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[DKehoe]

What a bizarre comment, so is it a moral issue for you or just a point scoring exercise based on sport?

It’s not relevant anyway, as I’ve never met a City fan at the ground who’s been like ‘oh my god we have to win the treble’, but we won the only domestic treble in the 133 year history of the English game.

I’m not sure what your point is. He’s part of a regime that commits atrocities? OK. What’s your point? So was Tony Blair and all of his cabinet when he started the Iraq war with George Bush. So was Obama when he led his drone war on hundreds of desert villages.

We’re definitely his best cog. Although the Barclay’s and Virgin Galactic deals were pretty sick too.

City fans often cite their years of watching the club toil away in obscurity in comparison to what they now have. That they put up with the hard times and now get to enjoy the success. As I said previously I can see the allure in that to an extent. You go from division two to having players like De Bruyne and winning titles. I just meant that if you were invested in the club from an early age and saw it taken over by that lot in exchange for on the pitch success you'd at least want something properly meaningful in return. Also, City fans were absolutely talking about winning the treble or quadruple this season.

Yeh, if Blair, Bush, Obama or any other war criminals ran a football club as a means to give themselves a nice PR image that would be horrible too. That's what City and PSG are.

They aren't the most valuable asset though. If City were their best or even favourite cog wouldn't he have attended more than a handful of games? City is a shiny toy they use to make people think they are nice and even defend them.

 

[Banjo64]

City fans often cite their years of watching the club toil away in obscurity in comparison to what they now have. That they put up with the hard times and now get to enjoy the success. As I said previously I can see the allure in that to an extent. You go from division two to having players like De Bruyne and winning titles. I just meant that if you were invested in the club from an early age and saw it taken over by that lot in exchange for on the pitch success you'd at least want something properly meaningful in return. Also, City fans were absolutely talking about winning the treble and quadruple this season.

Yeh, if Blair, Bush, Obama or any other war criminals ran a football club as a means to give themselves a nice PR image that would be horrible too. That's what City and PSG are.

They aren't the most valuable asset though. If City were their best or even favourite cog wouldn't he have attended more than a handful of games? City is a shiny toy they use to make people think they are nice and even defend them.

The media were absolutely. Show me where City fans said this.

Meaningful? Because we aren’t arrogant bastards, even the league cup is significant to us. Are you saying every trophy any club ever wins is insignificant unless it’s part of a treble? We’re the best team in Europe and have been the best team in England over the past 10 years, that’s as meaningful as it gets.

I don’t have to defend Shiekh Mansour because I’m not a retard and I understand that literally every person in a position of actual power in the world is part of gruesome acts. And that’s not limited to politicians, but most banks, major corporations and global conglomerates. Those Nike bucks that Barcelona get are built on the back of child labour, getting 2p a day in some sweatshop in China or Taiwan.

If you genuinely gave a fuck about human rights or whatever it is you’re saying you’d literally have 0 electronics, 0 branded clothing and would live completely self sustained.

 

[Unknown Quantity]

By the way, Florentino has talked again.

Among a lot of things, there's one thing I think he's right about: the lack of transparency from UEFA and FIFA.

We don't know how they operate, we don't know what their members earn (money that cames from the fans and the teams) and they are institutions heavily tainted by corruption. We are literally going to play a World Cup (in winter) in a country with a severe lack of human rights but that has a lot of tentacles into the UEFA and FIFA (Al-Khelaifi has been named new president of the ECA right now). A lot of people has died in the construction of the stadiums for some reason and seems like nobody cares at all, seems like all that is a price everybody is willing to pay in exchange for some oil money.

More accountability and transparency about all of this should be mandatory..

Something evil, unlike british and arab sheik managing style.

From the Perez interview you never mention it was Man city that didn't want it. Said it was against football.

Pérez said: “The one from Manchester saw the campaign saying this will kill the leagues, that it won’t allow [sporting] merit, that it was the end of football. There are people who have privileges and don’t want to lose them, even if it ruins football. When the English called me [on Tuesday], we met to see what we could do. They tried, but said: ‘Look, we’re not going to do this.’”

Pérez blames one breakaway English club for Super League's collapse

The Super League collapsed partly because one club, understood to be Manchester City, was not fully on board, according to Pérez

www.theguardian.com

That didn't fit your narrative so please fuck off. Create a thread to continue your bullshit if you want & tout your new improved game.

 

[DKehoe]

The media were absolutely. Show me where City fans said this.

Meaningful? Because we aren’t arrogant bastards, even the league cup is significant to us. Are you saying every trophy any club ever wins is insignificant unless it’s part of a treble? We’re the best team in Europe and have been the best team in England over the past 10 years, that’s as meaningful as it gets.

I don’t have to defend Shiekh Mansour because I’m not a retard and I understand that literally every person in a position of actual power in the world is part of gruesome acts. And that’s not limited to politicians, but most banks, major corporations and global conglomerates. Those Nike bucks that Barcelona get are built on the back of child labour, getting 2p a day in some sweatshop in China or Taiwan.

If you genuinely gave a fuck about human rights or whatever it is you’re saying you’d literally have 0 electronics, 0 branded clothing and would live completely self sustained.

I heard from ones who were. But at this point we're just trading anecdotal evidence.

I like how it's shifted from "you can't prove he's linked to slavery!" to "ok, so he's linked to slavery but..." Slavery is still a massive thing in the world. In rich countries we like to not think about it as anything other than a relic of the past but as you said it permeates so many factors of our lives. The City/PSG stuff is it sinking its tendrils deeper into football. And I think objecting to that doesn't mean you are excusing the rest. Otherwise nobody can ever criticise anything.

 

[Banjo64]

I heard from ones who were. But at this point we're just trading anecdotal evidence.

I like how it's shifted from "you can't prove he's linked to slavery!" to "ok, so he's linked to slavery but..." Slavery is still a massive thing in the world. In rich countries we like to not think about it as anything other than a relic of the past but as you said it permeates so many factors of our lives. The City/PSG stuff is it sinking its tendrils deeper into football. And I think objecting to that doesn't mean you are excusing the rest. Otherwise nobody can ever criticise anything.

I actually said can you prove he’s directly linked to slavery, which you didn’t, you just said he’s part of a regime responsible for slavery.

Good mental gymnastics. I’m not the one making excuses for anything, I think everyone’s a horrible cunt. I’m just not going to sit there and say one thing is bad whilst ignoring child sweatshops like the worlds biggest fucking hypocrite.

 

[cyber_ninja]

Would be amazing, if all 12 teams were banned from European football next season.

 

[Squirrel Killer]

Would be amazing, if all 12 teams were banned from European football next season.

Spurs are way ahead of you.

 

[sharkie]

The brother of City's owner did that to someone. Got a police officer to help him torture someone out in the desert and had it recorded so he could watch it back for fun later. And obviously there's the slavery stuff too. No doubt Barcelona and other teams have their issues. But City are directly tied to that regime. At least Barcelona responded to pressure and moved on from having Qatar as a sponsor. City are rotten to the fucking core.

I get that a lot of City fans grew up without the kind of success they now have. So perhaps it's more tempting to turn a blind eye to what's fuelling that success. And maybe it's easier to judge if you're more used to seeing your team be successful. But surely there's a limit.

Stop reading the daily mail where its founder is a Nazi apologist,If its moral point scoring, lets have some fun:
How no corruption ever happens in England while we're all in lockdown. Or here
Or how about War crimes getting blocked causes the Americans dont want there soldiers in a bad light like here or even pardon them like here or here, seems like brown lives only matter when it fits your agenda? How about brown babies? or how about we have a ME TOO correction on the american Army?
How MI6 can torture or kill as long as someone signs off on it sound familiar? and also can never be put in jail for it
How about Slavery? How about genocide just ignore that?
Fact is there are some horrible shits out there and no hands are clean unfortunatley humans arent that great to eachother, and where they are from and what they look like does not matter shit cunts are everywhere, finger pointing at eachother doesnt help anyone, fact is the majority of the news outlets are owned and run by billionaires, they dont give a shit about any of us and thier focus is to divide regular people on issues that dont really matter in the large scope of things while they continue to tribalise us and leech every pound dollar dinar lira off us as they destroy the planet we live on everyday for the sake of greed, simply they believe that they are our betters and the money is better in there hands (I've heard these actual words used multiple times by these kind of multiple people)
Understand the kind of people that run the world and how they truly can not give a fuck about the actual people and they only care about themselves and will justify anything , p.s read the psychopath test by Jon Ronson.

 

[DKehoe]

I actually said can you prove he’s directly linked to slavery, which you didn’t, you just said he’s part of a regime responsible for slavery.

Good mental gymnastics. I’m not the one making excuses for anything, I think everyone’s a horrible cunt. I’m just not going to sit there and say one thing is bad whilst ignoring child sweatshops like the worlds biggest fucking hypocrite.

I did? He's part of the group of people enforcing that system. If you're responsible for it then you're linked to it.

Would be amazing, if all 12 teams were banned from European football next season.

They all deserve it at this point. I worry they'll either have nothing happen to them and things will go back to "normal" or they'll get a meaningless slap on the wrist. Either way they'll just bide their time and try something similar further down the road.

Stop reading the daily mail where its founder is a Nazi apologist,If its moral point scoring, lets have some fun:
How no corruption ever happens in England while we're all in lockdown. Or here
Or how about War crimes getting blocked causes the Americans dont want there soldiers in a bad light like here or even pardon them like here or here, seems like brown lives only matter when it fits your agenda? How about brown babies? or how about we have a ME TOO correction on the american Army?
How MI6 can torture or kill as long as someone signs off on it sound familiar? and also can never be put in jail for it
How about Slavery? How about genocide just ignore that?
Fact is there are some horrible shits out there and no hands are clean unfortunatley humans arent that great to eachother, and where they are from and what they look like does not matter shit cunts are everywhere, finger pointing at eachother doesnt help anyone, fact is the majority of the news outlets are owned and run by billionaires, they dont give a shit about any of us and thier focus is to divide regular people on issues that dont really matter in the large scope of things while they continue to tribalise us and leech every pound dollar dinar lira off us as they destroy the planet we live on everyday for the sake of greed, simply they believe that they are our betters and the money is better in there hands (I've heard these actual words used multiple times by these kind of multiple people)
If you really want to understand the kind of people that run the world and how they truly can not give a fuck about the actual people and they only care about themselves and will justify anything , p.s read the psychopath test by Jon Ronson.

Yeh, there's a lot of bad shit. I'm not excusing any of that. And I'm in agreement with you on all of those points. But you can use this kind of whataboutism to stop anyone criticising everything.

We now apparently can't talk about politics so I'm going to leave it at that.

 

[Unknown Quantity]

We now apparently can't talk about politics so I'm going to leave it at that.

We've had 10 pages of it. Lock the thread if need be.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Drama will continue, Barcelona won't back off:

 

[Jon Neu]

Espanyol took that name because it started as a team inside the Spanish Athletic Federation and they were called the Spanish Football Association.

A year later they changed their name to español (Spanish team), since the city already had the Barcelona team, the Catalan team and the Hispanic team and it linked them to their original name and progenitor association. Yeah, surprise, this city had more than two teams at the turn of the century.

You’re trying to retrofit your current political biases to something that happened over 100 years ago.

You're literally admitting that in every itineration of their name, they desperately wanted to be known as SPANISH in their name. If you think that hadn't any political connotation, I don't know what else to tell you.

I have no horse in this race but Espanyol have been under Chinese ownership since 2016. If it was under an Abramovitch type of ownership, they would have been doing much better. In the meantime, Barcelona carries a massive debt and are close to bankruptcy.

Barça will come out of the bad situation like every time through history.

And Espanyol will continue to be a trash team with no actual fans.

In case you’ve missed it mate, no one is allowed to do that anymore.

Yeah, I'm sure UEFA and FIFA looked HARD into the books of PSG when they spent 220 millions on Neymar and 180 millions on Mbappe. Completely normal for a team like PSG to have that kind of money. Farmers league sure it's beneficial for them and them only, nothing to do with the money of the owner guise!

By the way mate, did you miss the recent declarations of the UEFA about Financial Fair Play? They are basically telling they are going to soften up things and look the other way (even harder now).

 

[Jon Neu]

From the Perez interview you never mention it was Man city that didn't want it. Said it was against football.

I literally don't know what are you talking about.

But it's so funny to come up and say Man City didn't want the Super League after they literally signed for it and are one of the Original Founders. The fact that they have chicken out after seeing the fan response, doesn't change that fact. By the way, Perez also has said that no team has officially resigned yet, you have to pay a 9 million penalty to get out.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

You're literally admitting that in every itineration of their name, they desperately wanted to be known as SPANISH in their name. If you think that hadn't any political connotation, I don't know what else to tell you.

And yet that name has nothing to do with your nationalist fantasies as I explained.

Catalan Nationalism had yet to win any seats in an election when the team was founded.

 

[Jon Neu]

And yet that name has nothing to do with your nationalist fantasies as I explained.

La Lliga Regionalista, the first political party belonging to Catalan Nationalism hadn’t even participated in an election when the team formed.

No, you explained precisely why Espanyol's name has spanish nationalists connotations.

And please, spanish and catalan patriotism/nationalism predates la lliga regionalista by far. Catalonia has self-proclamed it's independence as a Republic 8 times through history, the first one as early as 1641.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

Barça will come out of the bad situation like every time through history.

And Espanyol will continue to be a trash team with no actual fans.

Unless a billionaire jumps in and bails Barcelona out, they are in big trouble. They spent money they did not have to keep the likes of Messi (essentially to buy the Messi fans) and desperately needed the ESL.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

No, you explained precisely why Espanyol's name has spanish nationalists connotations.

And please, spanish and catalan patriotism/nationalism predates la lliga regionalista by far. Catalonia has self-proclamed it's independence as a Republic 8 times through history, the first one as early as 1641.

By the time the nineteenth century rolled out that was all forgiven until the Renaixença, the Jocs Florals and so on.

Heck at that time the majority view was of Catalonia as a nation inside a country, and although some minority secessionist views existed, they wouldn’t coalesce until 1918 with the famous Comite Pro Catalunya.

For being a nationalist you’re not well informed of the history of your own movement.

 

[German Hops]

rip, super league..

 

[Jon Neu]

Unless a billionaire jumps in and bails Barcelona out, they are in big trouble. They spent money they did not have to keep the likes of Messi (essentially to buy the Messi fans) and desperately needed the ESL.

Bartomeu spent a fortune in crap such as Coutinho, Dembele, Griezmann, Pjanic, Andre Gomes, Arda Turan... Just those 6 players alone and their salaries are 3/4 of the debt Barça has.

Bartomeu created a team with a gargantuan salary spending and he got away with it because the benefits the team generated were really high (Barça was the richer team in the world and the one who generated more benefits), but the coronavirus situation has killed a big chunk of those benefits.

But once the situation comes back to normal, a big flux of money it's going to come back and I'm sure Laporta it's smart enough to alleviate the salary situation and not spend ridiculous amounts of money on crappy players.

And let's not forget the importance Barça has not only for Catalonia, but for La Liga (for Real Madrid) and for the spanish state. None of those entities will allow Barça to be really in trouble.

By the time the nineteenth century rolled out that was all forgiven until the Renaixença, the Jocs Florals and so on.

Congratulations, you proved my point.

The Renaixença starts in 1833 while Espanyol was founded in the 1900, modern catalanism was already a thing in the 1870/80's with Jove Catalunya or Unió Catalanista, 30 to 20 years before a group of spanish immigrants decided to create a team in Barcelona and call it ESPAÑOL with the intention of having a team of spanish players only. Totally not a nationalistic approach.

Spanish nationalists trying to manipulate catalan history it's nothing new, but you should at least try to not fall into such clumsy incoherences.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Unless a billionaire jumps in and bails Barcelona out, they are in big trouble. They spent money they did not have to keep the likes of Messi (essentially to buy the Messi fans) and desperately needed the ESL.

I wouldn’t worry. Spain is about to receive a large chunk of the COVID recovery European funds. And part of it will be managed by regional governments.

And guess what: Laporta (Barça president) is buddy buddy with the guys that run the regional government.

 

[Jon Neu]

I wouldn’t worry. Spain is about to receive a large chunk of the COVID recovery European funds. And part of it will be managed by regional governments.

And guess what: Laporta (Barça president) is buddy buddy with the guys that run the regional government.

Imagine believing Catalonia has any power of decision over the European Funds.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

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Congratulations, you proved my point.

The Renaixença starts in 1833 while Espanyol was founded in the 1900, modern catalanism was already a thing in the 1870/80's with Jove Catalunya or Unió Catalanista, 30 to 20 years before a group of spanish immigrants decided to create a team in Barcelona and call it ESPAÑOL with the intention of having a team of spanish players only. Totally not a nationalistic approach.

Spanish nationalists trying to manipulate catalan history it's nothing new, but you should at least try to not fall into such clumsy incoherences.

You still don’t want to understand that until seccecionism became mainstream several decades later declaring oneself Spanish was not a political statement since the dichotomy between those entities hadn’t manifested yet. For the mainstream nationalist views of the time being Catalan meant being Spanish.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Imagine believing Catalonia has any power of decision over the European Funds.

Once the funds are sent to states, they’re the ones to manage them. Not the first time it happened, the regional government also managed cohesion funds.

 

[DonJorginho]

Drama will continue, Barcelona won't back off:

Laporta is Florentino's puppet, Flo knows he has Laporta wrapped around his finger in this due to the financial debt they NEED to clear.

That's why we pulled out first, as we are better financially than any of these clubs bar City right now with no reason to want to strengthen our rivals' finances. So it made no sense at all.

 

[Jon Neu]

You still don’t want to understand that until seccecionism became mainstream several decades later declaring oneself Spanish was not a political statement since the dichotomy between those entities hadn’t manifested yet. For the mainstream nationalist views of the time being Catalan meant being Spanish.

Sorry, you're just plain wrong. The catalan vs spanish dichotomy was already a thing when Español was created, to the point that those first teams were separated by teams that wanted to play with catalans only and teams that wanted to play with spaniards only (like Español).

The rivalry between Catalonia & catalanism against Spain & spanish nationalism has been a thing in the catalan society long before Español was created.

I'll give you an example of the society in which Español was created, this is what Francisco Silvela, Prime Minister of Spain said half a year before Español was created:

"Yo creo que hay un gran número de enfermedades, y singularmente las enfermedades nerviosas, para las cuales es perfectamente perjudicial todo lo que sea excitación, y aun la conversación sobre ellas; y no le doy al catalanismo más alcance ni más carácter que el de una verdadera enfermedad nerviosa."

For non spanish speakers, he basically said that catalanism is a nervous disease. He also said later that the feeling of being catalan was a disease.

The Catalonia vs Spain duality never went away, it just evolved along with the times. Claiming that what Español did was just "a coincidence" it's at best incredibly naive.

Once the funds are sent to states, they’re the ones to manage them. Not the first time it happened, the regional government also managed cohesion funds.

The spanish state is the one who is going to "supervise" the spending of the part of the fundings they are going to send to the autonomies. In reality, they are the ones who are going to decide where those funds go while claiming that the autonomical governments are the ones doing it.

 

[Jon Neu]

According to a spanish paper, there's a fine of 300 millions for leaving the Super League.

This is going to be fun.

 

[DonJorginho]

According to a spanish paper, there's a fine of 300 millions for leaving the Super League.

This is going to be fun.

As if that will actually happen, and besides, Chelsea and City alone have the lawyers to slaughter any challenge from that dementia ridden cunt Perez.

 

[Jon Neu]

As if that will actually happen, and besides, Chelsea and City alone have the lawyers to slaughter any challenge from that dementia ridden cunt Perez.

Perez isn't short on money neither, and if those clubs signed a contract he has a great advantage already.

 

[DonJorginho]

Perez isn't short on money neither, and if those clubs signed a contract he has a great advantage already.

I wouldn't believe anything this guy says, he is the same one accusing Tebas of being behind the Chelsea protest and said that no clubs would leave literally hours before they all did.

And that is true, but Real Madrid are in serious debt and he has publicly said that they need the Super League to make Haaland level transfers, clubs like Chelsea or City won't need the Super League for this.

These headlines along with Perez's comments scream more of desperation, there's a reason why it's only the two main debt holding clubs in Barca and Madrid who are staying in the Super League.

 

[MadPanda]

Maybe this question will be ignored but I have to ask nonetheless.

Why was France out of all countries given the fifth spot for uefa champions league qualifications?

I didn't like the idea of supeleague, but uefa is maybe even worse than that.

 

[Jon Neu]

I wouldn't believe anything this guy says

It's a paper, not Florentino.

 

[DonJorginho]

It's a paper, not Florentino.

1. Is it reliable?
2. Is it a mouthpiece for Flo/Real
3. All my points still stand, whoever it is, they won't have a good reasoning.

 

[Jon Neu]

1. Is it reliable?
2. Is it a mouthpiece for Flo/Real
3. All my points still stand, whoever it is, they won't have a good reasoning.

1. I don't know, the paper is known enough and doesn't seem to have a bad record, as far as I know.
2. Dunno.
3. If I were you, I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Premier League 'big six' have already lost £8million each after European Super League collapse | Daily Mail Online

The Big Six could also be forced to pay compensation to the six other European founding clubs for breaking a clause in the ESL’s 23-year contract which stated they could not leave for the first three years. But given the competition’s swift spectacular implosion, it is unclear whether the clause will be enforced.

Lawyers say the contracts will have been structured to encourage clubs to stick with the controversial project in the face of expected protest by imposing large penalties.

The Premier League teams about to pay the debt of Barça and Madrid.

 

[DonJorginho]

The Premier League teams about to pay the debt of Barça and Madrid.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

 

[DonJorginho]

Glazers may be some things but one thing they aren't are pussies, they will fight that dementia ridden midget Perez and his puppet Laporta till the end.

I take it you support United?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Glazers may be some things but one thing they aren't are pussies, they will fight that dementia ridden midget Perez and his puppet Laporta till the end.

I take it you support United?

100% United!

Well, those mofos have worked around and actually bought Man United for free through a loophole. You can't beat them in a money game, lol. Also Ed Woodward was the one bringing that 3.5B euros from his previous bank that he worked in through his connections + Glazer. They simply can't do shit.

Honestly would enjoy what will happen to both of them now, lol. Still can't erase those 4+ penalties not given to Chelsea vs Barca in 2009 because Platini didn't want "another" English final, publicly saying it.

 

[Banjo64]

Yeah, I'm sure UEFA and FIFA looked HARD into the books of PSG when they spent 220 millions on Neymar and 180 millions on Mbappe. Completely normal for a team like PSG to have that kind of money. Farmers league sure it's beneficial for them and them only, nothing to do with the money of the owner guise!

By the way mate, did you miss the recent declarations of the UEFA about Financial Fair Play? They are basically telling they are going to soften up things and look the other way (even harder now).

You don’t half chat a load of shit. FIFA aren’t arsed about owner investment and don’t have any interest on involvement in FFP. Why would they be monitoring PSG’s spending?

They’ve qualified for the Champion’s League for what? 10 years straight now? Same as City. They have a lot of legitimate revenue. Enough to buy Neymar and Mbappe in one window? No. That’s why they loaned Mbappe with an obligation to buy and haven’t made any significant signings since these 2.

Have you heard of amortization? Transfer fees aren’t recorded on the books as one lump sum, they are broken down over the length of the contract. So if Neymar cost £200m and signed a 5 year contract, it shows up as £40m a year on the books for those 5 years.

Here’s a handy video;

 

[Banjo64]

According to a spanish paper, there's a fine of 300 millions for leaving the Super League.

This is going to be fun.

Absolute nonsense. Do you really think the 6 clubs would have left after 2 days if there was a €300m binding fine? We’re talking serious clubs here like City who bent UEFA over at CAS, and you think they didn’t do their due diligence on the contract?

Arsenal hosted a fan forum yesterday and said the fine isn’t even as high as the £8m being reported.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Absolute nonsense. Do you really think the 6 clubs would have left after 2 days if there was a €300m binding fine? We’re talking serious clubs here like City who bent UEFA over at CAS, and you think they didn’t do their due diligence on the contract?

Arsenal hosted a fan forum yesterday and said the fine isn’t even as high as the £8m being reported.

They are desperate as fuck now. English clubs already have a good stream of income with the EPL.

 

[nani17]

 

[Jon Neu]

You don’t half chat a load of shit. FIFA aren’t arsed about owner investment and don’t have any interest on involvement in FFP. Why would they be monitoring PSG’s spending?

Yes, UEFA is the one who monitors clubs, and FIFA is the one who monitors this:

Justice: Nasser al-Khelaïfi donates nearly € 1 million to FIFA, according to "The Times" - Foot - Justice - World Today News (world-today-news.com)

After it was learned on Thursday that FIFA had informed the Swiss public prosecutor’s office of having found a “Amicable agreement” with Nasser al-Khelaïfi, a time suspected of “Active and passive corruption” in connection with the allocation of media rights to the 2026 and 2030 World Cups, the British daily The Times revealed on Friday that the Qatari businessman, president of beIN Group and PSG, had in fact agreed to pay more than a million Swiss francs (about 950,000 euros) to convince the International Federation to withdraw his complaint criminal, which she did in January.

I hope I don't have to connect the dots for you.

They’ve qualified for the Champion’s League for what? 10 years straight now? Same as City. They have a lot of legitimate revenue. Enough to buy Neymar and Mbappe in one window? No. That’s why they loaned Mbappe with an obligation to buy and haven’t made any significant signings since these 2.

Have you heard of amortization? Transfer fees aren’t recorded on the books as one lump sum, they are broken down over the length of the contract. So if Neymar cost £200m and signed a 5 year contract, it shows up as £40m a year on the books for those 5 years.

The Ligue 1 it's basically like your deviation here: a joke.

There's no team in the Ligue 1 that could do the spending PSG has done without heavy financial doping, there's literally no other way around. Anybody with half a brain understands this, anybody with an ounce of memory remembers the kind of team PSG was and the spending PSG could do before Al Khelaifi arrived and how magically they transformed into the team that has broke the market with the two -by far- most expensive transfers ever.

By the way finance genius, you know amortization includes salary, do you?

Just Neymar & Mbappe cost 170 millions a year to PSG.

Now do the math with the rest of the squad. I'll give you a hint; random players like Paredes or Kherer have cost 40 millions each.

Absolute nonsense. Do you really think the 6 clubs would have left after 2 days if there was a €300m binding fine? We’re talking serious clubs here like City who bent UEFA over at CAS, and you think they didn’t do their due diligence on the contract?

Arsenal hosted a fan forum yesterday and said the fine isn’t even as high as the £8m being reported.

You're talking about the same clubs that signed the contract and then the next day chicken out and wanted out? Serious clubs indeed.

We don't know yet what the contract estipulates, but if I were you I wouldn't bet my belongings that the english teams weren't stupid enough.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Professional sport leagues has this in the middle of the season it’s called an all star game don’t ruin your league you better have a backup plan when this fails teams will be invincible and then what? You gon see an underdog.

 

[Dark Rider]

I did not get to read the thread yet (I'm really tired) but I'll quote myself from the football OT and get to read this thread as soon as I can.

The announcement of the super league was hectic, I did not get to sleep much since (4-5 hours a day) trying to organize and connecting with the other fans to oppose it. Perez have to take the matter to the club members vote before it goes into effect but his plan was to get it set into stone first and right before it start then get to us regarding our vote to get our club into it so I and others were trying to organize to force a vote NOW while the iron is hot and the footballing world raging against it. I'm glad it got stopped but this is not over so here are my thoughts on the whole matter.

I think the clubs involved motivation can be divided into categories:

The first group is the clubs that are fan owned Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atlético Madrid (well Atlético Madrid is not fan owned anymore but that's a different long story and they still share the same views) and they are afraid of falling behind financially against clubs with owners that have deep pockets or flat out owned by states (directly or indirectly) and believe that in the long term they will be over spent and pushed out of the elite class of clubs. Their biggest problem is that they feel that no matter how much they can succeed commercially the the state clubs will brute force going ahead of them by throwing even more money and as bonus some of them are in leagues that have much bigger pay outs anyways. In the end they feel they are in a losing battle financially (and they can't do anything about it) and they are desperate for a way to keep level. Both Real Madrid and Barcelona presidents have to get their fans approval via vote to participate but their plan was to delay the vote until the super league is set in stone so they don't get blocked by the fans vote.
For this group the solution they wanted is to have equal spending caps based on an equal pay out for all the clubs in the super league so these two things are part of the super league.

The second group is the clubs that have billionaire owners that are not willing to inject enough money into their clubs to compete with the top spenders (Juventus, AC Milan and Inter Milan) and they have the same fears and feelings as the first group and want the same solution.

The third group is the clubs that have Billionaire owners that are not willing to inject enough money into their clubs to compete with the top spenders but also want guarantees that they get the money from the highest competition in Europe (Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur) they want to make big amounts of money for themselves out of their clubs and are sick of missing out on the CL and its marketing and money and they have a fear of relegation as their fans start hammering them about being relegated whenever their club drop to mid-table. The owners of these clubs are Americans who are used to sports organization with no relegation and that no matter how bad you manage your club and how little you invest into it you are guarantee top money and a shot at the top so basically no consequence for your performance not now not ever.
For this group the solution they wanted is to have guarantee spot at the top in the super league with no relegation ever and to be payed the same as everyone no matter how bad they play so these two things are part of the super league.

The fourth group is the clubs with billionaire owners or state owned who are actually more than happy to inject as much money into their clubs as they are allowed to (and go as far as using loopholes to add more too) and their main goal is marketing themselves (Manchester City and Chelsea). This group is actually secure in their ability to keep themselves in the top flight and to have a spot at the CL with no fear of relegation because they will spend the money to keep themselves competing for the titles. The owners of these group chose clubs that are not considered at the elite level historically in Europe and injected money into them to collect trophies and ascend the glory ladder, they want themselves to reach the elite clubs in terms of silverware and market share. This means these two clubs do not need any change as they are progressing the way they wanted BUT to achieve their goals they must be part of the elite top competitions so if this super league take off they need to be in it to market themselves best otherwise they will be in a lower tier league with lower marketing/exposure power.

Now on to the German clubs Bayern München and Borussia Dortmund, being part of the German league they adhere to the Bundesliga 50%+1 rule so they are fan owned and have to get their fans approval to join and to avoid their fans ire they did decline the invitation to join because if they accepted the fans will vote against it anyway but also will kick the clubs boards out too. If the super league went through I have no doubt they will join.

Now to the final original piece of the super league, PSG have the same views as group four but the owners also are organizing the World Cup in 2022 and that is a huge problem because starting the super league will put all clubs and owners involved in direct war with UEFA and FIFA so they will be risking losing the World Cup or at least ruining it with a piece of the footballing world being torn out so for them keeping everything as is is ideal but after the World Cup (or if they were not hosting it) I have no doubt they would have joined.

The super league did accommodate all the participants demands but they need to be able to pull it off so the lawyers get involved here and they did their homework. Their first goal is to get it off the ground so first they need to ward off any punishment FIFA or UEFA will dish out and the biggest weakness here is the anti-competitive legislation in Europe. The set up with the 12~15 clubs closed league can and will be dragged into court to kill it so their solution was the added 5 rotational clubs that they get to pick and choose for each season. It was not out of the good of their hearts but these rotational 5 clubs are nothing but an excuse to fight off any anti-competitive law suits. Now to fight off any sanctions/punishments from UEFA and FIFA they will use anti-competitive laws to fight/sue them, the idea is to acquire an injection to any punishment from UEFA/FIFA so their super league start and spend years in courts in the anti-competitive court case against UEFA/FIFA and by the end it doesn't matter if they win or lose the super league has been set in stone and taken off and they successfully hijacked the top competition spot in Europe in terms of broadcasting/market share/exposure..etc so either UEFA/FIFA accept it or they risk the new organization becoming the new de facto organizers of the world competitions like the euro or even the world cup.

They did anticipate the backlash they were ready to chock UEFA/FIFA in courts and although maybe they did not anticipate the level of how mental the backlash was (I'm sure they did not anticipate that the involved clubs fans will demand their own clubs to be fined/relegated/point deducted and punished, it was a full revolt) I think they would have held the line. The biggest problem for them is when the backlash prompted politicians to get involved, they can ward off the European politicians by using the courts too but their biggest problem is that the UK is no longer part of the European Union and so the UK has parliamentary sovereignty so they cannot hide behind the courts, if the UK parliament passed a law the courts can't save them in the UK. The super league has 6 members from the UK and the UK MPs including the PM himself vowed action including threat legislation to force the 6 clubs owners to sell their clubs back to the fans and this is the real reason why the UK clubs buckled and crumbled one after the other announcing that they started the procedure of pulling out because they know the UK parliament can actually do that, any other reason sited by these clubs about listening to the fans or anything else is a flat out lie it was only because of the fear that the UK parliament force sell their clubs back to the fans nothing else. The UK government of course want to protect its domestic league marketing income (and thus taxes in the government coffers) but also it is an easy vote winner for them but in reality I doubt they would have gone through with their threat because Manchester City owners pay the UK government for military equipment more than they get from the domestic league but I could be wrong on this point.

I think Perez saying the contracts are binding and there is a penalty for pulling out (I think in the tune of hundreds of millions) is true and that no one officially pulled out is true also. I think the clubs who announced they pulled out in reality just requested to delay it and Perez said it will come back, their plan is to wait out the storm first and second to look at the cause of failure this time and use their money to grease the UK MPs palms for the next round so the fight is not over.

I think it is important that we all keep the pressure up on the governments and there must be two fundamental demands. First a full disclosure of the contract they signed so we know all the terms and the penalties and to make sure the contracts are actually broken/canceled (they need to provide hard proof they pulled out none of us should believe those liars). Second to classify football as national heritage all across Europe and the UK and on that bases force fan full ownership of the clubs (or at least controlling/majority stock owned by the fans. Football is deeply integrated and evolved from the local communities culture after all. Anything less and they will pull this off next time after they get prepared for any counters we have. WE NEED TO FIGHT THIS, IT'S NOT OVER YET.

 

[Nitty_Grimes]

The remaining 14 chairmen (chair persons, sorry) want the directors of the dirty half-dozen to stand down because they can no longer trust them. Which is a fair point.

European Super League executives should lose their jobs, say the 14 other Premier League clubs

A number of Premier League club chief executives have told Sky Sports News they can no longer trust or deal with their counterparts at Manchester United, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham after they tried to form a European Super League

www.skysports.com

 

[DKehoe]

The remaining 14 chairmen (chair persons, sorry) want the directors of the dirty half-dozen to stand down because they can no longer trust them. Which is a fair point.

European Super League executives should lose their jobs, say the 14 other Premier League clubs

A number of Premier League club chief executives have told Sky Sports News they can no longer trust or deal with their counterparts at Manchester United, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham after they tried to form a European Super League

www.skysports.com

It’s something. But ultimately this was driven by the owners. Swapping out the executives won’t really punish the people behind it.

 

[Squirrel Killer]

it is an evil system for an european mindset.
a sport is not a sport if losing doesn't matter, a sport is not a sport if you have a ceiling that you can't go over no matter what you deserve on the pitch.

also those team self proclamating themselves kings of europe just because of money was the cherry on top of this horrible idea

Bullshit. Bollocks. Whatever. This is exactly what I mean when I say that pro/rel is a religion.

Owners might be evil, sure. Moving from an open league to a closed one (or vice versa) might be a horrible idea, absolutely. But a closed league is not "evil," European mindset or not. It's just a way of organizing a league with advantages and disadvantages just like open leagues have advantages and disadvantage. It's neutral. Like eating a sandwich.

 

[Majukun]

Bullshit. Bollocks. Whatever. This is exactly what I mean when I say that pro/rel is a religion.

Owners might be evil, sure. Moving from an open league to a closed one (or vice versa) might be a horrible idea, absolutely. But a closed league is not "evil," European mindset or not. It's just a way of organizing a league with advantages and disadvantages just like open leagues have advantages and disadvantage. It's neutral. Like eating a sandwich.

i keep hearing abot these supposed advantages the system bring, but no one has been able so far to tell me what these advantages actually are...talking about teams outside of those 12/15 that would crown themselves kings of football from now till the end of time.

a system that makes 15 teams thrive an destroys football for the rest of europe it's plenty bad.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

i keep hearing abot these supposed advantages the system bring, but no one has been able so far to tell me what these advantages actually are...talking about teams outside of those 12/15 that would crown themselves kings of football from now till the end of time.

a system that makes 15 teams thrive an destroys football for the rest of europe it's plenty bad.

Vaguely, the only thing I heard is that a super league would drive so much revenue that the super league will pool together a giant pot of money and give back, where its more than the current amount. I think I heard 400 million pounds to give back.

 

[Majukun]

Vaguely, the only thing I heard is that a super league would drive so much revenue that the super league will pool together a giant pot of money and give back, where its more than the current amount. I think I heard 400 million pounds to give back.

and even considering that true (tricked down economy has pretty much always been bs) what would be the advantage in that?
what do you need money for ?
you need money to buy players, and need players to win matches and with them hope to win titles, cups or access more prestigious competitions
if winning matches doesn't matter anymore because sport merit is gone, what do you do with the additional money exactly?

and pleae don't tell me that those 5 "invite based" slots make any difference..since technically you could arrrive 5th in the entire superleague and still get kicked out because the 15 below are life-long members

I would be all over the SL as an alternative to a bloated champions league if it was entirely sport merit based...but as it is it's just garbage..12 bullies trying to steal the ball pretending it's their just because they are bigger .