Hawking Radiation
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Quite a few in here who don't understand that concept.
and its quite entertaining watching them twist themselves into pretzels trying to push some anti-consumer agenda
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Sony cross-play documents with Epic/Dev's
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and its quite entertaining watching them twist themselves into pretzels trying to push some anti-consumer agenda
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
The problem with this post is that you aren't acknowledging that Sony DID cross-play once they came to terms in an agreement that both parties liked. You are arguing against the wind pal.
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GhostOfTsu
Banned
Crossplay is allowed on Fortnite. Do you even have a kid?
Magic Carpet
Member
Epic pays the money to sony and in return epic makes a boat load of money back.
Epic no pay the money to apple and in return make no money back.
Seems this case is cut and dry.
Epic no pay the money to apple and in return make no money back.
Seems this case is cut and dry.
Spokker
Member
It's gossip, which can be fun, but this really has no value to me as a consumer, and would not result in me making better purchasing decisions. It's not news-worthy in my opinion and the issues represented in the emails are no longer relevant. It just comes down to, "Remember that one time Sony didn't do what we wanted?"
It's settled now, is what I'm saying.
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Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
I understand crossplay is enabled for games like Fortnite or Apex and many others. I game and so do my kids and their friends.
When I learn about shit deals and backhanded marketing "for the players" when in reality it's just corporate greed and walled gardens I'll call that out as a shitty practice. It's one of the many reasons I do not buy Sony/PS and game on PC, Xbox and Ninty instead.
Do you know how long and arduous it was for the Sony crossplay mindset to get with the times? What we see from these documents is the why behind it.
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This is exactly right. We are talking about money changing hands because of a deal made between a couple of mega-rich corporations. Why are we pretending this sort of thing is new?
Right? Getting mad because Epic had to MAYBE give some more money from microtransactions to Sony because of a dip in revenue from said microtransactions due to crossplay being enabled.
Spokker
Member
These are huge companies that can defend themselves and handle their own affairs. "Bullying" doesn't enter the equation here. It's an insult to real victims of bullying.
Imagine thinking Microsoft and Nintendo are any better lol. And this is just from what is public knowledge who knows what behind the scene deals they are making too. Nintendo, the system where the games hardly EVER go on sale and are almost always FULL PRICE, including ports like Super Mario 3D All-Stars or games that were on WII-U. Or Microsoft with their long history of Corporate greed and anti consumerism. Microsoft, the company who started the whole pay for play online, still charging to play "free to play" games up until very recently, and lets not forget the xbox one release and everything around that. OH and also not wanting crossplay when their position in the console space was way more favorable to them with 360 but lets forget that
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93xfan
Banned
> Asking publishers (that we complain about being greedy out of one side of our face) for compensation is anti-consumer (which I can bet all walled garden's do in one form or another, like you guessed it, Apple which these same people are cheering on over Epic)
> Buying a whole publisher and IPs that have been 3rd party for over 30 years, just business
Reports were that MS saved Bethesda from going to Amazon. If so, it’s a good thing MS bought them.
As a person that grew up loving PlayStation for almost a full 4 generations, it baffles me why people are okay with
-no PS1 BC
-shutting down servers early
-Charging for the same DIGITAL PS2 game again because of trophies
-No effort to bring back more PS2 classics
-Missing comparable enhancements for gen 8 games
-Add to that the treatment/mismanagement of Socom, Killzone, Motorstorm, Driveclub, Team ICO, Gravity Rush, etc
-Charging $70 for games like Destruction All-Stars
I still love my PS3, but I’m passing on them for the foreseeable future. I’m sure you found a defense for all of these, but those are real reasons on why I’m not sticking with Sony.
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Topher
Gold Member
So you believe Microsoft and Sony are above "corporate greed and walled gardens"?
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
With respect to this thread cross platform and cross play Ninty are handling things better for the limited slice of what we see from the corporate contracts and dealings. I'll leave the MS talk for another topic, feel free to review my post history on such topics.
Left field there mate. Of course they wish for walled gardens with exclusives etc (standard business operations 101). In terms of cross play specifically I'll call it out as shit for any platform holder halting such a benefit to all platforms, devs, games/franchises and gamers alike. There isn't defending this in corporate interest above good for gaming.
Profit sharing with a platform holder e.g. Epic to Sony, sure go for it. I understand those sorts of deals. A straight up pay Sony because revenue dropped can go fuck itself. Sony holding games like Rocket League or Apex hostage based on Fortnite can also go fuck itself.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
"Reports" are all they were. We don't know if that was true or not. But it sure reads like a good story.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Awww, shit, we list warring now son!
ethomaz
Banned
You get a worst experience with Crossplay.
Topher
Gold Member
There really isn't anything "left field" about it. You are being a bit selective as to when you characterize something as "corporate greed" and when you say it is "standard business operations 101". If Sony were charging you for crossplay then yeah, I'd get being pissed, but they came to an agreement with Epic and you don't pay a thing. And so your kids have crossplay and you are no poorer for it.
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ethomaz
Banned
Sony never blocked your friends to buy a PlayStation and plays with you.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Um, Fortnite is cross-play. They lose nothing right now.
Without this being revealed, nothing has changed other than people arguing over a mutually agreed upon deal between Sony and Epic. So again, what the fuck is the issue other than warring?
ethomaz
Banned
The platform is talking with the developer not you and your friends.
ethomaz
Banned
It is the revenue from the MTX.
If the Sony cut from MTX in their first platform is lower than what they could get with the actual active players in their platform then Epic needs to compensate Sony.
If not Sony should be losing money with Crossplay.
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Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
There really isn't anything "left field" about it. You are being a bit selective as to when you characterize something as "corporate greed" and when you say it is "standard business operations 101". If Sony were charging you for crossplay then yeah, I'd get that, but they came to an agreement with Epic and you don't pay a thing. And so your kids have crossplay and you are no poorer for it.
That's just a short sighted argument. The devs, studios, publishers pay for it. Why should they on one platform but not another? This is why we end up with some games support it and others don't. This is where business agreements become unfair to Indie or lesser devs/studios or just left out of the conversation due to revenue or legal restrictions.
How any gamer or dev doesn't simply want an open system for multi platform titles to have cross play or not is baffling.
The selectiveness comes from understanding a corporate investment or risk associated with a platform develop, launch and support. They deserve to have walled gardens for exclusives and reasons why their systems sell etc. Cross play isn't that. Timed exclusives aren't that. Actual investment in platforms or games is where I "select" a moral compass to enjoy a walled garden. Crap like what Sony is pulling for cross play is utter bullshit.
More power to Sony if they sell PS5s because Spidey or Ratchet kicks arse. Restricting gamers and making devs pay for it is stupid. So yes I'll selectively say that's crap.
See above.
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ethomaz
Banned
It is easy to understand.
Sony has 1 million active playerbase that without Crossplay generates $10 million per month via MTX.
With Cross-play they continue having 1 million player base but the revenue from MTX drops to $5 million per month.
Who will pay these $5 million lose with Cross-play? The part that wants Cross-play... so Sony needs to receive the difference every month that situation happens.
Sony has 1 million active playerbase that without Crossplay generates $10 million per month via MTX.
With Cross-play they continue having 1 million player base but the revenue from MTX drops to $5 million per month.
Who will pay these $5 million lose with Cross-play? The part that wants Cross-play... so Sony needs to receive the difference every month that situation happens.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Never thought I'd see the day, where people are "upset" that the pubs/devs are not getting full revenue on the MTX models, when they agreed to the shared revenue deal (only if it drops) in the first place.
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Yselacrey00
Banned
Lmao.
It's ok, is business. Just don't tell us please that "for the players" bs.
They raised the prices too, so I'm fully expecting for Sony to do some more anticonsumer moves.
ethomaz
's ingenious idea is for everyone to buy every console in order to play the same game together.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
I see this all the time and yet the game was never released anywhere at 70$. They just gave it away on PS plus and then sold it for 20$. Plans changed.
Maybe you could find an example that actually happened in real life instead of repeating the same nonsense people write when they run out of ideas?
Topher
Gold Member
A selective moral compass. lol....ok.
The only indies or "lesser" studios that are affected by this are those who are heavy into microtransactions. Those that are not won't have any "restrictions" at all. Devs who are just straight up selling their game don't have an issue.
Not sure who said they didn't "want an open system for multi platform titles to have cross play". But using the words "open system" at all with consoles is a bit silly. Regardless, if worrying about what happens in deals between mega-corps gets you hot then I hope the revelations from these court proceedings are light on news, for your sake.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Or.............just allow Sony to come up with some business deal where they get compensated for allowing cross play.
Unrivaledx88
Member
FranXico
Member
Haven't you heard? Bringing up the past is only OK if you are using that to attack Evil Sony. Being reminded of any other company having been dicks (no matter how recent that is) is shot down as an argument. "They're changed now, they're the good guys now" LOL
It's about both, in order to get cross play they have to do this rev split and it seems like they are the only one.
Again, I am not talking about this whether its legal or understandable as a SIE stockholder. I still don't get the theoretical double payment to both external retailer 1 and Sony.
Can you show me where it says exclusive streaming rights? I haven't seen that but if so, that's a shit move from Microsoft and it shouldn't be the way that they boost xcloud.
I have only heard them say streaming rights which doesn't mean it has to be exclusive.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
You know, the biggest problem we have with all thing on this planet is when we see some bullshit theres Always some bullshit finger pointing tit for tat “but look what these guys did, that was bad too” instead of addressing any problems.
we are too aligned to products, arguing while the fat cats at the top are sat laughing eating lobster laughing at our insignificant asses
we are too aligned to products, arguing while the fat cats at the top are sat laughing eating lobster laughing at our insignificant asses
captainraincoat
Banned
No real positive way you can spin that….Sony have really lost touch with their audience
Kerotan
Member
MS. They showed their true colours when they were only matching PlayStation. Imagine what they'd be like if they were dominating like ps4, switch or PS5.
Swipeyowifelike
Member
Who's the audience in this situation?
Don't think a large part of the audience don't care yet. If epic decides to remove cross play for Sony only, maybe but might be a net positive for Sony.
Outrunner
Member
So much this
Bonsaibäumchen
Member
Seems to me you don't understand anything that has been discussed here.
Menzies
Banned
Great post. This is how we've become so divided. People largely subscribe to ideologies instead of having a position on individual issues. There's a see no evil, hear no evil that has permeated through society, because their beliefs are so strong when they've aligned themselves to 'the good guys'.You know, the biggest problem we have with all thing on this planet is when we see some bullshit theres Always some bullshit finger pointing tit for tat “but look what these guys did, that was bad too” instead of addressing any problems.
we are too aligned to products, arguing while the fat cats at the top are sat laughing eating lobster laughing at our insignificant asses
93xfan
Banned
As a PlayStation fan, are you happy to see Sony not listening to their fans ?
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93xfan
Banned
My mistake. Didn’t realize it had changed.
Still not happy with a $10 increase for some next gen games. Won’t be happy if MS does it either.
SoraNoKuni
Member
Woah! More marketing deals!
Things that happen behind closed doors in every company! Woah, such bad people they are targeting profits, woah.
More and more "leaks", that's getting even more suspicious each day, it's apparent the FUD wars have begun, hope people can discern and can think critically.
Things that happen behind closed doors in every company! Woah, such bad people they are targeting profits, woah.
More and more "leaks", that's getting even more suspicious each day, it's apparent the FUD wars have begun, hope people can discern and can think critically.
Bonsaibäumchen
Member
No.
Im just an adult and work in a company that does similar deals.
Its called business.
Menzies
Banned
Not sure I'm reading this correctly.
You're suggesting that this isn't a legitimate subpoenaed court document, exposed via the Epic v Apple trial taking place currently, and that it's some made up story?