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Platform X (aka Sony) and their relationship with indies
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Dr Bass
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This is completely fake outrage.
I think I've spent too long on this board when I can easily tell what someone's, likely disingenuous, take is going to be on a topic. And I am not just talking about the poster I am quoting here.
In this case the people most concerned about this seems
These devs don't seem that bright. I would never criticize Apple if my iOS App Store app was bombing. It's up to you to do your own marketing and outreach. I don't think sales distributions paint the whole picture either. What are the actual numbers of sales? Are they mad at Sony AND Steam? It's all childish.
One OTHER possible takeaway is that Sony and PC gamers are spoiled for choice and don't care about shovel ware, while Xbox and Nintendo only gamers are starving for content. I'm not saying that's what is happening, but it is very easy to come up with different interpretations for the data other than "Sony bad." I mean, seriously, come on.
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bender
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There couldn't possibly be two sides to this story. Sony has some faults on getting games onto their platform I'm sure. But thinking every Indie game dev will be treated equally is foolish at best.
IntentionalPun
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lol wtf is going on, in this gif?
There couldn't possibly be two sides to this story. Sony has some faults on getting games onto their platform I'm sure. But thinking every Indie game dev will be treated equally is foolish at best.
bender
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Ass of Can Whooping
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IntentionalPun
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Whut a bunch of poosiesSony apologizing for the PS3 security breach.
ethomaz
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His crying is working like intended....
And the guy buying his game is probably supporting a new bad game from him to make the cash in the future.
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ethomaz
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I believe it was when they shutdown the PSN due security issues.... it was on PS3.
ethomaz
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Imagine having to develop a game to launch in Platform X.
It is too much working.
Evil Sony strikes again.
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bender
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Topher
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Fbh
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Some of it sounds valid to me. Specially in regard to obtuse systems and lack of feedback, I've had to deal with systems like that before and it sucks.
Like sales being invite only makes sense to me, but it sounds like they don't have clear guidelines for devs to know how to qualify (for example "sell at least X number of copies in the last Y number of months and have a user rating of at least Z")
A lot of other stuff sounds like entitled whining. It's your job to promote your product, Sony doesn't owe you free promotion just because you're an indie.
Besides, what does, for example, Nintendo do to promote games? I know they have their indie showcases but that doesn't come close to covering the tons of shovelware that gets released on the Eshop each week.
Like sales being invite only makes sense to me, but it sounds like they don't have clear guidelines for devs to know how to qualify (for example "sell at least X number of copies in the last Y number of months and have a user rating of at least Z")
A lot of other stuff sounds like entitled whining. It's your job to promote your product, Sony doesn't owe you free promotion just because you're an indie.
Besides, what does, for example, Nintendo do to promote games? I know they have their indie showcases but that doesn't come close to covering the tons of shovelware that gets released on the Eshop each week.
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Coloress_Kafka
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It’s been kind of obvious for awhile that Sony is really only concerned with high quality indie games and they don’t really care about building a platform for scrappy upstarts with good ideas.
Personally I don’t blame them, I was there when the App Store launched and saw lots of indies make some great titles, then the market got flooded with crap. Now you basically have to resort to buying Apple Arcade to get anything meaningful on iOS that isn’t F2P garbage. Let’s call a spade a spade, the Account Managers for Sony aren’t eager to help this guy because they have glanced at his work and aren’t impressed.
Maybe he should show Sony the piss jar under his desk like Johnathan Blow to show his dedication
Personally I don’t blame them, I was there when the App Store launched and saw lots of indies make some great titles, then the market got flooded with crap. Now you basically have to resort to buying Apple Arcade to get anything meaningful on iOS that isn’t F2P garbage. Let’s call a spade a spade, the Account Managers for Sony aren’t eager to help this guy because they have glanced at his work and aren’t impressed.
Maybe he should show Sony the piss jar under his desk like Johnathan Blow to show his dedication
bender
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Nintendo's store is a bit of a free-for-all. Devs can promote their games by putting them on sale every two months at massive discounts to try and game the top sellers charts.
I'm guessing Sony has one of the worst onboarding programs of any of the platform holders (Nintendo might rival them I guess) so those complaints are probably valid. It does sound like these developers have a major case of sour grapes. Their games seem to be middling at best and when platforms gets dozens of these a week, you aren't going to move product.
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Papacheeks
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Yea, but I also wonder if this depends on regular submission of a discussed deal with Sony? I feel this process may be this way for games that you know are a drop in the bucket? If the process was more streamlined would more indies that are making generic stuff like this guy is promoting be flooded into the store? Because I feel these are in place for joe schmo submission to weed out generic stuff liek Black tiger?
I mean if Im wrong be nice to see a higher profile indie developer say something about the process if its easy and good. Because I remember tons of interviews with profile indies talking nothing but praise about PSN.
This is enlightening though: https://www.pushsquare.com/news/202...rates_how_bad_ps_store_discoverability_can_be
PS5 "Is A Hit" With The Indie Games Developers
PS5 indie games developers love what the console can do. According to PlayStation Magazine Editor, the console is a huge hit among indie devs they spoke to.
respawnfirst.com
But it does seem like because of the sheer volume of developers available now that it makes it hard for indies to shine. Maybe a seperate store all together that links to PSN but is a seperate tab on your PS4/PS5 store icon on main home?
onesvenus
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You, being as smart as you are, could have read the edit where I said I added the links later.
I know it's easier to make fun of posters than to defend this shit
bender
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This is enlightening though: https://www.pushsquare.com/news/202...rates_how_bad_ps_store_discoverability_can_be
PS5 "Is A Hit" With The Indie Games Developers
PS5 indie games developers love what the console can do. According to PlayStation Magazine Editor, the console is a huge hit among indie devs they spoke to.
But it does seem like because of the sheer volume of developers available now that it makes it hard for indies to shine. Maybe a seperate store all together that links to PSN but is a seperate tab on your PS4/PS5 store icon on main home?
PS5's store is probably a little easier to find new releases as the redesign is fairly bare bones. Descenders is a really cool game btw.
Papacheeks
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I'll check it out, sounds good.
bender
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It is available on Gamepass if you have it.
Papacheeks
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Gamepass on PC is pure trash I cant be paid to go back and use it. Ill pick it up on steam.
Fbh
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I see.
Though I have to say, as a consumer I kinda prefer more controlled sales. I remember seeing games being basically permanently on the Eshop sales page.
Not only did it make it harder to find sales for good games. But IMO it pretty much amounts to fake advertising, because if your game is always on sale it's actually never on sale.
Elder Legend
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Nice try Elli, you probably don't even own a PS5 like I do =D
nice try halo
Saber
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As a liker and fan of indies myself, I can't really side with them.
Quality of the indies I got recently are poor. Like, some don't even put effort on the music side(quite frankly, we reach a point devs are either becoming way too lazy on the music side or don't even care to begin with), while others have good ideas but terrible applications. Most of my recent indies I would grade something between 5~6, and thats because I'm being nice.
Not trying to be harsh or something, but you guys should try harder before trying to be the victins.
Quality of the indies I got recently are poor. Like, some don't even put effort on the music side(quite frankly, we reach a point devs are either becoming way too lazy on the music side or don't even care to begin with), while others have good ideas but terrible applications. Most of my recent indies I would grade something between 5~6, and thats because I'm being nice.
Not trying to be harsh or something, but you guys should try harder before trying to be the victins.
SoloKingRobert
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Plays nothing like Mario. You're saying the Assets looks like Mario? That's nearly every 2d platform game then...
Not arguing that some of the complaints are stupid or part and parcel of being a app within the app store. Just saying that he raised legitimate complaints and the way that he has raised it (via twitter) is probably the most efficient way to do so.
IntentionalPun
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Have you played the original SMB? This game, or at least that scene, is clearly at least an homage to the original.. hammer throwers and all lol
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Panajev2001a
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Incoming poll: “are you still going to buy a PS5 or considering GamePass thanks to Id@Xbox?”. I like the pattern…
Sony is still spending energies to get great indies onboard, but sure not as much as late PS3 and early PS4 days sure.
Sony is still spending energies to get great indies onboard, but sure not as much as late PS3 and early PS4 days sure.
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Interfectum
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What is it with indie devs and their fucking whining?
ArtemisClydeFrog
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His game is shit, isn't it
hemo memo
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PlayStation is at a fucked up place.
The definition of awful management: The Thread
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hemo memo
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The biggest game on the planet is indie dude. What the fuck are you talking about?
we only care about blockbusters, i don't know who these people are and don't care enough to google their games
The defense is reaching an embarrassing levels.
ManaByte
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Indies criticize Sony over discount policies, poor communication, more
This morning, Neon Doctrine co-founder Iain Garner posted a Twitter thread about Platform X, which he did not name but …
www.gamesindustry.biz
Blond
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Can I just say it’s funny reading this because Platform X has enough games that indies never crossed my mind. The one I did buy, Dead Cells, was just so meh.
we only care about blockbusters, i don't know who these people are and don't care enough to google their games
SlimeGooGoo
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Now just stop making cinematic walking simulators and I'll go back to you,
Now just stop making cinematic walking simulators and I'll go back to you,
hemo memo
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What is it with Platform X and their awful policies?
Shu`s the one leading the indie department, if there`s a problem with indies having access to PS platform it would be his fault lmao.Poor Yoshida has been thrown into the gutter. Andrew House no longer thereSony's new face is absolutely horrendous. I miss the Shawn Layden and Andrew House days and when Shu was leader of the Worldwide Studios. Garbage management. P.S. Fuck Jim Ryan, lying sack of shit.
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