gamechanger87
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This was published because Epic is in court with Apple and just publicly stated it.
I mean it’s public information now. Tom didn’t dig this up it was literally stated by Tim Sweeney
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Sony cross-play documents with Epic/Dev's
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I mean it’s public information now. Tom didn’t dig this up it was literally stated by Tim Sweeney
ManaByte
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Fortnite is (arguably) the most-played game in the world. It's playable on five platforms: PC, mobile, Switch, Xbox, and PlayStation. According to Tim Sweeney today, UNDER OATH, in court testimony; only one of those platform holders requires Epic to pay them in order to allow crossplay.
DonJuanSchlong
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So as a consumer (the consumer is always right), would you prefer to have a corporation to look out for your interest as a consumer, or would you rather a corporation only look out for themselves? At the end of the day Sony's not going to sink ship by enabling cross platform games. And they will not become the richest corporation in the world by keeping everything locked in to only PlayStation users.
Personally I'm a PC guy, so I don't really have to deal with any of this nonsense, but from looking at this situation from the outside in, I would want crossplay. As matter a fact there are plenty of games I can play with my Xbox buddies, but very few with my PlayStation friends. I don't care about Sony looking out for their own interests. As a consumer, I only care that I get to play games with ALL of my friends.
93xfan
Banned
Pretty gross
Bo_Hazem
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Hustler
Member
How are the two mutually exclusive? You can satisfy both at the same time, genius.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
100% against garbage crossplay for security proposes. Who gives a fuck about other platforms? And offenders from that other platform, how they deal with them? Too much hassle.
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Thirty7ven
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Free market unless it’s related to the company I hate. People are pathetic.
driqe
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THEAP99
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Why am I supposed to have sympathy for Epic games having to pay Sony
DeepEnigma
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> Asking publishers (that we complain about being greedy out of one side of our face) for compensation is anti-consumer (which I can bet all walled garden's do in one form or another, like you guessed it, Apple which these same people are cheering on over Epic)
> Buying a whole publisher and IPs that have been 3rd party for over 30 years, just business
> Buying a whole publisher and IPs that have been 3rd party for over 30 years, just business
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JLB
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big shitty wall of text and not a single reason why a playstation user gets fucked because of crossplay. Simply because it makes no damn sense. Its so ridiculous that even Jim Ryan came up with the idea of not allowing crossplay was to protect the children.
See, i fully understand why it makes sense from a biz standpoint, but playstation users gain nothing from not getting the option to choose.
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Zeroing
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Oh look that guy again 
Either he is a whistle blower or he wants MS to be the good guys… I wonder if he would “leak” the documents if it was MS… yeah I think not.
when you dig bad stuff so that one company will look evil in comparison to the other … you’ll find it!!!
all companies do shitty things… and that guy is not imparcial…so we can figure out the result of his tweets…
Either he is a whistle blower or he wants MS to be the good guys… I wonder if he would “leak” the documents if it was MS… yeah I think not.
when you dig bad stuff so that one company will look evil in comparison to the other … you’ll find it!!!
all companies do shitty things… and that guy is not imparcial…so we can figure out the result of his tweets…
ethomaz
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That is how it should be... I hope Sony is not losing money in this deal.
sainraja
Member
What leverage do the other platform holders have to require payment?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
And?
yurinka
Member
It's obvious, Sony is the only market leader with a distant market share with the other ones. So the only one that can be negatively affected with crossplay.
It would be dumb on Nintendo or Microsoft side to do something like that.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Corporate walled gardens 101. Sony business tactics are right from a textbook MBA education (it's not just Sony). It's a shit practice but a profitable one. Apple do the exact same thing, right down to accessing your file system even. Sony and Apple deserve to partner together, cunts.
GhostOfTsu
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This is a deal between Epic and Sony and Fortnite is crossplay anyway so why the outrage? Did it affect any other game?
I'm just scratching my head why this is blowing up and people are bringing up "poor indie devs". For sympathy?
I'm just scratching my head why this is blowing up and people are bringing up "poor indie devs". For sympathy?
All_Might
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Sony is a corporation and more then anything else they are trying to make profits. The document is 100% right, what kind of gain would Sony get business wise from this deal ? They share their user base and potentially lose money by doing so, meaning it’s hard to justify such a move to your shareholders. Trying to make a profit by sharing user base ensures that shareholders are fine with this move and the platform still looks like the good guy. The reason Microsoft didn’t act like this, is because they have more to gain then loose by doing so. Things like regaining market share since you can now play with your friends regardless of platform, bigger player base and so on. Even as someone who likes Sony and is a PlayStation gamer, this move isn’t really something you can call good, but then again I understand why they did it.
MostScrumptionsYams
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I hope the people with an issue speak with their wallets.
DeepEnigma
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sainraja
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Perhaps and good point regarding other developers. Perhaps they should revaluate that if it does indeed apply to them.
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Iced Arcade
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Defending this is hilarious and just shows you dream of a corporation tattoo Lol
Same with anyone who defended Xbox having ftp games behind xbl paywall.
Same with anyone who defended Xbox having ftp games behind xbl paywall.
VAVA Mk2
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That picture makes him look so evil.
Out of stock
Zeroing
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And the problem will not be fixed until people start blaming all companies… even that Twitter guy is biased…we never look to the real issue here… unregulated market on technology. Meaning one company gets away with one thing, others follow to stay in competition..
bentanchorbolt
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Gamers are by far the biggest cucks there are, and Sony, MS, Epic, Apple, and everyone else knows it. Why do you think Madden never truly gets better? Or why games like Cyberpunk and others will ship in a broken state, yet still smash sales records in some cases, or sell well in others?
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Just looks like good business to me. Seriously you think MS or Apple or Google plays nice when dealing from a position of strength? Fuck no!
Epic got what they wanted but Sony made sure they got compensated for it. Its how deals get done when there are asymmetric degrees of benefit.
Not much but lets remember Microsoft was putting "Free to Play" games behind a paywall until just recently so they were getting something out of it anyway.
SteelCurtain 59
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Because it is? Everybody (including Playstation owners) get a worse experience because of not having cross play, in what world is it not anti-consumer?
Also it's hilarious everybody bringing up the Bethesda purchase because;
1. This article has nothing to do about Xbox or Bethesda
2. They're very clearly different to anybody who doesn't have an anti-Xbox mentality, acquisitions help the devs make better games (for whoever does it), Insomniac's games will be better because of the financial security of being owned by Sony, as will Bethesda games with Microsoft, and far less likely a studio is closed if it's acquired than if it's left on it's own. Acquisitions aren't anti-consumer because they're providing a better experience for their consumers, being against crossplay is a negative to Sony consumers too, that's a very key difference in this. But I guess people want to desperately spin everything so their favorite company looks good (and to be clear, Xbox/PC/Nintendo have the same proportion of those types of fans and it's just as annoying when they do it)
DeepEnigma
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Yselacrey00
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Explain me how they satified the players by blocking them from playing with friends using other platforms. My god you're slow.
Bryank75
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It's absolutely the right call to stop or limit any crossplay unless there are huge incentives to do otherwise.
The crossplay in MW has allowed cheaters to get into almost every game and ruin the experience..... console should be the most fair multiplayer experience around.
They also shouldn't allow competing platforms use PlayStation as a crutch to prop up matchmaking that would otherwise be almost abandoned.
The crossplay in MW has allowed cheaters to get into almost every game and ruin the experience..... console should be the most fair multiplayer experience around.
They also shouldn't allow competing platforms use PlayStation as a crutch to prop up matchmaking that would otherwise be almost abandoned.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
But they're not though. Fortnite is criss cross applesauce play.
Hustler
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You can have a discussion without trying to belittle people, numb nuts. You act as though crossplay was the gold standard every single player was clamoring for. You honestly don’t think most players preferred having exclusive titles, improved online infrastructure, or I don’t know anything else? Sure it’s a nice to have, but it’s not a big F YOU to all players as you claim. Xbox implemented it much quicker than Sony last Gen because they were losing, badly. It was an attempt to bring players back, just like Gamepass, because Microsoft has deep pockets and can eat large chunks of money as a company.
But please, tell me how much better your argument is because you think Sony doesn’t give zero Fs about their customer base.
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SteelCurtain 59
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Where's the irony? Honestly where is it? Blocking cross play hurts Sony's consumers, acquiring Bethesda helps Xbox's consumers. If you're too blind to see that I can't help you. Both are corporations that only care about money and Xbox has made plenty of dumb decisions that I've disagreed with, so I'm not acting like Sony is evil and Microsoft is a saint or anything, or even that Xbox's pro-consumer moves aren't driven exclusively by profits gained by having a pro-consumer mindshare, they absolutely are. But to equate both these moves as anti-consumer (or even that acquisitions are even more anti-consumer) is incredibly biased. You should be calling out Sony for their bad practices because IT WOULD BENEFIT YOU. Trying to defend them or just deflect to some false equivalency from Microsoft honestly makes no sense to me, because it implies that you care more about your favorite corporation looking good, than whether or not you are having the best possible experience while playing video games
DeepEnigma
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How is it blocked? Sony made a deal with Epic, they gladly agreed and saw monetary gain for each other, and there is cross-play. The deal impacts none of us gamers... at all.
Bethesda was a 3rd party publisher/developer with a suite of some of the most popular IPs of all time for over 30 years, now blocked out of other gamers as a 1st party. That impacts gamers as a whole. Xbox/PC gamers were always getting their games. Nothing changes for them.
Carry on though. This thread is adorable.
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SteelCurtain 59
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I'm with you on PC crossplay allowing some more cheating...
but Xbox and Switch each have more than enough players for pretty much every multiplayer game to have solid playerbases, crossplay was never about "saving the abandoned Xbox/Switch playerbases so they can play too", it's about being able to play with your friends if they have a different console. It's also for situations where ALL platforms have abandoned servers (several year old, obscure games for instance), to allow the small amount of players to find each other. As a primary Xbox user I've never really had any issue finding a game in pretty much any multiplayer game I've played. But I do have friends on PS5 who I'd like to be able to play games like Madden or 2k with, or really any crossplatform multiplayer game
kretos
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SteelCurtain 59
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My initial reply was to somebody arguing that Sony denying cross-play wasn't anti-consumer, and just because they allow it in a few games doesn't mean that stuff like this isn't going on though (though that's conjecture and it's quite possible games like Overwatch or EA sports/2k games not being cross play isn't on Sony, just seems that way based on this evidence in this thread). So if any game doesn't have cross-play because of Sony then that is in fact anti-consumer. Sony requiring payment for cross-play very well could be something that prevents some games from having cross-play
And Xbox/PC gamers do benefit, because without Zenimax being purchased it's not impossible that less commercially successful studios like Arkane or Tango may have been closed or restructured, and now with more financial flexibility and resources, they can afford to not have to rush their games, or spend more time on polish. Not to mention increased collaboration between the devs (which goes both for benefitting the Zenimax studios, but also the original Xbox studios), sharing tech, ideas, and other forms of help, all of that serves to make the games closer to the devs vision. And also for Xbox specifically, Game Pass exists, not only does that help consumers that are part of Game Pass, but the mere existence of Game Pass allows for smaller/more creative games like Grounded for example to exist without needing to be a AAA multi-million sale game. So getting more games, and arguably having the games be better than they would, and having the ability to play them on Game Pass forever? I don't know about you but all 3 of those points sound like PC/Xbox gamers are benefitting greatly from this deal. Does it suck for Sony fans? Yes. That doesn't make it anti-consumer though, because the consumers on Xbox/PC/xCloud are benefitting greatly
The Pleasure
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As an attorney, I can afford it.
Thirty7ven
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Trying to figure out exactly what’s the take here. Is your theory that a platform holder can’t set its own rules?
So if a publisher says they want to pay 0% to Sony for publishing a game on their platform, then.. the publisher must get his wish. Is this it? Because you’re drawing a line, but where you’re drawing the line seems to be very arbitrary and down to personal feelings.
That Epic can pull out of the PlayStation business and still make a shit ton of money on other platforms is all you need to know really. It’s their choice. They seem to have agreed on terms though, so business was made.
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ManaByte
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Only one platform is telling the biggest game in the world "Pay us or else we'll block people from playing with their friends on other platforms."
Thirty7ven
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You just stated a fact(kinda, Sony doesn’t get paid for crossplay, it gets paid for MTX on specific cases). And?
There’s gotta be a moment here where this goes from virtue signaling to something that actually has meaning beyond feelings.
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ManaByte
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That's not what Sweeney said in court today:
“In certain circumstances Epic will have to pay additional revenue to Sony,” said Sweeney. “If somebody were primarily playing on PlayStation, but paying on iPhone then this might trigger compensation.”
kretos
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Thirty7ven
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Exactly what I mean by specific scenarios. If a player is spending most of his time on PlayStation but spending his MTX money on another platform, then this becomes a pretty bad deal for PlayStation. It’s how business gets made, “You need something I have, and I want something you have”