I didn't say reskinned. But I'm pretty sure all these major engines started as commercial engines that have been so heavily modified to be different engines, because they compliment their target platform so well, once modified.
Imagine the great PR for the PS5 if they release this exact demo with the extra same quality settings and to see $2000+ PCs struggle.
I wonder at what point does the PS5 GPU becomes the bottleneck and not the SSD and IO.Nothing has changed and Tim Sweeney didn't lie.
Peoples mistake (myself included) was putting UE5 on too high of a pedestal when reality is it doesnt even scratch the surface of whats possible with PS5s I/O. PS5 can transfer/decompress 9gb/sec+ of data without any CPU/GPU overhead. We're just getn started fellas, strap yourselves in.
They already got a year of great PR from Tim Sweeney and the people that believed all of his bs last year. The fact that there are still a couple believers means it's still working for them.
A future PS5 Pro solves that issue. By the time Sony is ready to show something like that off, the PS5's incredible decompression capabilities will still be relevant. Base hardware storage performance, more than likely, won't be holding back far future titles. It's much easier at that point to beef up GPU, CPU, and RAM. Could be wrong on this take I guess but I think Sony made the right hardware choice by putting most of their eggs in that basket. If you're gonna "future proof" anything, it may as well be how developers are going to handle assets from storage to RAM.
Imagine they don’t because it would show the pc running better. Oh wait I don’t have to
It already is.
there's nothing to prove the PS5 have the less performant GPU between top nextgen console and is x times less performant than high end PC.Fans fell too early for cerny's words and tim's words (under payment)
At a specific resolution and framerate. The SSD just makes it better looking in motion without the need for a lot of RAM.
I don't think there will be PS5 Pro. Base PS5 is already powerful enough to last 7 years. And Sony won't waste millions in their RnD for designing PS5 pro which only cost $500 with the latest technology. We will get PS5 slim around 2023, and all that fancy 3D stacking technology will be in PS6.
Let them, Sony is not even competing with Microsoft in power war anyway.
No hate bro but I think you might be misunderstanding what they are talking about - I don’t know Jack shit about any of this but they are saying running the demo in the editor is not the same as the compiled version - meaning using the editor for this in any way is not the move because you are adding the editor running in addition to the demo
by the time it bottlenecks Sony will announce PS6.
You mean PS5 fans in here getting served so much crow that crow is an endangered species now
i was pointing to the fact that if in multiplats games xsx start to have consistently the best version could be a problem in the eyes of sony
By major which ones exactly are you talking about?
GuinGuin Still not as impressive as Forbidden West.
The proof is in the pudding Unreal Engine 5 isnt up to snuff.
It's entirely possible Sony won't make a Pro version. Although, I bet Sony wants to make sure as many PlayStation users don't fully migrate over to the PC as much as possible. One way to mitigate that would be having a powerful mid-cycle refresh. Microsoft doesn't care as much by comparison, considering you're still in their ecosystem regardless of platform. Sony doesn't have that luxury. A mid-cycle upgrade capable of full ray tracing at significantly higher framerates and resolution doesn't seem so far fetched.
You wont last long here NeoMember
There's only one way to prevent players from moving away from their platform or attract players from other platforms, Make more Exclusive games. You can't prevent or attract players by making mid-gen refresh consoles. Pc will have more powerful graphics cards by that time. Sony can't win in this department. There is no point in making new console. No matter how much they spend in RnD in designing new consoles.
Interpreting code on the fly is slower then running an executable. There is always more overhead, less memory, etc.
Prove it with quotes so we know who and what you are talking about in relation to the thread topic - Inside Unreal Engine 5's nanite.
That was also quite interesting in the video IMHO. The UE5 documentation discourages use of porous objects - like trees or hair that look like a solid from a distance, but don't fully occlude the geometry they are in front of, resulting in overdraw, which hits performance. They had already did an excellent job in explaining how the occlusion of nanite geometries worked and the overdraw heatmap, so when Brian suggested people should still try and benchmark a forest (IIRC) then what it really said, is that even the non-use cases are only non-use until someone finds a way to do them that doesn't "tank performance".
i know im going to be asking a noob question but i will ask anyways: isnt this when AMD's TressFX kicks in?
Yeah, along with some other cool features that aren't getting much coverage. They even joked about the pretty amazing 16K virtualised shadow maps technology that - at any other time without nanite in the mix - would be getting a lot of interest in how they make life easier for getting fast quality shadows.
Nanite requires static meshes. That's why they preferred rocks and statues in their scene over deforming foliage.
PCs aren't just random components from random companies getting slammed into a box; they all operate among standardized formats, APIs, physical and logical layers, etc. There's a reason computers have generally moved in massive waves forward in terms of bus standards, storage format support, general baseline processor types (what new computers are running on single-core, single-thread CPUs with no L2 cache?), etc.
I swear, some of you seem like they have this kind of stuff written down at the ready. It's always the dynamic this, constant movement and the tranversal.Is it some sort of template.
From what I understood, the nanite meshes aren't static as a limitation of the data structure, but because the time to convert traditional primitive geometry to nanite data is not real-time, and is very performance intensive - and is the main reason why a 12 core CPU is recommended, for the import conversion.
I agree that they need to keep pumping out great exclusive games in order to keep the base happy. No doubt. The point I'm making is that Sony doesn't have the luxury Microsoft has when it comes to players migrating away from its console. A mid-cycle refresh is not about having the most powerful device on the market but at least keeping up with current technology. PS4 Pro obviously hasn't outsold base PS4, but since its release it has represented one in every five PS4's sold. Sony considers it a success and has certainly helped keep the dedicated followers attention. In the years to come a PS5 Pro wouldn't be about replacing the base system but give an option for people that want more out of their PS5 games. They can probably sell one for profit pretty quickly considering Sony has stated how PS5 will be selling at cost this month.
Got it, it's just like the robots hand animation from their demo. Though it felt unnaturally stiff, maybe they'll improve things in the future.
haptics or stuff like this are completely subjective having higher res or fps mean being objectively technically superior. ps. the trend is reversing from some time now
you know a person could also not I've a fuck about the haptic on both Xbox and ps5 higher res and fps? don't think so.
You literally proved my point But alright.
