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At this point how can anyone underestimate or deny Microsoft/Xbox?
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Hugare
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It kinda does tell the whole story
Wii U failed for many reasons: stupid ass name that confused the public, for starters. Terrible hardware, lazy gimmick and etc.
Switch being portable is a huge attractive, but lets be real: (almost) no one bought a Switch for 3rd party support.
PS: I dont know if you have a Switch, but that thing feels and looks cheap as fuck. Its literally a tablet with 2 cheap plastic joycons attached.
Compare 1st party software sales with 3rd party. Every Nintendo release is a monster in terms of sales. Animal Crossing alone sold more than whole franchises during decades of releases.
If "good hardware" was enough to garantee success, PS2 wouldnt have dominated that generation against Game Cube and Xbox, ffs. Or Wii against PS3/360. Or SNES against Genesis, PS1 against N64 and so on.
Time and time again history proved us that GAMES are what dictated who wins or who loses.
You kinda proved my point by saying that Sony is riding the wave of good marketing received from well received exclusives.
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Freeman76
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Prob the 90% of Gaf who are Sony drones I umagine
jhjfss
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I like how people act like sony is noble and honorable for not spending money buying publishers - until you look at this chart. It becomes really obvious why sony sticks to small studio purchases.false. 3 generation in one of this 3 sony ended the generation by losing money. Anyone who says ps3 won against x360 is a madman or a fanboy it is the money that counts for the companies not the consoles sold in india thanks to a software hack that allowed to play practically for free.
2007/2013 enjoy it, they had to wait half of the ps4 gen to recover the lost money
and meanwhile you wait for those games you will have halo,next forza ..Hellblade2 , starfield ecc ecc the narrative is gonna change if one fo those game deliver
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Rhazer Fusion
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I mean we know the games are coming, but aren’t most of them really far away from release and their actual quality is unknown?
Bankai
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I certainly hope so! Competition is great and I would love to get back to the 360 glorydays.
NikuNashi
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Reads comment, checks profile pic, yeah.
do you mean other than those shown? I will be saving this post for E3 you know june is close....then I'll pass you a handkerchief for the tears
DeltaPolarBear
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They said the same thing last year about Halo. At this point you either deliver or no one cares. Empty promises don't spawn games, it has been a decade in the waiting.
AeonGaidenRaiden
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All I see is them focusing on you being able to play all games from the past consoles in slightly better resolution. I havent seen anything that screams "xbox only". There were plenty of AAA games in development for X1 that got canned or turned into turds instead of massive promises (crackdown 3). Id wait much longer before you make a statement like that because lets be real....they couldnt provide HALO for launch after throwing millions at the dev team. And thats like their number one franchise. Lets see how long it takes Bethesda to come out with games for Xbox only because the first few are confirmed multiplatform.
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
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The rest of the world that is not US can. And it's MS fault.
People should deal with it.
People should deal with it.
GeorgPrime
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Low Moral Fibre
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I've not looked at the sales figures but most people I know were buying FIFA, COD and AC etc. MS could have had that multiplatform user but screwed up before the gen even started with shit hardware and laughable marketing. They threw away all the X360 goodwill so even casuals wouldn't touch an Xbone. It's going to take some effort to turn that around even though the Series X is good so far.
I do though sometimes feel like I'm in the Emperor's new clothes tale where PS and sometimes Xbox exclusives are riding around in the nude while everyone claps and throws shit at EA, CDPR, Rockstar, Ubisoft etc.
I do though sometimes feel like I'm in the Emperor's new clothes tale where PS and sometimes Xbox exclusives are riding around in the nude while everyone claps and throws shit at EA, CDPR, Rockstar, Ubisoft etc.
The Hamburglar
Banned
Yup the loyalists are working overtime
Banjo64
cumsessed
Yeah, no they aren’t. 2 PS5 games are being released, but we’ll see what they do with Wolfenstein III and Starfield which could realistically be released within the next 18 months. I suspect they’ll be Xbox/PC/xCloud only.
Fredrik
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Nobody can feed their whole platform on their own, not even Sony or Nintendo, or MS with 23 1st party studios. One or even two GOTY contenders per year is great but still not enough. But what MS has done is successfully and quite sneakily get multi platform gamers like myself to use Xbox or PC as the everyday main platform.
JerryinSoCal
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MS launched GP without enough first party studios to actually support it, they've run it for almost 4 years now and the service is mostly filler games, when they actually start releasing 1st party games on a semi regular basis then we'll talk. They bought a bunch of small AA style studios who mostly only worked on xbox anyway, Playground which is a AAA quality studio that again only worked on xbox already anyway and now Bethesda who has some very hit and miss studios along with some tired IP to go along with starfield and ES6. I can see why people would doubt them and even after they finally start releasing games the prices are going to go up, they have to. MS has been in this for three gens and haven't learned their lesson yet, hopefully they do but I'm not really sold on a subscription model working out, especially when the majority of titles they are going to be releasing will be AA quality.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
No games at all. Went down to my local gamestop to see the Xbox games store shelves.
The system has no games. Not a single one.
LMJ
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I can truly appreciate MS dedication to hardware and listening to their fans as far as software IO/OS etc is concerned. The XseX is a sexy piece of kit and I'll get one when I have the spare funds.
I can REALLY appreciate the legacy support that MS has dedicated themselves too (HINT HINT HINT Sony) From the BC support to the hardwired improvements MS has created my go to Box when it comes to past non exclusive 3rd party due to this!
That being said I STILL say the SeriesX/S should have been delayed, MS lost their cash cow in Halo and outside of The Medium they haven't really had anything that shows the power of this Juggernaut, over on Sony's side they just got Returnal and soon Ratchet and Clank, the point being while the machine itself is phenominal, if you don't have the games to show it off, then it's simply a great BC machine. yes I know about the patched titles and yes I am aware MS has secured some third party victories in Res/FPS
*Another One*
However I'm talking about REAL impressive titles that you stare at and go "yeah that wasn't possible last gen" I have no doubt that the new studios will bring them some seriously awesome games, but for now it seems like a waiting game, so while yes an enthusiast like me loves it for all the reasons above, I DO still think there is a reason to underestimate them/deny their greatness...
Prove me wrong MS
*Sega purchase in 4 days*
I can REALLY appreciate the legacy support that MS has dedicated themselves too (HINT HINT HINT Sony) From the BC support to the hardwired improvements MS has created my go to Box when it comes to past non exclusive 3rd party due to this!
That being said I STILL say the SeriesX/S should have been delayed, MS lost their cash cow in Halo and outside of The Medium they haven't really had anything that shows the power of this Juggernaut, over on Sony's side they just got Returnal and soon Ratchet and Clank, the point being while the machine itself is phenominal, if you don't have the games to show it off, then it's simply a great BC machine. yes I know about the patched titles and yes I am aware MS has secured some third party victories in Res/FPS
*Another One*However I'm talking about REAL impressive titles that you stare at and go "yeah that wasn't possible last gen" I have no doubt that the new studios will bring them some seriously awesome games, but for now it seems like a waiting game, so while yes an enthusiast like me loves it for all the reasons above, I DO still think there is a reason to underestimate them/deny their greatness...
Prove me wrong MS
*Sega purchase in 4 days*
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Like I said, its great for hardcore players, but a lot of casuals have just their game, be it Fortnight, or CoD, or whatever. Its all they want to play because its where their friends are.
I think it explains why GP actually works so well financially - simply put, as an offering it appeals most to those who'd be spending more than average anyway.
The problem is that Xbox's offerings are too core-gamer centric, they have over-corrected from the Mattrick-era.
Backwards compatibility as a top-line feature is a classic example of this. Its not much of a draw when casuals are already used to buying a new iteration of their favourite franchises every year!
Yes. new AAA GOTY-caliber titles that you can only get on Xbox will be a great help, but I think there are deeper issues in play here.
PropellerEar
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Spider-Man MM and soon Ratchet and Clank a highly efficient Studio. 230M
Or overpaying for Bethesda. 7B
Banjo64
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I mean it’s been said to death on here but InSomniac owned none of their IP. Whereas Microsoft not only bought the 6 development studios under Zenimax but also huge established IP like Doom, Quake, Rage, Wolfenstein, Prey, Dishonoured, The Evil Within, TeS online, Fallout and The Elder Scrolls. They also now own the id tech engine also.Spider-Man MM and soon Ratchet and Clank a highly efficient Studio. 230M
Or overpaying for Bethesda. 7B
Riky
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Halo Infinite and Flight Simulator are both out this year and in scale and scope they destroy the competition, that's just the start.
I can only imagine what a huge roster of first party games will be available on Xbox by the end of this gen, it will be impossible to ignore Gamepass.
I can only imagine what a huge roster of first party games will be available on Xbox by the end of this gen, it will be impossible to ignore Gamepass.
PropellerEar
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When are the games for those IPs coming out?
Burythelight
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Simulator are for enthusiast. No one care about
Banjo64
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PropellerEar
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Its clear you didn't read my original post.
Let's iterate Insomniac: MM + R&C for 1st year of PS5. ( Also made the only interesting new IP Xbox had whole XBone gen) 230M
Bethesda: prob 2 PS5 timed exclusives coming out before anything Xbox?
7B for mismanaged publisher
PharaoTutAnchAmun
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Yeah, whe in Europe know about Xbox...but whe dont buy them like whe buy Playstation. XBox will not beat Playstation, they never ever have, and that will stay that way for the forseable future. Xbox will not beat Playstation in Europe.....
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MistBreeze
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talk to me when we see a worthwhile game from microsoft
GamePass alone will not make a console sell
people buy nintindo for mario, donkey kong , smash, pokemon .... etc
Sony for gow , uncharted and last of us , spider man, horizon .... etc ( top AAA adventure games )
microsoft for what??? no killer app yet
and no services do not count
GamePass alone will not make a console sell
people buy nintindo for mario, donkey kong , smash, pokemon .... etc
Sony for gow , uncharted and last of us , spider man, horizon .... etc ( top AAA adventure games )
microsoft for what??? no killer app yet
and no services do not count
MistBreeze
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Its clear you didn't read my original post.
Let's iterate Insomniac: MM + R&C for 1st year of PS5. ( Also made the only interesting new IP Xbox had whole XBone gen) 230M
Bethesda: prob 2 PS5 timed exclusives coming out before anything Xbox?
7B for mismanaged publisher
nintindo can buy more studios if they wish too
sony also
but
u can only manage to a certain capacity then it become a nightmare ,,, these studios take money for staff and management,, millions for projects...
23 studios to manage is hard
microsoft could not manage less than 10 studios these past years how can they manage 23 studios
u saw sony closed so many studios this past decade ... zipper ... evolution ... for example cause they only can manage so much
how many studios does nintindo have?
I bet they are the least of big 3 yet they always have the best first party output ... it all about mangment and efficiency not quantiy
Bethesda may help Microsoft but they are not what they used to be
why they sold themselves to microsoft ?
a successful publisher will never sell its studios
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Banjo64
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You fucking crankIts clear you didn't read my original post.
Let's iterate Insomniac: MM + R&C for 1st year of PS5. ( Also made the only interesting new IP Xbox had whole XBone gen) 230M
Bethesda: prob 2 PS5 timed exclusives coming out before anything Xbox?
7B for mismanaged publisher
InSomniac would have made a new Ratchet game and the Spider-Man DLC regardless of Sony purchasing them.That’s just like, your opinion man. Sunset is a great game, but Ori reigns supreme.
Mismanaged my arse
they just accepted Sony’s money hatting on 2 games and are happy to honour those contracts. Zenimax recent output;Doom 2016 87 Metacritic
Doom Eternal 88 Metacritic
Wolfenstein 2 88 Metacritic
Fallout 4 88 Metacritic
Prey 84 Metacritic
Dishonoured 2 88 Metacritic
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sircaw
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Games, games, games.
Sony has already been delivering this start of the generation, Microsoft as much as they have been spending still has not produced anything compelling for me.
It's great they have invested in buying those studios, I am a big fan of the fallout series, doom, dishonored, a possible quake? but how long till we get to see them, what will the quality of the games look like.
I joined the console generation very late as a gamer, only last generation, but oh boy did the ps4 deliver.
Returnal looks great, R+C to come, horizon zero dawn is meant to be this year? a new god of war probably next year.
Why would I want to change that, at present, all that Microsoft has showed is buzz and pr.
Gamepass is not for me, in fact, the way I game its much much cheaper for me to buy a year's sub with Ps plus than spend it on the game pass, and the quality is there, have you seen what games sony has been giving you month after month.
Maybe in 2-3 years, Microsoft will be a bit more compelling, perhaps I will have a look at what they offer, but they really have a long way to go to make me move from a world-class ecosystem like sony's.
Sony has already been delivering this start of the generation, Microsoft as much as they have been spending still has not produced anything compelling for me.
It's great they have invested in buying those studios, I am a big fan of the fallout series, doom, dishonored, a possible quake? but how long till we get to see them, what will the quality of the games look like.
I joined the console generation very late as a gamer, only last generation, but oh boy did the ps4 deliver.
Returnal looks great, R+C to come, horizon zero dawn is meant to be this year? a new god of war probably next year.
Why would I want to change that, at present, all that Microsoft has showed is buzz and pr.
Gamepass is not for me, in fact, the way I game its much much cheaper for me to buy a year's sub with Ps plus than spend it on the game pass, and the quality is there, have you seen what games sony has been giving you month after month.
Maybe in 2-3 years, Microsoft will be a bit more compelling, perhaps I will have a look at what they offer, but they really have a long way to go to make me move from a world-class ecosystem like sony's.
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Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Elder scrolls Fallout and doom, enough said...Spider-Man MM and soon Ratchet and Clank a highly efficient Studio. 230M
Or overpaying for Bethesda. 7B
Some IP are on a different level really.
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Outrunner
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Save it, print it, kiss it, sleep with it at night. Will probably be better entertainment than any MS exclusive ever coming out.
Malcolm9
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They had stronger hardware with the One X but it made no difference. They've had Gamepass for years and it still didn't change a thing.
As for games, yes they still need to release better quality and consistency to be anywhere near Sony & Nintendo. Having all these studios means nothing if the games aren't that good/average.
As for games, yes they still need to release better quality and consistency to be anywhere near Sony & Nintendo. Having all these studios means nothing if the games aren't that good/average.
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Outrunner
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Yeah, you are right. Miles Morales and Ratchet are better.
i dont understand what should change? they having consoles constantly sold out and a user exploding service.....surely they will not convince hardcore loyal fanboys to leave sony but mass market is a different beast
ahah gosh...come back on earth man there's no game in playstation slate that can rival elder scroll not even tlouthat is the best ip sony have right now
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
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TheGodfather07
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Do you know how much elder scrolls 5 sold on ps3 or fallout 4 on ps4?