SoloKingRobert
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You do realise you can pre install any game on Xbox consoles using the Xbox app without owning the game license. Awesome feature
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Mass Effect Legendary Edition made me just realize what a broken mess console gaming has become
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ManaByte
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Directly from a developer at Xbox:Proof me wrong... the op mentions the same issue if I read that right
So the Xbox Series X has one time DRM for disc based games? Even single player? [Answered at Threadmark]
Yeah thats why I'm hoping someone will do a test lol
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Ma-Yuan
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You must be jokingDirectly from a developer at Xbox:
So the Xbox Series X has one time DRM for disc based games? Even single player? [Answered at Threadmark]
Yeah thats why I'm hoping someone will do a test lol
Xbox One games. Need to be online one-time during install to download specific config files (separate from actual game patches).
This is what I am talking about...
Blond
Banned
I’m telling you it’s not true. I installed Mass effect on my series X WITHOUT online and played just fine. The issue is that unlike PS5 the moment you touch the internet and it detects a patch it won’t let you play till you patch it. Microsoft can easily remedy this to make it operate in a similar fashion to that of the PS5/PS4.Proof me wrong... the op mentions the same issue if I read that right
Mistershine.
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How long did it take you to get it to install from disc?
ManaByte
Member
Doesn't matter. They already derailed the thread with BS FUD.
Ma-Yuan
Member
Good for you. Op claimed something different and all found so far claimed it doesn't work.
GrayFoxPL
Member
Yes
UPDATE: Xbox Series X Reportedly Has Online DRM Activation for Physical Xbox One Games, Disc Drive Issues
The Xbox Series X has launched, with users reportedly discovering issues with the disc drive and always online DRM for Xbox One games.nichegamer.com
M1chl
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I was reacting to the installation, so there isn't install DRM. It's unrelated to DRM. I will edit the post, to make it more clear.
I can't read, could be S|X version on the disc then...
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archangelmorph
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Not sure why the OP frame this as a justification to sack off console gaming?
I mean good luck finding a “game disc” for any game released on PC over the past 20 years or so.
There literally is no physical game experience outside of console gaming right now.
I mean good luck finding a “game disc” for any game released on PC over the past 20 years or so.
There literally is no physical game experience outside of console gaming right now.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
They tried it though did they not? Wasn't this part of the outcry for the xbox one?
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Honestly how would you solved it, when it's software based? Download needles data for games you don't own, that would go well. Sony is hardware done stuff, mostly... It's not ideal, but, there are situations where you couldn't really come up with something more clever.
Well one thing would be for the, if MS does not love changing it's SDK every month. Sure.
On the east side? Never live on the east side, greetings from Czech Republic.
*laughs away in 25EUR 1Gbps
Oh it's Duesseldorf, well dorfs are not best known for the good internet.
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lefty1117
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It's unfortunate for those with poor internet connections, but disc is going away. It's becoming less and less tenable for these publishers for multiple reasons (not least of which, extending development cycles right up to launch). I wish you had better internet options ... would drive me crazy tbh
Bonsaibäumchen
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Yeah internet speeds in germany are a fucking disgrace.
I'm living in munich and have been thinking about getting starlink because I can't get a good and stable land line here.
N1tr0sOx1d3
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Honest question, for those who live in rural areas, is Starlink an option yet? Speeds look really good. Unsure of cost though.Physical isn't dead, far from it! Most games I have purchased physically (which is well over 90% of my purchases in the past 7 years) have had the games almost entirely on the disk. Its really only a handful of AAA games that are the exception.
As someone who lives in a very rural area with poor internet, physical will always be preferable to me. Plus I enjoy being able to sell, lend, loan, and trade games. It also looks nice in a collection on the shelf
Ma-Yuan
Member
Yeah internet speeds in germany are a fucking disgrace.
I'm living in munich and have been thinking about getting starlink because I can't get a good and stable land line here.
Or move to the country side
I lived in Kassel and my first apartment had 6mbit tops nothing more... That was until 2017 second apartment had 50mbits of which I generally got 23 or less...Moved away to a small town now I have officially 250mbits of which I get regularly 270... I could get up to 500mbits if I would be willing to pay more.
Bonsaibäumchen
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Yeah lived in Essen before moving to Munich , had Vodafone cable witth 1Gbit. BUT they are using dual stack/dslite for their network which can cause problems with VPN and other services. Either way, we have to pay quite a lot more in germany in comparison to our neighbours with similar speeds.Or move to the country side
Moved away to a small town now I have officially 250mbits of which I get regularly 270... I could get up to 500mbits if I would be willing to pay more.
He's literally like a developer lead for backcompat or something on Xbox
Roni
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Dude, you downloaded 9GB in half an hour. I still remember when downloading 500MB took half a day...
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Investor9872
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FeldMonster
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Remember, we need to treat "PC gamers" with kid gloves. They do struggle after all to download alternative free stores without their heads exploding from the difficulty.
FeldMonster
Member
If you insist on buying/playing games via disk (why I cannot understand) download the game overnight. Or during the work/school day with the app. Or start the install on console before you leave the house. Then pop in the disk when you want to play.
Insisting on installing multiple games worth of software and day one patches via disks printed weeks, if not months, in advance seems like unnecessary punishment on yourself. If you really want the disk for your shelf, buy/install it digitally, and then buy the case used months later and put it on your shelf.
Mr Hyde
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I can only speak for myself but I think this will be the last generation I'm buying physical. I love physical editions, but publishers have become so fucking stingy regarding releases these days.
Some games never get a physical copy, sometimes the expansions are missing from the disc, huge day one patches otherwise the game is unplayable and so on and so on. And now recently, publishers are producing even fewer copies making games harder to purchase, unless you're going day one or pre-order. In short, collecting physical is becoming a nightmare.
I know this future is inevitable, with publishers forcing us to go digital, the writing was on the wall when MS and Sony released all digital consoles, but I didn't think it was gonna be this bad so early in the new gen.
Some games never get a physical copy, sometimes the expansions are missing from the disc, huge day one patches otherwise the game is unplayable and so on and so on. And now recently, publishers are producing even fewer copies making games harder to purchase, unless you're going day one or pre-order. In short, collecting physical is becoming a nightmare.
I know this future is inevitable, with publishers forcing us to go digital, the writing was on the wall when MS and Sony released all digital consoles, but I didn't think it was gonna be this bad so early in the new gen.
bellome
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ReBurn
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I bought digital on my One X. There's no reason for me to buy physical these days. It's so rare that the whole game arrives on disc in a playable state that I'm essentially just making work for myself to have to put the disc in the system. It's clear that they don't care about physical and it's never going back to how it used to be so why even bother.
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sainraja
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The confusion is stemming from how the system handles it when a game has a patch. You can bypass the patch if you go into offline mode, but otherwise you don't need to be online for installation. The only downside is, even when the system does not have an active connection, you have to set it to offline mode in order to bypass it (that is if at one point it detected the game had a patch.)
SlimySnake
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This sounds absolutely ridiculous. I think this is exclusive to Xbox games or rather xbox one games.
For example, both consoles support 100GB 4k blurays so if this game came out on next gen consoles it wouldve been part of a one disc install.
secondly, i have installed several 2 disc games on both last gen consoles and never did it start downloading online data. RDR2, FF7 etc never downloaded any data. patches yes, but thats different.
maybe the smart delivery system is freaking out here and initiating a download when it doesnt need to, but i have never had this issue on my ps5. if anything, the installs take less time than they did last gen and even the psn download speeds are lightning fast.
For example, both consoles support 100GB 4k blurays so if this game came out on next gen consoles it wouldve been part of a one disc install.
secondly, i have installed several 2 disc games on both last gen consoles and never did it start downloading online data. RDR2, FF7 etc never downloaded any data. patches yes, but thats different.
maybe the smart delivery system is freaking out here and initiating a download when it doesnt need to, but i have never had this issue on my ps5. if anything, the installs take less time than they did last gen and even the psn download speeds are lightning fast.
M1chl
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Dat Azure
It's not all that, more powerfull HW allows to download/extract and all that kind of stuff more quickly.
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Shadowstar39
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Sorry for your loss. Sounds annoying and frustrating. Glad I decided to stick with my pc versions and the ps3 trilogy disc that works right away. This version is just lens flare extras and censoring ass shots anyway. Glad I passed it up even more.
Bought Rome total war remastered, Bg dark alliance, smt nocturne and ys9 for switch instead
Fake
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He don't care.
Rhazer Fusion
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It’s frightening and crazy how many people nowadays are embracing or recommending all digital without knowing the many disadvantages of it and as stated, it’s clearly not a good choice for the OP.
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Shadowstar39
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Maybe not accept bullshit excuses and not give in to corporations group think. Man so many here ride that Corp ck.
There is no reason a bluray disc for a current Gen system can't have all the data on it. If it's too much (which I highly doubt), compress that shit or use two disks.
PC is a different animal. I still expect consoles to have a physical version unless it's a small indie game.
Even with high speed internet bandwidth caps are a thing. Comcast (horrible company) just put 2tb caps on the entire east coast USA. Why so they can make more money from cord cutters like me who don't watch their shit TV.
They already charge too much.
Luckily the cap wasn't in place when I built a new rig last fall. I would of hit thr cap from steam alone very quick. Not even getting to my gog, origin, uplay, and epic store games or the ms store that makes you download forza 7 3 times as it messes it up in the last 10gb.
Shadowstar39
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Because game pass, so many here act like they are employees and have to shill to corporations bs. It's insane how quickly people here are OK with spybox and digital only consoles since this Gen started. Honestly pc being digital is fine but consoles need to be pickup and play. Put in a disc and go. Otherwise why buy one, just get a pc.
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Shut0wen
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Im sorry but i dont understand why your having this problem but its got nothing to do with mass effect being on a disk, ive literally just got the game (using xbox one x as well) just did what you did i added the installation disk, nothing happened and i downloaded the play disc, i then click on mass effect 2 and 3 and they are both downloading as i type this, installation disc is just if your internet is shite, id restart your console again because it seems like a problem with microsoft then the discs
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Also one thing which is missing out of this thread is how much in-game installs sucks, let me fucking download the whole game from store. It's same shit with Gears 5, it's nice to have more storage free, but do it on OS level not when the game is already running.
ManaByte
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Ever since the switch to x86...consoles ARE PCs now.
That's been the goal since the PlayStation 2 Computer Entertainment System.
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GuinGuin
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Digital is fine for both. There are 1000 reasons to prefer a console over PC. PCs are buggy, expensive, unreliable, have a terrible interface and are missing the best games of every generation. I could keep going.
GuinGuin
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Why bring up the PS2? The name? What about the NES aka Famicom AKA Family Computer?
ManaByte
Member
Yes, the name. And the Famicom didn't have a HDD or online games (although it did have the re-writable disk drive). Hell you could run Linux on the PS2 and run it as a PC:
Linux for PlayStation 2 - Wikipedia
GuinGuin
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Yes, the name. And the Famicom didn't have a HDD or online games (although it did have the re-writable disk drive). Hell you could run Linux on the PS2 and run it as a PC:
Linux for PlayStation 2 - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Xbox aka Direct X Box was the first PC based console. X86, ran a stripped down version of Windows. Massive.
ManaByte
Member
But you couldn't run it as a PC. Both the PS2 and PS3 could be full Linux boxes working as actual PCs (until Sony removed OtherOS and got sued).
GuinGuin
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Linux isn't restricted to PCs. PS2 used RISC architecture and had dedicated "VPUs" in addition to its CPU and GPU. It was a very unconventional design as was the PS3. Turns out that devs don't like that so they went with a more conventional setup for PS4. PS5 keeps the familiar APU setup from PS4 but has an all new I/O architecture that will lead to huge changes in game design with the ability to load all new geometry, textures, etc as fast as you can turn the camera.
cartman414
Member
We PC gamers dealt with install discs when you console gamers were in diapers, if not a twinkle in your momma's eyes. GTFO.
ManaByte
Member
Autoexec.bat and Config.sys would kill them.
01011001
Banned
U have a series x you need to online to activate your disc game. That's why my x box one x will be my last ms console ever.
this is only for Xbox One games since they need a config file so that the system knows how to handle it. this is not the case for Series X games
you either received bad info or you didn't read the info correctly
BUT people should bug Microsoft about this issue so that they implement an option to download all back compat configuration files in bulk for future use. that should be an option
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