitable business that should care more for their legacy and monetise it better. It is insane that without PS3/PSP/PS Vita/PS Classic (eww) they have no way to monetise PSOne games on their PS4/PS5 stores or digitally in any form or shape, same for PS2 titles (except PS2 Classics) or PS3 titles (PSNow is too niche for an answer to that).
Their PS2/PS3 BC support (super limited and only PS2 wise for non PSNow offerings) is one of the reasons that got me into purchasing the XSX and investing in buying quite a bit of OG Xbox and Xbox 360 games.
HaveButOneLife
Banned
Game Pass isn't looking as good now, that service can go away if Microsoft wanted it to. It seems secured right now because it's successful but let's hope that it's not some fad. That's my only real critique of the service, is that it promotes digital media a bit too much.
Papacheeks
Banned
You wonder if at some point they will add vita games to PS NOW. And also imagine if PS NOW is the way you play your older titles, through validation on your account. Like have it see your ownership of said title either it be PSVITA OR PS3, and you can play it via stream it up-res.
But yea, there's some decent vita/psp/ps3 games that people would love to play. Maybe they have plans to take the larger more known titles from PS3 and remaster/remake them? Until they comment on something like that this is a bad look.
But yea, there's some decent vita/psp/ps3 games that people would love to play. Maybe they have plans to take the larger more known titles from PS3 and remaster/remake them? Until they comment on something like that this is a bad look.
Fox Mulder
Member
Sony just doesn’t gives a shit about that old stuff. They put out a shitty ps1 classic that sold horribly and gave up on the ps2 games on ps4. They’ll pop out a remake every few years to check a nostalgia announcement box for E3 or something.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was required to get angry about shit I really don't care about!
I have 2 PS3's with loads of games on them, and haven't turned on either more than a handul of times in the last 7 years.
Ozrimandias
Member
It worries me, not so much that I can not buy more in these stores, but rather what will happen with the games that I already own in digital.
The games are validated by an internal clock in the console. At some point PS3 and PSVita will not receive support of any kind and that will make my entire digital collection disappear. Psone and Ps2 Classics. I cannot play these games anywhere other than PS3 (The Shin Megami Tensei saga for example)
The games are validated by an internal clock in the console. At some point PS3 and PSVita will not receive support of any kind and that will make my entire digital collection disappear. Psone and Ps2 Classics. I cannot play these games anywhere other than PS3 (The Shin Megami Tensei saga for example)
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
In fairness the rather unique SPE setup on the PS3 makes anything approaching accurate emulation impossible on currently existing hardware. Anything Sony could cobble together would have some pretty serious compatibility issues.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Going by reports, even physical discs might not work if that cmos battery thing is true (whatever the fuck a cmos battery even is).
Gamepass is doing fine. Not going anywhere anytime soon and people are smart enough to know a sub plan doesn't equate to keeping any content. No different than Netflix. If Netflix goes bankrupt tomorrow, nobody expects people to still download movies and keep them. MS promotes GP as a digital service because it is a digital service. They already promote it by allowing gamers a discount to buy the game if it's on GP. They aren't going to tell gamers to buy the games and quit the service.
MrTroubleMaker
Member
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
So much stunning and brave in here.
HaveButOneLife
Banned
It still promotes an all digital future, which is objectively a flawed concept. The biggest flaw of physical media is shelf and hard drive space... that's pretty much it.
NinjaBoiX
Member
It’s not like you can’t still use those systems, or download your games that you own.
pasterpl
Member
At least with gamepass they are quite straight forward, it is a rental service, you are not purchasing games or any rights to it via gamepass, it is completely different than buying digital version of a game and then relying on platform holder to keep this online for you so you can access it whenever you want
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
That makes no sense. What do you think costs more to run? The store front that people use to give you money...or the CDN that spans the entire globe, holds TB if not PB of data, brings in no income of its own and has to continue to operate to allow you to download your games.
cireza
Member
You won't be able to do this eventually.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Well, theres a case for both sides.
One side will say digital access should be active for ages or forever because there's no other way to play the game, and if a cmos thing borks it, it makes it worse.
The other side is that even for digital access, is it really any different than buying a game requiring online access and the the studio shuts down servers so it's unplayable going forward? Kind of seems the same to me. it gets to a point if its not worth keeping up, then ditch it.
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MeatSafeMurderer
Member
On the flip side you can't take the consumers money and run because it's no longer convenient to you and then act shocked when they start completely disregarding your intellectual property rights and sharing content amongst themselves that you refuse to sell to them.
Fox Mulder
Member
digital is fine, these are just flaws of a closed system like a console. Sony doesn’t give a shit, so an entire generation gets severely left behind. They already gave up on ps1 and ps2.
I sold my xb1 years ago but will probably buy a Series X or something and will have my whole library of xb1 games and BC 360 games ready. That’s how digital should should be.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Let’s start by emulating well PS1 and PS2 titles, sure PS3 will be a big effort but less than remastering all those titles is going to be. I think it will come in time.
PS Now cannot sustainably keep running on CELL blades forever and I am not sure they could afford to just remove all those games and give people a
“Well Bye” kind of reply.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Yes. But gamers support it, so the vast majority of gamers dont care about the limitations of digital games. 70% of games sold are now digital on console, and for PC it's probably 99% for the past 10 years. And taking it a step further, mtx has been growing like crazy as people will pay $$$ for weapon skins and shit like that.
It seems the convenience factor of downloading a game and playing it with a click resonates more than buying discs, selling/trading games to get value back. Turns out getting off their fat ass to change a disc has been the #1 priority the whole time to kill. Consoles just needed some decent online marketplaces and come with an HDD/SSD big enough to hoard games.
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theclaw135
Banned
This is barely even a "rumor", YET. The original article cites anonymous sources.
Bryank75
Banned
No reason to close PS3 and Vita... the last few weeks have stunk of Jim Ryan just going through the company cost cutting. It seems to be his main focus, just looking at anything he (in his out of touch stupor) sees as an unnecessary expense.
He seems to be happy enough to just be a bean counter manager, put old games on PC and raise prices to say he is bringing in more revenue per sale and then cut costs aggressively, while trying to push PSNow to gain subscribers to show recurring income and copy Xbox more or less.
No vision, no real growth, no countering the damage that has been done. No understanding of what Xbox has done to erode PlayStations USP's with Japanese exclusives like Yakuza, Football manager, possibly Persona and of course Octopath coming from Switch to Xbox before PlayStation is just embarrassing.
Then he uses PS+ as a band aid, throw us out a new-ish game to keep us quiet.... as if it's not completely transparent.
This is shit management, with no understanding of customers and no vision for the future.
He seems to be happy enough to just be a bean counter manager, put old games on PC and raise prices to say he is bringing in more revenue per sale and then cut costs aggressively, while trying to push PSNow to gain subscribers to show recurring income and copy Xbox more or less.
No vision, no real growth, no countering the damage that has been done. No understanding of what Xbox has done to erode PlayStations USP's with Japanese exclusives like Yakuza, Football manager, possibly Persona and of course Octopath coming from Switch to Xbox before PlayStation is just embarrassing.
Then he uses PS+ as a band aid, throw us out a new-ish game to keep us quiet.... as if it's not completely transparent.
This is shit management, with no understanding of customers and no vision for the future.
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
Maybe in 10-15 years, but right now it's no-go, atleast not with any level of considerable compatibility. They could certainly get some games going by only emulating some SPEs, using hacks etc. CELL was a blessing and a curse. Nigh unlimited potential rarely tapped because it was a nightmare to program for and now it's a nightmare to emulate too.Let’s start by emulating well PS1 and PS2 titles, sure PS3 will be a big effort but less than remastering all those titles is going to be. I think it will come in time.
PS Now cannot sustainably keep running on CELL blades forever and I am not sure they could afford to just remove all those games and give people a
PS1 and PS2 should be piss easy though. Hell I think PS1 emulation might be just about possible to get cycle accurate.
Agent X
Member
I agree. This is what Sony should've done on PS4. Even if PS4 wasn't powerful enough to handle PS3 emulation, they could have at least given us PS1 and PS2 backward compatibility. It wouldn't be the first time Sony had skipped a generation for backward compatibility (referring to later model PS3s that could play PS1 games, but not PS2 games).
With regard to PS3 game compatibility:
- While PS4 might not have the horsepower to emulate PS3 acceptably with full speed, it's commonly believed that PS5 should be able to do so, considering that outside programmers have been able to get some PS3 games playable on less powerful hardware for a few years now.
- It is my understanding that Xbox One does not actually emulate the entire Xbox and Xbox 360 architectures, but rather uses recompiled versions of the games. This is why games cannot run directly from disc, and must be downloaded from their servers. This is also why these games don't have comprehensive backward compatibility--each game still has to be tested and tweaked if necessary to avoid noticeable glitches and/or add performance enhancements.
- If Sony so desired, they could have employed a similar approach as Microsoft--recompile a selection of older PS3 games to work with the PS4 architecture, then treat them as "cross-buy" products (so consumers don't have to repurchase them). Pretty much everyone knows that not all Xbox and Xbox 360 games work on Xbox One or Xbox Series X/S systems. If Sony achieved a roughly similar percentage of "backward compatible" games, then (in light of Microsoft's efforts) I think consumers might have accepted that, as it would have been better than nothing at all.
PS Now cannot sustainably keep running on CELL blades forever and I am not sure they could afford to just remove all those games and give people a
True, and that's another incentive for them to work on true PS3 emulation for PS5 and future systems.
Earlier in this thread, there was a quote from a developer of a new Vita game, who confirmed that there would be a closure in the near future. They weren't given a specific date, but were told to expect their game to be available for only about four months.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
If you check GOG, it looks like one of the first games they uploaded was MDK in 2008. You can read review comments from people 13 years ago. Its still there to buy.
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Rock And Roll
Member
If this was just a rumour I'm sure Sony would have come out by now and shot it down, as it made the rounds pretty heavily yesterday.
BbMajor7th
Gold Member
I wouldn't have thought discontinuing digital storefront support for consumer electronics that are nearly old enough to drive (PSP turns 16 this year) would generate that much shock, but there you go...
Wii Shop Channel was canned over two years ago and I remember when I heard about that thinking 'it's still going!?'
Wii Shop Channel was canned over two years ago and I remember when I heard about that thinking 'it's still going!?'
Edgelord79
Gold Member
How long are companies required to keep online services going? Serious question. I mean, at what point is it reasonable to say that it's okay to shut some of these down?
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Vae_Victis
Banned
Well to be fair, even quite old games on PC (if they run on Windows originally) are usually compatible with modern machines with minimal effort on the part of the developers. Just like PS4 games and PS5 games are almost all automatically compatible. And those games that have issues running on modern PCs either get a special "semi-remaster" treatment (which usually comes with a price hike as well, like on consoles), won't work properly on almost any configuration you can realistically set up today, or are not being sold at all (for example, Blade of Darkness was put on sale on GOG at some point, but due to the poor compatibility and the many issues reported by users was later de-listed and never put back on the store).
This is not to excuse Sony "losing" two thirds of its historical library due to the path they took, but game conservation on PC is inherently made easier by the fact that the main OS used for the past 25 years worldwide never really changed its system architecture, or faced the need to throw a spanner of its own backwards compatibility due to market pushes or constraints from any given moment in time. If Sony gets to release a PS8 or PS9 20 years from now and they will still run on x86, most likely PS4 games will still be there to buy.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Nobody knows.
If people are going to benchmark, you got Steam, GOG, Nintendo and MS online stores to compare against for access
Vae_Victis
Banned
Whatever is written in the EULA (so, probably no minimum requirement at all), or what your local Government put into law / Court of Justice decrees the first time somebody sues a company for selling a product and then cutting off access to it too soon afterwards.
I think the EU is fighting back to some extent against digital storefronts claiming that users buy licences and not products therefore consumer protection rules related to the sale of products don't apply to them, but I honestly don't know what the official stance (or practical standing) is in this regard.
GardenOfAbbylon
Member
What do YOU mean by 'what do you mean 'you people''????
Aldynes
Member
CHILL ! ALRIGHT ? JUST CHILL IT
Keihart
Member
Oh yes, i bet everyone is very worried about sony losing some bucks on a storefront with 0 traffic as you call it. God forbid they lose some bucks supporting their legacy hardware, they could go bankrupt !
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Fixed your post for you fam.
You can still buy (bc) xbox games for the first xbox, and 360 games.
On pc its even better.
So yeah.
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GardenOfAbbylon
Member
I loved James Franco in that movieIT'S JUST GOOD BUSINESS GUYS, JIM RYAN IT'S JUST DOING GOOD BUSINESS!
PLAYSTATION IT'S THE BEST PLACE TO PLAY!
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
You do get the difference between current and legacy product is that generally the latter isn't supported anymore? Because its legacy product.
DeadOblivion78
Member
I don't see eye to eye with david jaffe on a lot of things but this is true.